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#31 BigRedMachine

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:23 AM

There was an interview with Edler before the start of this season. He was asked about his off-season back surgery and how he felt about his ability to play this season. He was candid about his back saying that he thinks it's only 90% of what it was before the injury. He came across in the interview that he felt that his back may never get back to 100% normal.


That's really too bad. The guy is a beast when he's on his game.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:57 AM

I don't think he's used to being the main guy. As others have mentioned before, when we had salo or ehrhoff all the focus was on his partner and he was allowed to just play his game. He's now being called on being the go to guy, which is deserving with his contract extension. He's over thinking and making bad plays game in and game out that cost us.

Look at last night on the first goal. Instead of shooting the puck into the corner which would be the safe play, he backhands it right into the slot on desjardins stick and guess what is costs us the first goal. Didn't need to happen. He's just not thinking and trying to do to much. He's been our biggest defensive liability this year.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:21 AM

What you're seeing is reality. Edler has terrible lateral movement. He has no speed in any direction, definitely one of the slowest defenders in the league, and he constantly gets beat on the outside.

In addition to that he has to be one of the least intelligent players around. When you watch him he has no clue. As others mentioned he no hand eye coordination to keep the puck in at the line (his play there is horrendous). He also has no idea when to attempt this and when to let the opposing forward just blow by him for a breakaway or two on one. The way I see him play defence is that he in constant terror when the other team has the puck. His best move is to skate backwards, put his body in the general oppositon path and hope his big body makes them play it somewhere else. If someone challenges him one of one it is up to another Canuck to bail him out. God forbid the team starts to get out of postion a bit, if this happens when Edler is on the ice you can't rely on him to make any decisions on the fly or as part of a cohesive unit. Soon after that odd man situations are created, Edler is out of postion, and the puck is in the back of the net.

He should be traded to the Flyers or Detroit immediately for Couturier or Helm if possible.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

Maybe he is playing hurt? Bad back still?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:47 AM

agree with the injury cause.

he certainly isn't the player we used to see, but he is still young.

the year after a major surgery a player will NOT play normally, even though they are "recovered". Seen it so many times, it is almost 100%.

Players who are going to play like themselves this year, you could have marked them down before the puck dropped: Kesler and Edler. I expect them to be better next year, after another summer off. Confidence returns, the injuries actually heal fully. They will not be difference makers this year (at least on our side of the puck ;)
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:55 AM

Maybe he is having relationship problems??????


Maybe he should stop buying exotic cars and start focusing on getting better as hockey player.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:01 AM

He has no awareness of where the puck is when its within 3 feet of him. Once the puck reaches between the blade of his stick and his body, he's hopeless.

I dont know whether he is unable to look down, or just has really really bad spatial awareness, but its annoying.

Also, he stops behind the net completely killing our momentum WAY too often. He skates out really slow, I think he's trying to "slow down the play" but really he's just holding the puck too long and by the time he passes everyone's at the line and has no momentum left.

The plus side is he has a great shot, and has accurate passes when he decides to finally get them off.

If he could get the puck on his stick and off his stick faster, he would be much better.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:41 AM

Mobility and sharpness/strength of his passes (resulting in turn-overs).

Both these suggest to me back or rib injury. He is starting to look far better lately, though, which would also support recovering from something.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:57 AM

He has been useless since he sign his new contract. Making way to many mistakes. For a top 4 defenseman. I would trade him.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:20 AM

I would also cut our losses and trade Edler before his NTC kicks in. He clearly isn't motivated here anymore.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:42 AM

I see him playing with a hurt back. He used to be a beast now he never hits and it looks like its effecting his skating too.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:45 AM

for me, two things........Sami Salo gone and he does not look 100% physically to me
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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:19 PM

What you're seeing is reality. Edler has terrible lateral movement. He has no speed in any direction, definitely one of the slowest defenders in the league, and he constantly gets beat on the outside.

