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#1 Canorcas

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

End of #21?
Is this the last year of Mason Raymond as a Vancouver Canuck?

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After six years in Vancouver, Mason Raymond may be finishing his last season as a Canuck.

Nothing is set in stone, but it seems evident that Raymond will be a victim of numbers as the organization attempts to manage their contracts. Given that next year's salary cap will decrease to $64.3 million, the team needs to shed money and contracts considering their $62.9 million payroll for 2014.

This year Raymond has, at times, shown flashes of brilliance with his speed and hockey sense. But this year, like many others previously, the 27-year old has struggled with consistency and was quiet when the team needed his offense the most.

To date, Raymond has enjoyed four-game point streaks on two different occasions. Once in February and another in March. But the games in which Raymond utilizes his deadly speed have been far and few between. And with the team having just recently extended forward Chris Higgins to a 4-year contract, it puts Raymond in a pickle.

Given his natural talents and the lack of top-6 forwards for next year's free agency, it could also put him in a good position as an unrestricted free agent.

In past years, Raymond has been a 20-goal and 50-point player with the Canucks. And the fact that he should now be hitting his prime at 27, there could be serious cash thrown at Raymond that Vancouver won't be able to compete with.

With all this in mind, it's certainly possible the Canucks will trade negotiation rights for Raymond during the upcoming prospect draft. If Vancouver is willing to acknowledge that they may lose Raymond in the market, it's always wiser to get a draft pick for those negotiation rights than nothing at all.

As of now, Raymond is currently mired with a 4-game pointless streak and has been hampered by an injury. However, with the addition of Ryan Kesler expected soon, it could be the spark he needs to produce more offensively.

It just should be noted that in the next few weeks, Mason Raymond could very well be playing his last games as a Vancouver Canuck.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

He's gone. Unless he takes a huge pay-cut and doesn't mind jumping between the 2nd/3rd line.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:32 PM

Problem is, who would cost less that could play on the 2nd line?

He also needs Schroeder back up, it was one of the bright spots this year (how the line played) but no we have Ebbet.... LOL

Edited by Nino, 07 April 2013 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

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but, i liked mason raymond





deal booth for a 1st rounder to an Eastern bottom 3 team
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:37 PM

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Considering we kept Mason Raymond over our former first rounder Michael Grabner....I don't see them letting him go, anyone that doesn't see that Mason Raymond is dedicated to the Canucks & that the Canucks are equally dedicated to him is just blind.

Edited by Jagr68, 07 April 2013 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

The only way i can see Raymond staying if he signs the same salary he's making now and trade or buyout Booth in the offseason.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:40 PM

Considering we kept Mason Raymond over our former first rounder Michael Grabner....I don't see them letting him go, anyone that doesn't see that Mason Raymond is dedicated to the Canucks & that the Canucks are equally dedicated to him is just blind.


Damn what if we had a third line of

Raymond - Schroeder - Grabner

That would easily be the fastest line in the NHL
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:42 PM

Depends how he does in the playoffs. We may need to keep Booth if AV isn't fired, and there are no takers for Luongo.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

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Mason Raymond... what else can I say, you deserve better pal. Your lightning speed ignites me off my seat as a fan like no other canuck. If we dont sign you I wish you the best wherever you may land. The way you rebounded from a devastating back injury was truly inspiring.

Like ryper, mayray you will forever be a canuck.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

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but, i liked mason raymond





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You'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him.

As for Raymond, he's not someone I want on my 2nd line, and our 3rd line looks great, so there really isn't a spot for him and his 3.5M dollars (speculating on what he'll be making).

I'd trade his rights, but I don't know what we'll get since Raymond isn't a "Big name" and will only be a mid-tier free agent. I'd be thrilled with a 3rd.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

The only way i can see Raymond staying if he signs the same salary he's making now and trade or buyout Booth in the offseason.


Do we need Booth or Raymond more?

Gillis is probably going to keep Booth for another season. He wants the power forward and frankly Booth still hasn't had a full season with us to prove himself.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

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Mason Raymond... what else can I say, you deserve better pal. Your lightning speed ignites me off my seat as a fan like no other canuck. If we dont sign you I wish you the best wherever you may land. The way you rebounded from a devastating back injury was truly inspiring.

