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#31 Down Under

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

Read the new rules you troll. Teams can take back salary in a trade

Why are you here? Seriously

You are annoying


Read his question you troll. he asked about a buyout. that has nothing to do with taking back saalary in a trade.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:25 AM

this makes me hate dave nonuts nonis even more than when he was our gm fat little man hope leafs tank rest of yr and drop to 9th in east

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:23 AM

Dave Nonis in good faith shouldn't have told the media what Gillis was offering. It just shot down his trade value and to an extent embarrases Mike Gillis. I can tell you right now, on this day foward, MIke Gillis will not talk trade with Nonis again.

Dreger is loser.


Nonis hates MG b/c he stole his job. Understandable sure. But burning bridges like that is highly unprofessional. When you have a GM (Nonis) that takes things personally and act unprofessionally, you know it won't end well.

And I thought Toronto ownership fired Burke because he refused to trade for Luongo.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:17 AM

The Luongo to TO saga: Will it ever end?

Frankly, i highly doubt he ever wanted to go there. But the endless coverage on this story was too much for tsn to pass up.

I don't think Lu would want to go to Toronto now either. It's pretty clear Nonis doesn't really think too much of Luongo the player/person - or he would have found a way to make-a-deal. Nonis seemed far more interested in wasting Mr. Gillis' time at deadline-day's 11th hour. Maybe he just got his jollies screwing with the 'Nucks Cup-aspirations. Much like Nonis' former-boss Brian Burke managed to do when he put his vindictive spin & slimy hands all-over the new CBA amendment & formula....that essentially back-bites franchises who have signed players to long-term or front-loaded contracts. Contracts previously approved by the league - BTW! But, there was NO "conflict of interest" there....NONE at all really...right?!

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:40 AM

Long time troller, first time poster.
I liked the idea of this thread enough to post (after trolling since Trent Klatt was a Canuck) for the simple fact that its interesting how the dynamics of a team could have changed so drastically with a trade that didn't pan out.
But this thread has just turned into a giant Nonis bash. Someone should start an official "Why Nonis sucks!" thread if you want to continue with all this crap. I know this is CDC but come on.
The OP had a great idea and I for one would like to see this thread get back on track.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:59 AM

Nonis hates MG b/c he stole his job. Understandable sure. But burning bridges like that is highly unprofessional. When you have a GM (Nonis) that takes things personally and act unprofessionally, you know it won't end well.

And I thought Toronto ownership fired Burke because he refused to trade for Luongo.

T'was reported by insiders that the new owners found Burkie to be condescending to members & interests within their ownership group. He was essentially fired for being vindictive & unprofessional. Like you said...it appears his protégé hasn't landed all that far away from the same dung-cart.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:07 AM

I'd kinda like to see the Leafs goaltending implode in the playoffs just to see the reaction lol.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:48 AM

I have a few insights.

First if you look at the nucks war room the TV was set on Sportsnet and not TSN. Dregs has sold his soul for scraps. I don't think most serious hockey fans pay much attention to him.

I don't believe that Nonis would say what Dregs said in relation to the nucks basically repeatedly begging - not his style. Dregs spun it that way or was fed to him by someone in the organization, but it was not Nonis nor accurate because that is not how you negotiate on either side.

Now what I thought was quite an amazing comment and I think an 'insider' comment was when Dregs said on TV that the leafs would only take him for 'free'. I don't think he was really exaggerating and i think the comment was probably very close to what someone high up in the organization told him. It seems if you look at all the interviews that the leafs were never really interested in trading for lu unless it was for some throw away pieces or picks. And Nonis was probably toying with them a bit.

Now another interesting thing said was from lu. When asked about saying NO before to a trade he said that he has never been asked to date and you have to take he is word on that. Yeah the soft goal but a very honest person. So there was never a deal that he said no to. I believe Maclean on sportsnet said this, and its wrong.

As for the goalie situation I think Nonis showed some poor judgement. I chuckled probably like many when he was going after kipper. When was the last time he watched him play? First most don't think the two guys they have now are legit starters. I agree with Garret when he says that in a shortened season an average goalie can look pretty good, but can they handle a 60-70 starts. I think unless the leafs upgrade next year then it will come back to haunt them.


