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#61 VanNuck

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:01 PM

Once Dave Nonis starts feeling the heat in Toronto he'll fold like a house of cards or not do a enough just like he did here. Don't think I've hated an ex-Canuck personnel more then Nonis.

By feeling the heat I mean both his goalies struggling and his team going through a slump.


The Maple Leafs have enough breathing space and their goaltending has been better than expected over the course of the season. If I were a Leafs fan, I wouldn't mind falling to seventh place, so they could face the Habs. That'll fire up the Leafs and maybe they'll actually knock down their old rivals and get to the second round.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:06 PM

Are you for real? You guys on CDC need to get off salo's di#@. Seriously. He is a good player, but he's averaged 56 games in the last 4 seasons - one of which he only played 27 games (that's the SCF season). On top of that he averaged a +5.75 over that span - this is on the team that's ranked 13th, 2nd, 1st and 4th in scoring. Also goal differential has been +26, +50, +77,+51 for the Canucks...and at it's highest +/- of +77, Salo only played 27 games and was a whopping -3.

Come on guys. Stop inflating people who have left, simply saying..."THE OLD IS BETTER THAN THE NEW". Salo is done - he has a torn achilles, he's 37 and is simply not the player that garrisson could become.

And quite frankly, I don't care if the GM is lying or not. He can say whatever he wants as long as he's winning. This is his job, he has no obligation to take anything public. When you do something at work, do you announce it to all your customers? Probably not.


Nuck Nit is the broken record of CDC. He says the same thing in almost every post. Just ignore.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:11 PM

Handing out a massive career long contract to a world class goaltender, only to go back on that contract when the backup plays 3 playoff games tells me he is NOT the right person for the job. I feel he has handled this situation absolutely terrible right from the start. You don't let a top 5 goaltender in the league who is in his prime rot on the bench. Schneider should NEVER (even though they may be close to similar skill level) have been put in the position to overthrow Luongo based on the small number of playoff games he has. You signed Luongo to be the franchise goaltender, he signed the contract with the assumption of BEING the franchise goaltender.

It's an absolutely awful way to treat a highly respected player like Luongo.

PLUS letting an agent or even a family member dictate a trade (Hodgson) showed me he lacks the balls to tell people where their place is (just as an aside).

The Roy trade - great. I hope he works. But I am still disgusted with how Lu has been treated after originally being given a face of the franchise type contract.

This Luongo deal is going to cost Acquilini's millions of dollars, and I highly doubt they are going to be happy with this. Not only from buying out Lu, but marketing sales are going to plummet. Luongo is WAY more marketable than Schneider is.

They will trade Schneids before they buyout Lu. Lu is still a great goal tender, he just has a contract that is too long. Still good cap hit for the next 5/6 years. Lack or Canata will step up and be very good.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:25 PM

I find it interesting that people crow and whine about how badly this team gets pushed around by the ,ultitude of bigger, tougher teams out there, and then stand on their box and cheer because MG went out and got Roy. I don't think Roy is a bad player, in fact I think he is a god player. However, at 5'9 he just exacerbates the same problem the Canucks have had in every playoff in recent memory..........other teams push them around like they can't push back......which they can't. Every line, of any significance gets intimidated and thrown off their game on a regular basis. Roy not only doesn't change that, it makes worse. No team they face in the post season (if they make it), is going to take them seriously, or give them any kind of respect.

I would have been fine with Roy if Mg would have brought in at least 1-2 players with some size, toughness and some measure of skill to balance out the issues with this team. He did not, thus he failed on deadline day.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

It's not that he didn't trade Luongo this deadline that makes him a good GM. It's that he didn't foresee this situation and trade him in the offseason.

His asset and cap management have potentially handcuffed this team throughout the best years of the Sedins.

5.3 on a Backup
4mil on a guy that is a constant healthy scratch
4mil on a injury prone glorified grinder

13mil of cap space wasted due to bad asset management. Taking players from bad teams that make them look good. Would Tallon really have traded Booth and Ballard if he though they were valuable assets? No he sees them play and knows that they aren't the best players and fleeced Gillis. Now were either stuck with these players or will have to buy them out.

