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#61 wallstreetamigo

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:23 AM

Posted in a thread about a guy he traded for.


Ya, two years ago wasn't it?

Pahlsson (you know the same Pahlsson who sounded pissed about even being traded here)
Hodgson for Kassian

In two years?

Plus Ballard, Luongo, etc. sitting here eating cap space an not playing when the team needs obvious help?

Wow ya don't work the phones too hard there Gillis.

Honestly, someone mentioned him waiting for the right trade........there is an old saying in business. I am paraphrasing a bit here but something along the lines of a good opportunity today is often better than waiting for the perfect opportunity tomorrow. My old advanced economics professor would have described Gillis' trading "patience" as the definition of opportunity cost.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:26 AM

I really hope Gillis proves me wrong......
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:27 AM

Ya, two years ago wasn't it?

Pahlsson (you know the same Pahlsson who sounded pissed about even being traded here)
Hodgson for Kassian

In two years?

Plus Ballard, Luongo, etc. sitting here eating cap space an not playing when the team needs obvious help?

Wow ya don't work the phones too hard there Gillis.

Honestly, someone mentioned him waiting for the right trade........there is an old saying in business. I am paraphrasing a bit here but something along the lines of a good opportunity today is often better than waiting for the perfect opportunity tomorrow. My old advanced economics professor would have described Gillis' trading "patience" as the definition of opportunity cost.


Agree completely with most of this, I am a huge fan of what MG has done in the UFA market but all of his trades, spare Ehrhoff and Higgins haven't panned our for us. Without adding a top-9 upgrade and an offensive dman this deadline will be a failure.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:28 AM

I really hope Gillis proves me wrong......



I think we all hope you are wrong, as I am sure you do too.

Just as I hope my suggestion that this may actually increase the likelihood Higgins gets moved is wrong too.

We all want to see a change.... one we can really hope for. Does Obama play hockey? :lol:
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

That's nice and all but I hope we add something in the next 24+ hours or we're gonna have a hell of a time making another playoff run.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:30 AM

Ya, two years ago wasn't it?

Pahlsson (you know the same Pahlsson who sounded pissed about even being traded here)
Hodgson for Kassian

In two years?

Plus Ballard, Luongo, etc. sitting here eating cap space an not playing when the team needs obvious help?

Wow ya don't work the phones too hard there Gillis.

Honestly, someone mentioned him waiting for the right trade........there is an old saying in business. I am paraphrasing a bit here but something along the lines of a good opportunity today is often better than waiting for the perfect opportunity tomorrow. My old advanced economics professor would have described Gillis' trading "patience" as the definition of opportunity cost.


Who says there was a good opportunity to begin with?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:30 AM

This re-signing preety much ends Raymonds time here. Jensen looked really good and nhl ready on his debut, he could replace Raymond next year.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Jensen - Kesler - Kassian
Hggins - _____ - Hansen
Sestito - Lappiere - Weise


What game were you watching? Jensen was almost invisible, as was a good portion of our team... I recall him making one good defensive play to deflect a pass, and that's about it. Jensen could very well be NHL-ready next season, who knows. But I wouldn't say "Jensen's gonna replace Raymond" based off of one game.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

Does Obama play hockey? :lol:


Only when he needs to get the hockey vote.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:33 AM

Hmm, great point.

This could definitely something we see more in the future, can't really see it in this case but who knows? I honestly expect us to make at least two deals that will have an impact on our team


I actually think we will see more of this in the 'new' NHL.

There might be a couple of them tomorrow or Wednesday but there might be a few of them before July 1st.

If the player.... especially.... knows which team he is being dealt to then why not negotiate with the GM you already know rather than taking a chance on a new dynamic? Also, from a player's perspective, once the ink is dry you will know that the team trading for you actually really wants you. Having the LNTC just gives you a little more meat on the bones.

And to answer your earlier question, the Sens signed and traded Hossa on 08/23/05

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:36 AM

Only when he needs to get the hockey vote.


Yeah, I have about the same vote of confidence in MG right about now.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:37 AM

Who says there was a good opportunity to begin with?


That is the funny thing about "opportunity". If everyone offers you a similar opportunity over a long period of time, that is as good as it will likely get. At that point the issue is not with the opportunity itself but with your perception of it.

So in terms of a trade, you really believe that there has been no "good" opportunity ever presented for Luongo, Ballard, etc. that would have made our team better, improved our cap situation, filled holes in our roster, etc.?

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

What young talent?? :shock:


Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder? Gaunce in a few years?
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:40 AM

That is the funny thing about "opportunity". If everyone offers you a similar opportunity over a long period of time, that is as good as it will likely get. At that point the issue is not with the opportunity itself but with your perception of it.

So in terms of a trade, you really believe that there has been no "good" opportunity ever presented for any Canuck player that would have made our team better, improved our cap situation, filled holes in our roster, etc.?


What did Rush say?

"Even if you chose not to decide you still have made a choice?"

/ Although I think the Taoist's put it best.... Wu-Wei. Action through inaction.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:46 AM

I actually think we will see more of this in the 'new' NHL.

There might be a couple of them tomorrow or Wednesday but there might be a few of them before July 1st.