As for lu and nucks. I think Gillis really tried to move him and it got to the point that they did come down a lot. I think people don't quite understand lu and what motivates him, that is clearly not money. He wants to while he is still in his prime be a starter. For those of you who think he is going to be playing in when he is late 30's or to the end you don't understand this guys mind. My guess he wants to be a started and go out as one. Once he loses that job then he isn't going to stick around and play back. So any team that took on lu would get some stellar tending for a number of years and once a better goalie came I would guess that if nobody wanted him as a starter that he would just hang them up. So his contact really isn't what people think it is.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

Canucks final offer was Lu for Scrivens and 2 second round picks... Would that have been enough for you guys?


I would not have been pleased with that. I'd prefer keeping Luongo for the remainder of this season and then getting a single pick for him at the draft.

The only caveat is that perhaps having Lu around isn't good for chemistry. I trust he is as professional in the locker room as he projects to be through the media. But it likely doesn't help when one of the team's biggest personalities is depressed, even if he does wear his big boy pants to work every day.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:10 AM

Question: does anybody know whether teams can immediately re-sign players they buy-out? Potential scenario: Luongo is bought out in the off-season, then signs a short-term deal with the Canucks: say, 2 years, 6M per. The deal includes a limited NTC. Luongo signs the contract with the understanding he will be traded immediately. Is that allowed, and is it not too bonkers to try?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:11 AM

Somehow, I feel lucky none of you are my government.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

I think we should stick with the guy we commited to for 12 years.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:30 AM

The Canucks and other profitable franchises are being screwed because of Betteman and others screw ups why do the good teams have to drop their salary cap when its working for them?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:54 AM

The Canucks and other profitable franchises are being screwed because of Betteman and others screw ups why do the good teams have to drop their salary cap when its working for them?

it's really rediculous to just drop it that much in 1 year. i can understand if it was gradual
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:06 AM

Question: does anybody know whether teams can immediately re-sign players they buy-out? Potential scenario: Luongo is bought out in the off-season, then signs a short-term deal with the Canucks: say, 2 years, 6M per. The deal includes a limited NTC. Luongo signs the contract with the understanding he will be traded immediately. Is that allowed, and is it not too bonkers to try?


it is a great idea, but it is not allowed under the new CBA. I don't have a source, you just have to trust me on that.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:17 AM

seeing what Ben Bishop fetched, I would imagine what the return would be for Schneider. I say keep Luongo, cuz we ain't getting fair value for the guy, and it is not that Luongo sucks or anything, he can still play.

1. Trade Schneider, keep Luongo, draft a high goalie prospect this coming draft, groom that guy behind lack, let's see what happens in 3-4 years. These 3-4 years, Luongo will be fine.

2. Schneider, if we keep him, will need a new contract after the next 2 seasons, and will likely command Lu like money. And guess what, he would be like 29 years old, and de-ja-vu just like Luongo again asking for a long-term high priced contract.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:09 AM

I honestly think we should keep Lu. He has ZERO trade value but is a top10 goalie in the league with a great cap hit.
Why give him away when goaltending is CLEARLY not the problem?

Trade Schneider as he has WAY more value and fewtch us a greater return
Iterms of production we are going to get very similar numbers from BOTH players.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

I honestly think we should keep Lu. He has ZERO trade value but is a top10 goalie in the league with a great cap hit.
Why give him away when goaltending is CLEARLY not the problem?

Trade Schneider as he has WAY more value and fewtch us a greater return
Iterms of production we are going to get very similar numbers from BOTH players.


exactly, what people don't see is we are running into the exact Luongo problem 2 years from now with Cory Schneider. The guy will want a long term, high cap hit contract, likely the cap hit will be higher than what Lu has right now.

Seriously, I don't see why the objection of trading Schneider for a couple of young studs which we are lacking. Seeing what Ben Bishop fetched, you can get a feel of what Schneider will get us.

