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#241 oldnews

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

You and your laughable advanced stats.


You just talked me out of them. Very incisive.
Convincing.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:37 PM

You and your laughable advanced stats.


You and your negativity.

Thats some good research he did in that post, and i appreciate being able to read it.

Corsi is a great measure of a players effectiveness without seeing him play... If u watched any games you could BLATANTLY see that leading up to his most recent injury, Booth was one of our best players.

It was just a matter of time before they started going in.. He is a great linemate with Kassian too. Would also work with the twins, very versatile IMO.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:39 PM

You and your negativity.

Thats some good research he did in that post, and i appreciate being able to read it.

Corsi is a great measure of a players effectiveness without seeing him play... If u watched any games you could BLATANTLY see that leading up to his most recent injury, Booth was one of our best players.

It was just a matter of time before they started going in.. He is a great linemate with Kassian too. Would also work with the twins, very versatile IMO.


Where was I negative? Believing that Clowe is better than Booth is common sense, not negativity. All I'm saying is most advanced stats are absolutely ridiculous.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

I disagree. He's currently a 4 million cap hit, his production has been steady - I don't see a case for commanding 5 or 6 million - and the cap is dropping 6 million, which will likely result in more sensible market values, not crazy-ass FA signings like last year.
There will be a lot of contracts on the market for giveaway prices. People have speculated about what Roy wants - I'd like to hear a source who is actually qualified to speak for him.


Lol. He signed his extension in 2007 for 6 years at 4m. A overall steal for Buffalo. Look what he has accomplished in those 6 years.


81 pts in 78gp
70 pts in 82gp
69 pts in 80gp
35 pts in 35gp
44 pts in 70gp
22 pts in 30gp

321 pts in 375 games.

A .86 ptspg centerman.

Thats a 70 point centerman.

Lets say hes declined a bit. He's 29, turning 30.

60 point centerman.

In what universe would he not command 5m +?

Even with the cap down, Getzlaf and Perry sign for 8.6m.

Roy will be coveted by many teams if he hits FA.

Anaheim, Calgary, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Islanders, New Jersey, Florida, Ottawa, Minnesota, Toronto, Phoenix, Winnipeg could all use centers.


Anaheim needs someone behind Getzlaf.
Calgary is dumb, and might sign him.
Chicago needs a 2nd line C.
Columbus could use a centerman for Gaborik.
Detroit could use a centerman and put Zetterberg on the wing.
Islanders could use a centerman to give JT support.
New Jersey needs a centerman for Kovalchuk.
Florida needs a centerman for Huberdeau.
Ottawa could use some C depth behind Spezza.
Minnesota may need a 2nd line C if Granlund isn't ready.
Toronto may need a C to play with Kessel.
Phoenix could use a legitmate offensive centerman
Winnipeg needs a legitmate C for Kane.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

CDC homerism.

Booth and Kassian are as good as Clowe!

Try trading a healthy Booth on the last year of his deal for what Clowe got.


This.

Obviously when we lose out on Clowe, Canucks fan make themselves believe that the player they already have is a better option. I'd take Clowe in a heartbeat over Booth. Clowe is a constant 50+ point player while being tough and physical. Booth has cracked 60 once, and yes I know he was on Florida while Clowe was on a powerhouse San Jose.

Comparing player to player, I'd take Clowe over Booth any day. Clowe is more of a presence on the ice. I'd take a big power forward who can score, hit, pass and fight rather than a hybrid power forward in David Booth.

Since arriving in Vancouver, what has David Booth shown Canucks fans that they believe he is better than Clowe. Booth has played a total of 68 games out of a possible 118 in Vancouver and that is not nearly enough to assess him.

Stop being homers and look at reality. We do not have the best options in every category like homers think we do.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:42 PM

Clowe: 424gp - 103g/171a/274pts .65 career ptspg
Booth: 377gp - 104g/95a/199pts .53 career ptspg

Clowe Playoffs: 68gp - 18g/27a/45pts
Booth Playoffs: 5gp - 0g/1a/1pt

Booth was playing top line minutes in Florida.