I really like Mike as a GM and like so many of the things he has done for the organization but a few big mistakes could cost the Canucks a chance at the cup and his job
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

I can't believe how many fans have turned on Gillis. I feel like he is doing a fantastic job. He's definitely made a few mistakes but I love that he's willing to take the risk and be a proactive general management. He deserves way more credit for the Roy trade. Looking at what other teams gave up, we got him at an absolute steal in my opinion. Have the fans ever supported a GM here? It seems like there is 15 rumors and proposals a day and if the GM doesn't do them all, our fan base turns on them. Support your damn team everyone

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

Once Dave Nonis starts feeling the heat in Toronto he'll fold like a house of cards or not do a enough just like he did here. Don't think I've hated an ex-Canuck personnel more then Nonis.

By feeling the heat I mean both his goalies struggling and his team going through a slump.


There is no heat in Toronto. Not yet anyway. No one expected the Leafs to be as good as they are. No one expects them to make much of an impression in the playoffs. I don't understand this line of thinking. The team hasn't made the playoffs in nine springs! This is a misnomer about the Toronto fans and media. The Leafs actually receive very little harsh criticism and fans come out no matter what.

I can't see Nonis all of a sudden giving away a lot to Gillis in the summer because his YOUNG goaltenders had a tough time in the playoffs. The Canucks will be going into this playoffs with a young goaltender who has little playoff experience. Could be bad here too. And then so what? It happens. The players gain experience and come back ready to go next year.

The Toronto game plan is taking shape brilliantly and Nonis isn't going to change all that in one fell swoop!

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:05 PM

It's utterly perplexing to me how people can defend Gillis. Yes, trades are not easy to make but as a GM his job is to make the difficult happen. The bottom line is he is not good at trading, signing, drafting or developing players which is a death knell for this organization.The Canuck's window to win in now and Gillis and crew are sitting idling watching the ship sail past. We are the next Calgary Flames. Get ready for a decade of mediocrity.


The Sedins for 6 million apiece?

Hamhuis for 4 and change?

Burrows last contract at 2 million per over 4 years?

Salo last year at 2 million?

Raymond at 2.5 million?

Schneider at 4?

Higgins at 2.5?

Yeah, he pooped the bed on Lu's contract, but overall Gillis' biggest strength has been his ability to get good or great players signed at undermarket value.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:22 PM

Luongo is WAY more marketable than Schneider is.


Maybe, maybe not.

Doesn't matter, though. Fans come to the rink when the team is winning.That's the only thing that's really marketable.

Schneider's already the better goaltender. And he'll be odds-on to be a better goaltender than Lu for the rest of Lu's career.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:47 PM

What Toronto offered was an insult...If Lou has a good showing at the end of this season/playoffs..Im sure we will get a decent return

Guys, I saw many folks calling Leafs' offer an insult to Luongo. Please separate the player from his contract for a second: it is maybe an insult to Luongo's contract instead, but that contract fully deserves it (Luongo himself believes the same).

The points made by OP are well-articulated, however they stopped short of convincing me that I should forgive MG for his lack of foresight (not speaking about these last few weeks). We were limited in what we could do because of how he has managed the cap so far. Consider the facts:
  • he has been one of the luckiest GMs - having the ability to spend the entire cap (that's because we are crazy about hockey in Van-City, which is not his merit)
  • in spite of spending all he could, we are not a serious contender this year (realistically speaking)- consider how other teams have managed their money while being more dangerous contenders: STL ($18M cap room!), ANA ($13M) and LAK ($8M) - just to pick a few in the West. Even PIT has $3.5M left after all the splashes they made ...
  • episode 2 of this sad movie will happen in the summer - we have 14 players on roster for next year and only ... $2M cap room (need another 11 players ...)
  • as for Luongo - a lot of goalies are hiting the market in the summer and the lack of immediate concern for the playoffs will make the cap concerns prevail in all negotiations. MG has his back against the wall
  • it is anybody's guess how easy/hard would be to move e.g. Booth's contract (injuries and all) and/or Ballard's - if we so decide. People keep saying "we move X and Y", w/o realizing that not many GMs would necessarily line up for them
Tried to stay objective - and the picture I am painting looks pretty grim. Someone prove me wrong, I'd love to be.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:01 PM

Maybe, maybe not.

Doesn't matter, though. Fans come to the rink when the team is winning.That's the only thing that's really marketable.

Schneider's already the better goaltender. And he'll be odds-on to be a better goaltender than Lu for the rest of Lu's career.


he's already the better goaltender base on what? 5 playoff appearances? Remeber Luongo and his first 5 playoff games?

the fact that the so call "fans" in vancouver believe Cory is the better goalie for such a small sample will be the reason why they will chase him out of the town after a season or two. Then the locust will move on to another target, possibly Kesler, and do the same thing until the team has nothing left.