In addition to that he has to be one of the least intelligent players around. When you watch him he has no clue. As others mentioned he no hand eye coordination to keep the puck in at the line (his play there is horrendous). He also has no idea when to attempt this and when to let the opposing forward just blow by him for a breakaway or two on one. The way I see him play defence is that he in constant terror when the other team has the puck. His best move is to skate backwards, put his body in the general oppositon path and hope his big body makes them play it somewhere else. If someone challenges him one of one it is up to another Canuck to bail him out. God forbid the team starts to get out of postion a bit, if this happens when Edler is on the ice you can't rely on him to make any decisions on the fly or as part of a cohesive unit. Soon after that odd man situations are created, Edler is out of postion, and the puck is in the back of the net.

He should be traded to the Flyers or Detroit immediately for Couturier or Helm if possible.


Agree... there have been a few of us who have talked about this for a couple of seasons but we usually get blasted with " he's young, he will get better" or " but look at his points" . I find it funny how players like Ehrhoff get bashed with " he's lucky that he played with the Sedins" yet people think Edler is a point machine from his own talent. Take him off the twins PP unit and he would be a 25 point D-man
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:31 PM

Edler is playing like crap. Not the potential Norris trophy candidate as advertised.

He is coming off back surgery, maybe he needs some time?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:33 PM

Agree... there have been a few of us who have talked about this for a couple of seasons but we usually get blasted with " he's young, he will get better" or " but look at his points" . I find it funny how players like Ehrhoff get bashed with " he's lucky that he played with the Sedins" yet people think Edler is a point machine from his own talent. Take him off the twins PP unit and he would be a 25 point D-man


Edler is a 6 dressed up as a 9.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:44 PM

I tend to think he's hurt also but it looks like he's not interested.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:01 PM

What I look like when I see Edler on the ice;



















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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Has to be injured. I haven't been happy with his play this season and we have all seen him be a lot better than this (even if it hasn't been consistant). Not ready to sell the farm on Edler yet though, let's call this season growing pains of him adjusting to life without Mr. Salo and a nagging back injury probably doesn't help a lot either.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:24 PM

He plays like he hurts. Intervertebral Disk Herniation (IVDH) is severely painful. Surgery helps but doeds not eliminate the problem. He will never be pain free...sometimes he will barely be able to tie his shoes. He plays like is concerned about worsening the IVDH and needing a second (or more)surgery. Repeated surgery has its own set of problems. If he keeps injuring his back, it will end his career and severely impact his quality of life. To me, he plays like he suffers from his back problem and is well informed about what could happen. I have had the same surgery he has had twice. I can't even imagine how he can play NHL level hockey after that. I love the dude...he had a lot of potential but now hes broken.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

Edler has been not playing anywhere near his potential. His shot from the point is still fearsome. An injured player can't shoot that well.

In his own zone? Almost non-existent.

The defence is the biggest issue with this team. The present defence corps aren't going to cut it in the playoffs and Edler is a major reason. We all know how physical other teams like to play us. That means all our players have to give it back. Edler and Hamhuis are way off their game and aren't giving a strong net presence at all. Edler usually ends up screening whomever's in net, and Hamhuis has been caught doing an uncharacteristic imitation of a pylon.

If Edler is playing injured that would be a travesty and would bring into question the organization, but I think Edler is lazy. He has shown the potential in previous years but now can barely muster one good performance every three games.

I don't have a bone to pick with Edler at all. I was against his suspension.

He is the most glaringly unperforming player on the team at this point. His miscues and gaffes have guaranteed him a -3 statiscally. He is on the ice for a lot of goals against. Five goals in 34 games?

I don't know of a single team that went deep in the playoffs with their best defenceman not playing strong defence. I'd like to think we could go far, but not leaning on a goaltender to stand on his head for a full 60 minutes.

The options change once Edler's NTC begins in July.