Clowe is a proven playoff performer and offensive producer. He is a true PWF. Hits tell half the story. He stands up for his team-mates, he fights, hes a leader.

Booth plays for Vancouver now, a team comparable to San Jose offensively. What has he done?

68gp: 17g/15a/32pts

38 point pace.

Booth is a speedy winger with size. (or bulk? muscle? 6'0 212)
Clowe is an oldschool powerforward. (6'2 225)

Ask anyone not a Canucks fan, and they take Clowe AINEC.


Booth last year for the Canucks.16 goals, 13 assists, 56 games, 46 point pace.
Clowe last year, 17, 28, 45 points

Both having dismal, injury riddled seasons this year.

I don't ask fans who they would take - I don't find fans opinions the best indicator of a player's value. I think for myself.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:47 PM

Booth last year for the Canucks.16 goals, 13 assists, 56 games, 46 point pace.
Clowe last year, 17, 28, 45 points

Both having dismal, injury riddled seasons this year.

I don't ask fans who they would take - I don't find fans opinions the best indicator of a player's value. I think for myself.


But even thinking incredibly hard when your opinion is ridiculous doesn't make it right.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:48 PM

David Booth hasn't got more than 40 pts in a season since his concussion. Ryane Clowe's worst season since 2008 is getting 45 points. Clowe is bigger, stronger, more willing to drop the gloves and stick up for his team, less injury prone and better offensively in terms of point-per-game as opposed to Booth. The similarities aren't even close.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:50 PM

Lol. He signed his extension in 2007 for 6 years at 4m. A overall steal for Buffalo. Look what he has accomplished in those 6 years.


81 pts in 78gp
70 pts in 82gp
69 pts in 80gp
35 pts in 35gp
44 pts in 70gp
22 pts in 30gp

321 pts in 375 games.

A .86 ptspg centerman.

Thats a 70 point centerman.

Lets say hes declined a bit. He's 29, turning 30.

60 point centerman.

In what universe would he not command 5m +?

Even with the cap down, Getzlaf and Perry sign for 8.6m.

Roy will be coveted by many teams if he hits FA.

Anaheim, Calgary, Chicago, Columbus, Detroit, Islanders, New Jersey, Florida, Ottawa, Minnesota, Toronto, Phoenix, Winnipeg could all use centers.


He was a 60 point center as a sophomore.

In this universe a 73,75 point Selke makes 5 million.
The cap is dropping, and the guy may decide he wants to stick around.... Who knows?
If he goes to the outside universe, yes, he will probably find a taker quite easily. I'm guessing Feaster would offer him 6 million - if he wants to play in Calgary The good teams in the NHL however will have a hard time making the cap, let alone going out and buying 6 million dollar centers. We'll see. I can't speak for Roy - which was my point - people don't really know what he wants or expects.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:52 PM

He was a 60 point center as a sophomore.

In this universe a 73,75 point Selke makes 5 million.
The cap is dropping, and the guy may decide he wants to stick around.... Who knows?
If he goes to the outside universe, yes, he will probably find a taker quite easily. I'm guessing Feaster would offer him 6 million - if he wants to play in Calgary The good teams in the NHL however will have a hard time making the cap, let alone going out and buying 6 million dollar centers. We'll see. I can't speak for Roy - which was my point - people don't really know what he wants or expects.


Roy will be getting 5+ million easily, don't kid yourself.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

David Booth hasn't got more than 40 pts in a season since his concussion. Ryane Clowe's worst season since 2008 is getting 45 points. Clowe is bigger, stronger, more willing to drop the gloves and stick up for his team, less injury prone and better offensively in terms of point-per-game as opposed to Booth. The similarities aren't even close.