Lu is not past his expiry date, and has 3-4 good years left. We can still draft a good goalie prospect from this draft, groom him with Lack, in 3-4 years time, we'll see what we have.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:19 AM

To get this discussion off the Luongo debate here is some stuff from Bruce Garrioch



OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the Capitals received offers for Mike Ribeiro but continue to talk contract with him and could get a four-year extension worked out…Phoenix Coyotes defenseman Keith Yandle’s name was “floated to the Flyers” early on deadline day but he didn’t move. Blueliner Derek Morris submitted his list of 8 teams to which he’d accept a trade but didn’t move…Before the Blue Jackets landed Marian Gaborik, they pursued Tomas Fleischmann but the Panthers weren’t interested…The Sabres tried to move Drew Stafford, with the Devils, Canucks, Jets and Blue Jackets apparently having some interest…The Jets tried to move young forward Alexander Burmistov. The Sabres had some interest…The Flyers were interested in Ben Bishop but the Senators may have asked for Sean Couturier. Bishop was dealt to Tampa Bay for Cory Conacher and a pick…The Canucks tried and failed to land Raffi Torres…



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:20 AM

absolutely. It seems very unprofessional to dole out the particulars like that so soon after the fact. I don't dislike TO but now I really dislike Nonis and management. if TO management thinks they are such hot crap, well I hope their goaltenders get lit up BIG TIME

they already are used to getting lit by us.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

I don't like how Dreger told everyone that Gillis called a bunch of times practically begging for Nonis to take Luongo.. Even if that actually happened, he shouldn't have said it like that..

"Canucks called at 2pm...made a trade offer, Tor declined. Van called at 2:30 with 2nd offer, Tor declined...3rd offer at 2:45pm...decline."


Dreger's only source of info is Nonis who is his cousin. He is not widely respected as a valuable and reliable source by many in the media.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

Dreger's a DOUCHEBAG. I hope the leafs don't make the playoffs and Numbnuts is replaced. He has done Jack since he took over the GM position. This guy is a total puppet. At least Burke was more of a man to make moves even though it might put his job in jepordy. Nonuts is a joke and so are the leafs..

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:47 PM

I think the best result from all of this is that some of the bubble teams miss the postseason due to poor goaltending and some of the teams that make it, suffer the same fate. Then perhaps they might think a little harder about what their real needs are and pull the trigger on a deal for Louie.

Meanwhile, Lou is worth more to the Canucks for the balance of this season than Scrivens and a pair of picks.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:48 PM

I don't like how Dreger told everyone that Gillis called a bunch of times practically begging for Nonis to take Luongo.. Even if that actually happened, he shouldn't have said it like that..

"Canucks called at 2pm...made a trade offer, Tor declined. Van called at 2:30 with 2nd offer, Tor declined...3rd offer at 2:45pm...decline."

That would be Nonis feeding his cousin info and you can guarentee that Nonis way at either payback at the canucks or because Gillis and his BS smoke blowing to drive the price up
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

Dreger's only source of info is Nonis who is his cousin. He is not widely respected as a valuable and reliable source by many in the media.

Not a fan of what Nonis has done by leaking info to his cousin but unfortunately that does not mean Dreger is not a good source infact having a family member as a GM makes you a very good source
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

none of this talk should of got out in the open if it where true at all.... and honestly lu and the canucks should live with his contract. to ask the owner to buy out 28million ya won`t happen. i think and i don`t like it but all sounds like shneids will get traded.. and we have a disgruntled goalie on our hands witch could actually end up sinking this franchise or chasing the owner to sell the team... well i guess we have the draft and free agency to look forward to this......
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:19 PM

Nonis will look like a fool for not taking Luongo.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:23 PM

i forgot i guess their is waivers... but that means your getting nothing back for him except for money saved.. which could be a bonus to the owner rather than buying the guy out...
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

in fact if the owner was smart he would tell gillis to do it. he would save his money.....
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

Or he's doing what he's paid to do.

No can't be, everyone is out to get the Canucks.


logical fallacy - Dreger is just Dreger - Dreger isn't "everyone".




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