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His inconsistency in being able to move the puck out of the zone when pressured is what really worries me most - weak clearing attempts behind the net and along the sideboards are especially concerning. His physicality is lacking. His decision-making abilities seem diminished. He's hesitant to shoot the puck. All this has been going on since last season, and yet he was still signed to a big contract and can't seem to perform to that value. Its very concerning.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

IVDH - Incapable & Very Defensively Horrific?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

I'm seeing a guy that ALWAYS seems to be playing through injury. He always seems unmotivated and rarely uses his body (checking) talent. He consistently plays odd man rushes wrong and can't seem to do the right thing along the boards. I think his work ethic is crap... he needs to watch Hansen or Higgins play on tape and see what trying REALLY requires.

I can't count how many times I hear AV hates Ballard as he gives the puck away to much ... yet I watch EVERY game and rarely see that, while Elder never gets benched and is WAYYYY worse for many years now.

Then, out of the blue, he'll have one great game! Level a few players and score an odd goal and all of a sudden everyone forgives him. I wouldn't trade him as he still has huge potential and can step it up at will it seems, but I would definitely bench him for a few games to let him ponder he lack of effort.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:55 PM

What you're seeing is reality. Edler has terrible lateral movement. He has no speed in any direction, definitely one of the slowest defenders in the league, and he constantly gets beat on the outside.

In addition to that he has to be one of the least intelligent players around. When you watch him he has no clue. As others mentioned he no hand eye coordination to keep the puck in at the line (his play there is horrendous). He also has no idea when to attempt this and when to let the opposing forward just blow by him for a breakaway or two on one. The way I see him play defence is that he in constant terror when the other team has the puck. His best move is to skate backwards, put his body in the general oppositon path and hope his big body makes them play it somewhere else. If someone challenges him one of one it is up to another Canuck to bail him out. God forbid the team starts to get out of postion a bit, if this happens when Edler is on the ice you can't rely on him to make any decisions on the fly or as part of a cohesive unit. Soon after that odd man situations are created, Edler is out of postion, and the puck is in the back of the net.



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

Maybe there's something with him and Scotty's ex-wife. Wow, she definitely upgraded on looks...
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

Apparently he is out a lot in the Van night scene, it's just from what I've heard and I would take it with a grain of salt. But it would explain his laziness in most games.

Otherwise when I watch him play, he just seems like he's skating in mud and I don't know whether it's to do with him not willing to put in the effort, or if his back isn't 100%. I would go with the latter. He easily allows any opposing players without much of a fight to go right past him and that eventually creates odd-man rushes. Like many have said, he mainly seems unmotivated out there, but I don't believe he should be the only one pointed out for that as you could say that for more than half the team right now.

Expect him to get eaten alive in the play-offs if his play doesn't change soon. Or to be traded in a year or two.

I believe we should be a little more patient with him to see if he can live up to his potential in the slightest, I still have faith in him. Just seems like a rough season, although it wasn't that much better last season. We need to wait until he's absolutely 100% again.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

Read the thread first.

I'd like to know people's thoughts on Edler's play of late. This isn't a place to insult Edler. There's been plenty of examples of a player getting criticized here then turning their game around.

I'd like to know what people have been seeing from him on the ice and add their opinion on that.

For me, I've been seeing Edler look unmotivated. He appeared to skate leisurely to the puck with less than a minute left while trailing for the icing, and the last shoot didn't seem to give the team a chance to generate anything.


He's been sub-par the last few weeks. At least he usually he is providing an offensive push.

I think the lackadaisical play is just his style. He's calm, so it always looks like he is playing kind of unmotivated. The Edler-Bieksa pairing is also a little worrisome defensively.

Really, the problem is he needs a solid, consistent partner. Ehrhoff paired with him well in an offensive role. Salo was his safety net last season. Now he has no one. Bieksa and Edler don't mesh, they haven't wanted to use Tanev with with, and Hamhuis-Garrison seem to be the new shutdown pair.

Gillis should try to look for a solid right-hander to partner with Edler at the deadline.

EDIT: Some posters mentioned he is playing differently because of back surgery, and the surgery has significantly impacted him. This is probably true, and I believe management and Edler both admitted that it won't ever be 100% again.

Edited by bossram, 02 April 2013 - 06:19 PM.

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