That would be all of....one full seaon.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

Booth last year for the Canucks.16 goals, 13 assists, 56 games, 46 point pace.
Clowe last year, 17, 28, 45 points

Both having dismal, injury riddled seasons this year.

I don't ask fans who they would take - I don't find fans opinions the best indicator of a player's value. I think for myself.



Pace, pace, pace.

Kadri is on pace for 89 pts.

Lets say Booth and Clowe bring the same offense. What Clowe also offers is much superior too Booth.

Bigger body (6'2 225 vs 6'0 212)
Stands up for teammates (Would stick up for the Sedins, can actually fight)
Mean streak (Do people fear David Booth when hes on the ice?)
Playoff performer / experience (Booth has 5 games exp. Clowe nearly has a seasons worth of playoff exp + great numbers)
Leader (Wore the A in San Jose. Lots of reports indicate he was a leader in the lockeroom)
Better offensive totals (which means he would transition nicely into Vancouver)
Canadian (for the lulz)

Booth offers
Speed (have enough of that)
Shoot first mentality (enough of that...)
Initiates body
Strong forechecker

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:54 PM

That would be all of....one full seaon.

That's the point. The guy is injury prone. Would much rather have a guy like Clowe who actually plays the games. Booth hasn't looked the same since that hit from Richards. It's okay to be a homer but at least be good at it.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

But even thinking incredibly hard when your opinion is ridiculous doesn't make it right.


Again gaydar, your hockey arguments are riveting.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

Pace, pace, pace.

Kadri is on pace for 89 pts.

Lets say Booth and Clowe bring the same offense. What Clowe also offers is much superior too Booth.

Bigger body (6'2 225 vs 6'0 212)
Stands up for teammates (Would stick up for the Sedins, can actually fight)
Mean streak (Do people fear David Booth when hes on the ice?)
Playoff performer / experience (Booth has 5 games exp. Clowe nearly has a seasons worth of playoff exp + great numbers)
Leader (Wore the A in San Jose. Lots of reports indicate he was a leader in the lockeroom)
Better offensive totals (which means he would transition nicely into Vancouver)
Canadian (for the lulz)


But Booth is fast, super super speedy.
And he's great with a bow.
And he has faith that he can win and tweets awesome gibberish.
And he's American (uh, forget that one)
And he hasn't had the chance to play in a whole lot of playoff games, but he also hasn't been a part of one of the NHL premiere playoff choker-franchise.

See, even in the intangibles, he's kinda comparable.


p.s. Kadri is better than Kane. :bigblush:

Edited by oldnews, 03 April 2013 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:59 PM

Best of all, he looks like the Greatest American Hero

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thanks to theminister for this...

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:05 PM

Ok folks, so you can all go on doing whatever you want to call this: I'll describe it politely as lamenting that Clowe didn't choose us.

I look at it this way - Garrison is better than Schultz.

Goodnight.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:53 PM

Kid is super upset that they traded his favourite player on his favourite team.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:54 PM

Clowe > Booth.

Sorry to say it.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

Kid is super upset that they traded his favourite player on his favourite team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Ux84k2XWPE


I LOL'd

does that make me a bad person?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:28 PM

How do the Rangers constantly get guys? Richards, Gaborik, Nash and Clowe. WTF


It's New York. Ever been?

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:17 PM

I LOL'd

does that make me a bad person?


No.

He should realize you can trade in NHL games.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

meh. people are selling Clowe as a 20-25 goal scorer - his 30 assists/season need to be taken in the context of Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Pavelski...

People go on all the time about certain guys only putting up numbers because they play with the twins.
Well, SJ's other top 6 guys were not exactly offensively challenged.

Watch him play, he indeed is a playmaker... not to mention, he rarely got icetime with Marleau and Big Joe and usually played with Setoguchi and little Joe.

Unlike Booth who ends up passing the puck to his linemates feet or ends up trying to pull one on two moves when one of the forwards are open...
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

You and your laughable advanced stats.


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