Like ryper, mayray you will forever be a canuck.


My thoughts as well. He's really learned to utilize his speed and I'd hate to lose a piece of that in our lineup. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:50 PM

Do we need Booth more or Raymond more?


Raymond, better defensively and can actually hit the net with his shots.

Booth just didnt fit here, if we can buy him out then re-sign him for like half of his salary then keep both, but if not, then Booth has to go.

Also, if Clowe hits free agency i want the Canucks to get him since he's express wanting to play for us ^_^
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:11 PM

Raymond, better defensively and can actually hit the net with his shots.

Booth just didnt fit here, if we can buy him out then re-sign him for like half of his salary then keep both, but if not, then Booth has to go.

Also, if Clowe hits free agency i want the Canucks to get him since he's express wanting to play for us ^_^


Can you buy out a player then resign him to the same team? I would be surprised if you could or Pittsburg may look into buying out Sid if he agrees to sign a 5 year deal for minimum salary. That would be one way to avoid the cap, buy out your two best players and sign them for squat... Thank you I'll add 18 mil to my teams cap hit. ;)
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

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but, i liked mason raymond





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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

I like Raymond a lot. He's been one of our best point producers this year and is a +8 on the season. (In fact, Raymond has never finished a regular NHL season with a -, proving his worth defensively.) And let's not forget that last July the team actually filed for arbitration against him when he didn't return to his pre-injury form quickly enough and he agreed to have his salary (and cap hit) drop from $2.6M to $2.27M (the maximum drop allowed). And he didn't pout or complain about it, he just kept working hard. Now that's a team player!

He's better defensively and offensively than Booth and cheaper to boot, and being that Higgins' new contract gives him more than Raymond makes right now, unless Raymond's hoping for a huge pay jump I can't see how the team can't find the money to re-sign him. Hopefully he'll be willing to re-sign for around $3M a year and we'll get that deal inked soon!
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

but, i liked mason raymond





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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

The only way he'd stay here is if they can sell him the idea they've sold other players and get him to sign for less than he could get on the open market. If he likes it here and is willing to buy into the notion that they want to keep the core of this group together for the long run and have a chance to win the cup every year, he may be enticed to stay.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

pretty sure some team is willing to offer him 1st-2nd line minutes (instead of the 2nd-3rd line minutes currently, doesn't really have the opportunity to move up to first line minutes with the sedins here and he'll get some offensive zone starts which should help the next contract) and some big money which he won't get in van

he's a solid 2 way player but i don't think canucks are willing to pay high on a POTENTIAL 50 pt again player that's 27 but I can see other teams offering him 3mil-4mi

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:41 PM

but, i liked mason raymond





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Edit: How does that post have +6? How ignorant are you guys?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:48 PM

His best friend is Jason Garrison. Huge reason why he signed here. Personally, I doubt Raymond leaves.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:49 PM

I won't forget when he was one of our best playoff performers then hurt his back. All efforts should be made to keep him around we already lost enough key players as it is.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

I won't forget when he was one of our best playoff performers then hurt his back. All efforts should be made to keep him around we already lost enough key players as it is.


Say what? He had 2 goals and 8 points in 24 games.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

Well after his 50pt campaign he received $2.55m and was apparently then asked to prove himself, which he did not so his salary was cut down.

Higgins (probably the best comparable on the team) was just offered $2.5m/yr.

Also remember that with the cap coming down a player who was worth $X last summer will be worth considerably less than $X this summer. The players know this, the agents know this, and the GMs hands are tied on this.

I say he is offered the same deal as Higgins, and at that price we can certainly afford him.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

Damn what if we had a third line of

Raymond - Schroeder - Grabner

That would easily be the fastest line in the NHL


And the softest...
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

Please MG, or whoever's in your spot by the summer, try to keep him..
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

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Edit: How does that post have +6? How ignorant are you guys?


How ignorant are you?
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:01 PM

How ignorant are you?


Do you really think David Booth is enough to land you MacKinnon/Drouin/Jones?
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:02 PM

Personally, I've learned to just wait and see.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:03 PM

Do you really think David Booth is enough to land you MacKinnon/Drouin/Jones?


Maybee... in NHL 13 atleast :P

Edit: Do you not sense any sarcasm?

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