No team in the nhl other than Vancouver would chase out their franchise goalie in favor of a player with 5 playoff appearances.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

I'd love to prove you wrong as well, but regretfully, I can't.

I suspect the panic of a lower cap hit will end up with Booth and Ballard traded for scraps, waived or bought out. I also think they will keep Lu and trade Schneids. Raymond and Manny will walk. That will free up about 14m cap space. Hopefully they can include a couple of rookies in their lineup next season (Schroeder, Jensen, Corrado) as there are 7 or 8 contracts and/or spots to be filled.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

he's already the better goaltender base on what? 5 playoff appearances? Remeber Luongo and his first 5 playoff games?

the fact that the so call "fans" in vancouver believe Cory is the better goalie for such a small sample will be the reason why they will chase him out of the town after a season or two. Then the locust will move on to another target, possibly Kesler, and do the same thing until the team has nothing left.

No team in the nhl other than Vancouver would chase out their franchise goalie in favor of a player with 5 playoff appearances.


"Chase out"?

You're assuming things I've never said. I like Lu. As a person and as a goalie. But Schneider's better. Forget about the playoffs for a second.. Just look at the regular season stats from last year. Schneider trounced Luongo. And he's playing better than him this year. The decision, also, is much more about the future. Luongo's save % is trending downward. Schneider's is going up.

Lu's had a good run, and if it weren't for Schneider, I'd say keep him. But Schneider's cheaper, has an appropriate term, is younger, and, most importantly, better.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

When we win the Presidents Trophy it's, "Now we only get crap draft picks"
When we don't win the Presidents Trophy it's, "Gillis should be fired"

When GM's are trading draft picks left and right for player's it's, "Why isn't Gillis doing anything? Fire his ass!"
When Gillis trades one pick and a prospect for a top-6 forward it's, "He's Mortgaging our Future NO! FIRE HIM NOW!!"

When we win 6 games in a row it's, "..........(crickets)"
When we lose a game it's, "Fire AV, Trade everybody, Fire Gillis, Go Pittsburgh!"

When another team's player dives it's, "Not as bad as Kesler! (ZING!)"
When a member of our team supposedly dives it's, "Typical Canucks"

That's just 4 examples and there's plenty more, pretty sad.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

I think the problem is, Gillis initially made the mistake of over-valuing Lu which in turn put him in this predicament.
we could have gotten Schenn from Toronto for Lu and then flipped Schenn to Philly for JVR

JVR and Shroeder was a wicked combination for USA Junior team and it would have been amazing to re-unite them.


but now, we are looking at getting scraps for Lu OR potentially trading cory

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:34 PM

When we win the Presidents Trophy it's, "Now we only get crap draft picks"
When we don't win the Presidents Trophy it's, "Gillis should be fired"

When GM's are trading draft picks left and right for player's it's, "Why isn't Gillis doing anything? Fire his ass!"
When Gillis trades one pick and a prospect for a top-6 forward it's, "He's Mortgaging our Future NO! FIRE HIM NOW!!"

When we win 6 games in a row it's, "..........(crickets)"
When we lose a game it's, "Fire AV, Trade everybody, Fire Gillis, Go Pittsburgh!"

When another team's player dives it's, "Not as bad as Kesler! (ZING!)"
When a member of our team supposedly dives it's, "Typical Canucks"

That's just 4 examples and there's plenty more, pretty sad.


Good post. I'll add a few:

When we win the President's trophy it's, but we play in a weak division.
When we win the President's trophy, it's but we squeaked by in those games, we didn't dominate teams.
When we win the President's trophy , it's but who cares about regular season success?

When GMs are trading draft picks left and right, it's go for it, Gillis, grab some balls!
When GMs are trading draft picks left and right, it's don't get caught up in it, Gillis, we aren't winning this year anyway.

When we win six games in a row, it's Schneider baled them out (oh, you mean like Quick last year?, or just about any other Stanley Cup champ's goalie?)
When we win six games in a row, it's four of them were easy teams.
When we win six games in a row, it's the process is just as bad, we just got lucky.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:57 PM

We are in the business of making the best team to win the cup not choosing players to get the most value in a trade. If this was the case, why not trade Sedins and Kesler too since they have more value than someone like Raymond or Booth.


Because it is likely that Luongo and Schneider will give the Canucks a similar level of performance. Why not trade the more coveted asset then? The Sedins and Kesler perform at a much higher level than Raymond and Booth so the comparison doesn't really work with the Luongo and Schneider situation..

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