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#61 nux4lyfe

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:06 AM

Why do these dudes always look almost exactly the same!? change it up man..
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

They should burn Pastor Terry Jones to commemorate 9/11.

I've had enough of this clown.


I'd say a greater case can be made against you for advocating a violent and criminal act like this than for any jackassery committed by Jones.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

Why do these dudes always look almost exactly the same!? change it up man..


These types of people don't do change.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Big deal people can burn religious books if they want. Just so happens that Muslims tend to freak out about it and react violently as opposed to say burning bibles.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

Big deal people can burn religious books if they want. Just so happens that Muslims tend to freak out about it and react violently as opposed to say burning bibles.


And stopping him on their account would be giving in to terrorism.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

I bet hardly anyone in this conversation has ever stepped foot in a Mosque before. In fact, from reading every post in this thread Id doubt anyone here has done any serious studying of Islam and it's followers outside from maybe asking your "Islam friend at school".

Go read the Quaran and go visit a Mosque or two and find out what it is that they preach instead of sitting online and coming up with your half-assed theories on what Islam really is.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

Ok. So regular everyday Islamic people don't believe people should be put to death for burning the Quran?


Are you for real? Are people really that out of touch with the everyday Muslim that they even have to ask that question?

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:57 PM

Are you for real? Are people really that out of touch with the everyday Muslim that they even have to ask that question?

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It's a legit question. The Quran says that burning the Quran is punishable by death. I just wondered if everyday muslims believe that or not.

Problem with all religions is people interpret their holy books how ever they want and how it suits them. So I guess peaceful muslims ignore the call for death. But I see a lot of Muslims calling for the death of people also. Like the guy who drew a cartoon of Mohammed. Or Salmon Rushdie who had to go into hiding for writing a book. And this pastor who burns Qurans was sentenced to death in an Egyptian court.

Mr. Jones is the Florida-based pastor of Dove World Outreach. He helped promote a film that sparked Muslim outrage around the world last year; a court in Egypt convicted and sentenced to death seven Coptic Christians believed to have aided with the creation of the film in November. The court sentenced Mr. Jones — in his absence — to death, also.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:24 PM

It's a legit question. The Quran says that burning the Quran is punishable by death. I just wondered if everyday muslims believe that or not.

Problem with all religions is people interpret their holy books how ever they want and how it suits them. So I guess peaceful muslims ignore the call for death. But I see a lot of Muslims calling for the death of people also. Like the guy who drew a cartoon of Mohammed. Or Salmon Rushdie who had to go into hiding for writing a book. And this pastor who burns Qurans was sentenced to death in an Egyptian court.


It's as legitimate a question as asking a Christian if a woman should be put to death for lying about their virginity before marriage, or if you were allowed to sell your daughter as a sex slave. If you were at all in doubt that the answer is anything but no you need to get out in the world more.


The reality is that every member of one of these major religions is a hypocrite. I'm not sure it's their fault, the books are contradictory in nature to begin with. I can and have seen Quranic quotes speaking in more moderate/peaceful terms which contradicts the part of it you quoted. Religion is whatever you want it to be, how you interpret it tells you more about the person than it does the religion.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

It's as legitimate a question as asking a Christian if a woman should be put to death for lying about their virginity before marriage, or if you were allowed to sell your daughter as a sex slave. If you were at all in doubt that the answer is anything but no you need to get out in the world more.


The reality is that every member of one of these major religions is a hypocrite. I'm not sure it's their fault, the books are contradictory in nature to begin with. I can and have seen Quranic quotes speaking in more moderate/peaceful terms which contradicts the part of it you quoted. Religion is whatever you want it to be, how you interpret it tells you more about the person than it does the religion.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:47 PM

Call him a d-bag all you want, but remember his First Amendment right.

How about the saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

What First Amendment right?
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

I'd say a greater case can be made against you for advocating a violent and criminal act like this than for any jackassery committed by Jones.


Yes, because I'm so disturbed that I genuinely want him burned alive...

Nice to see you standing up for him again.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:28 PM

What First Amendment right?


Does free speech protect hatespeech Wet? I know in Canada its not tolerated but in the states they have the KKK and Westboro
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

It's as legitimate a question as asking a Christian if a woman should be put to death for lying about their virginity before marriage, or if you were allowed to sell your daughter as a sex slave. If you were at all in doubt that the answer is anything but no you need to get out in the world more.


The reality is that every member of one of these major religions is a hypocrite. I'm not sure it's their fault, the books are contradictory in nature to begin with. I can and have seen Quranic quotes speaking in more moderate/peaceful terms which contradicts the part of it you quoted. Religion is whatever you want it to be, how you interpret it tells you more about the person than it does the religion.


I think those Christian questions are legit too. And I agree with you, all members of religion are hypocrites. Religion has been the cause of global unrest ever since people started making them up.