If the player.... especially.... knows which team he is being dealt to then why not negotiate with the GM you already know rather than taking a chance on a new dynamic? Also, from a player's perspective, once the ink is dry you will know that the team trading for you actually really wants you. Having the LNTC just gives you a little more meat on the bones.

And to answer your earlier question, the Sens signed and traded Hossa on 08/23/05


It is definitely an interesting option for teams considering all the changes in the CBA, it may be even more intriguing for players like you've stated as guys want a sense of security. It seems lately teams would rather trade for guys with no term on the contract oppopsed to having guys that are locked up. I think this will change after teams start to get more of a feel of how the new CBA will work.

Ah interesting, thanks man.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:17 AM

I would be quite devastated if it was a sign and trade. Higgins deserves to be on this team if he wants to. Great player.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:19 AM

I would be quite devastated if it was a sign and trade. Higgins deserves to be on this team if he wants to. Great player.


Deserves?

It's a business bud, if we could by chance improve our team by signing and trading Higgins I'd expect us to do it.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:26 AM

Deserves?

It's a business bud, if we could by chance improve our team by signing and trading Higgins I'd expect us to do it.


MG: "Ya Shero, what do you want?"

Shero: "Higgins......and I only want to give up Crosby and his busted chiklets."

MG: "Sorry Ray, no can do. He deserves to be on our team. And that NTC thing gives him the right to say no to Pittsburgh."

Shero: "I understand Mike. Look, I have to go, I am going to go pick up Iginla for a song."

MG: "No problem, maybe we can talk again in the summer."

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:31 AM

MG: "Ya Shero, what do you want?"

Shero: "Higgins......and I only want to give up Crosby and his busted chiklets."

MG: "Sorry Ray, no can do. He deserves to be on our team. And that NTC thing gives him the right to say no to Pittsburgh."

Shero: "I understand Mike. Look, I have to go, I am going to go pick up Iginla for a song."

MG: "No problem, maybe we can talk again in the summer."


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:32 AM

What did Rush say?

"Even if you chose not to decide you still have made a choice?"

/ Although I think the Taoist's put it best.... Wu-Wei. Action through inaction.


Gillis needs this written on his forehead.......actually we should tattoo it so it doesn't sweat right off.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

Good price, bad term. LNTC ain't too big of a deal, but this has potential to screw us just because of the term and a small probability of screwing us with the NTC. Hate to bring the negativity, but Gillis doesn't seem to have a fantastic track record when it comes to signing deals. You could argue good deals for Sedins and Burr, but something tells me those are gimmes. All 3 of those players are extremely humble and love the city of Vancouver. Not too hard of a sell for GMMG.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:41 AM

Higgins can be replaced via UFA for cheaper. Bad $ and bad term, again. And an NTC on top of that, even if its limitied it's non sense.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:38 AM

i dont mind the term, but if we are giving him 4 years, and a limited ntc i would have hoped for a cap hit of 2m per or maybe even a little less. But I will take Higgins at 2.5m over david jones at 4m anyday of the week
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:09 AM

Good deal I like it.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:14 AM

His game will probably tail off after next season - 4 years will be brutal and hurt this club badly.

2 year deal max.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:16 AM

Higgins can be replaced via UFA for cheaper. Bad $ and bad term, again. And an NTC on top of that, even if its limitied it's non sense.


replaced via UFA? for cheaper? the UFA for forwards this year is going to be brutal. especially for 3rd line C. Cooke and Torres would be the only ones that come to mind.

2.5 for a 3rd line winger is ok.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:24 AM

Eff the haters, I'd be happy if Higgy got 5 years.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:35 AM

I am aware what a limited NTC is. My point is that the player being able to limit the trading partners ALWAYS means more when the time that you want to trade the guy comes. Higgins is not a guy you give a NTC of any kind to imo.

For all you guys saying it is not a big deal, you need to re-think that. The market for trading players is small enough in a cap environment.


I agree 100%. Yet another NTC, or LNTC handed out is absolutely ridiculous. Especially to a 3rd line player when we are deprived of skill up front, no matter what MG believes he brings to the table. Never give guys like that NTC's. It's turning into a country club. This team is going to be incapable of making a single move in a couple years time. 4 years is also a bit long.

I have to think Raymond is gone in this case. If MG doesn't trade him at the dealine here for something tangible I think my acceptance of his tenure will turn sour.

Dammit, I will have to move out of Calgary in a couple years or at least change my friends so they can't repay all the laughing I did at them as they struggled through NTC's on a team with no talent. Hmmmm, it doesn't look good.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

A versatile player like Higgins will always be in demand, especially at 2.5 mil. I'm not worried in the slightest.

And I'm sure Gillis could find a trade out of 10 teams if it came down to it.


Yeah but this versatility is killing us. This pretty much guarantees were going to see Higgins spread all over the top 6 again for the next four years. Where does Kassian play, where does Jensen play, where does the talented goalscoring difference maker play that MG should be bringing in instead of signing Higgins and Raymond for $5 plus. We already have Hansen who provides great play on the third line.

MG would rather have 3rd line depth than proper second line options. I'm not happy with the continued mediocrity.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:55 AM

Hopefully this gets officially announced soon..... Really like this signing.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:01 AM

I wonder if Lapierre will be getting an extension shortly after. He has pretty much done exactly what AV has asked of him, even more so with the loss of Manny..
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