But unlike you, I don't give anyone free passes. If people say they are believers and practicing members of any religion, then I have the right to ask them what parts of their holy scriptures do they abide by and which ones they conveniently disregard.

Killing anyone who burns the Quran is in the scriptures. So I guess the answer is most Muslims ignore that part.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:49 PM

I think those Christian questions are legit too. And I agree with you, all members of religion are hypocrites. Religion has been the cause of global unrest ever since people started making them up.

But unlike you, I don't give anyone free passes. If people say they are believers and practicing members of any religion, then I have the right to ask them what parts of their holy scriptures do they abide by and which ones they conveniently disregard.

Killing anyone who burns the Quran is in the scriptures. So I guess the answer is most Muslims ignore that part.


The true irony in this is that the 3rd Caliph (one of the direct companions of Muhammad, and meritocratic leader) once ordered all Qurans to be burnt except the one in his hand.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

"But I see a lot of Muslims calling for the death of people also"


THere are a lot of Muslims, a very big number, thus there will be a some on the extreme side. But if you can wrap your head around the idea of percentages you will be less concerned by the relatively few nutbars.

http://islam.about.c.../population.htm

"Nearly one-fourth of the world’s population today is Muslim. The Muslim population is a diverse community of believers spanning the globe. Over fifty countries have Muslim-majority populations, while other groups of believers are clustered in minority communities on nearly every continent.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:32 PM

That's all very well and good but what's your point? That the bible also promotes violence? Yes it does. I'm not Christian and I never said anything about the bible. I was just pointing out that the Quran promotes violence.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:49 PM

It's as legitimate a question as asking a Christian if a woman should be put to death for lying about their virginity before marriage, or if you were allowed to sell your daughter as a sex slave. If you were at all in doubt that the answer is anything but no you need to get out in the world more.


The reality is that every member of one of these major religions is a hypocrite. I'm not sure it's their fault, the books are contradictory in nature to begin with. I can and have seen Quranic quotes speaking in more moderate/peaceful terms which contradicts the part of it you quoted. Religion is whatever you want it to be, how you interpret it tells you more about the person than it does the religion.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

I think those Christian questions are legit too. And I agree with you, all members of religion are hypocrites. Religion has been the cause of global unrest ever since people started making them up.

But unlike you, I don't give anyone free passes. If people say they are believers and practicing members of any religion, then I have the right to ask them what parts of their holy scriptures do they abide by and which ones they conveniently disregard.

Killing anyone who burns the Quran is in the scriptures. So I guess the answer is most Muslims ignore that part.


All human beings are hypocrites.

Without religion, we'd still be small bands of non technological people roaming the earth...we never would have evolved to the state we are now...
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

All human beings are hypocrites.

Without religion, we'd still be small bands of non technological people roaming the earth...we never would have evolved to the state we are now...


That's quite the statement. You should elaborate.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

That's quite the statement. You should elaborate.


"Dr. Haidt believes that religion has played an important role in human evolution by strengthening and extending the cohesion provided by the moral systems. “If we didn’t have religious minds we would not have stepped through the transition to groupishness,” he said. “We’d still be just small bands roving around.”"

http://www.nytimes.c...=rssnyt&emc=rss

Don't get me wrong - I agree that religion has many flaws...first of which is how man exploits it....though that seems in our nature as we exploit just about anything...

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

All human beings are hypocrites.

Without religion, we'd still be small bands of non technological people roaming the earth...we never would have evolved to the state we are now...


So religion invented the transistor and the microprocessor? Good to know.

The human race would be much more advanced if it weren't for the interference of religion.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

The human race would be much more advanced if it weren't for the interference of religion.


Source?
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:23 PM

Source?


Common sense.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

Common sense.


Common ignorance more like it?
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

All human beings are hypocrites.

Without religion, we'd still be small bands of non technological people roaming the earth...we never would have evolved to the state we are now...


Very wrong. We are where we are in the world because religion lost it's grip on societies. If religious leaders had their way back in the day, I bet we'd still be riding horses.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

So religion invented the transistor and the microprocessor? Good to know.

The human race would be much more advanced if it weren't for the interference of religion.

I'm not 100% sure about this. If it weren't religion, they'd just make something else up that would cause similar problems. Stuff like political parties, but more extreme. The human mind is obsessed with organizing things into groups.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

Common ignorance more like it?


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:40 PM

I'm not 100% sure about this. If it weren't religion, they'd just make something else up that would cause similar problems. Stuff like political parties, but more extreme. The human mind is obsessed with organizing things into groups.


Brahma, organization is a good thing. Makes things much more efficient.

Control and oppression are not good things. That's the difference.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:04 PM

Brahma, organization is a good thing. Makes things much more efficient.

Control and oppression are not good things. That's the difference.


There is good and bad to organization. I'm just saying that even without religion, different groups would be created that would end up leading to the same types of problems such as control and oppression.
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