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#1 Ugli Fruit

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:17 AM

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I don't care what anybody thinks of the two goalies, this isn't about who is better. I won't share any of my personal opinions on this thread, and neither should anyone else.

The question is, was it a mistake to keep Schneider and try to move Luongo, despite the fact that it was clear that nobody wanted his contract?

Hear me out.

Schneider is getting the job done for us. Whether that is by exceeding expectations or barely meeting it, he is getting the job done, and that's that. I just want to establish that Schneider, as of now, if perfectly capable of being the starter. We don't need Luongo around anymore to get us into the playoffs and do well there, assuming Schneider's form continues.

However, is that enough of a reason to potentially waste another season for the Canucks and have the core age again?

On the flip side, Luongo is also perfectly capable of getting this team into the playoffs and getting far as well. Despite all the argument about whether or not Luongo is a choke (the argument simply doesn't make sense - one does not suddenly lose the ability to play hockey come April), Luongo still played a big role in our Cup run back in 2011. Both goalies are capable of getting this team to the Cup finals.

If you don't agree with that, leave. Because what I am going to ask depends on whether you agree with me or not. And this is not about who I think is the better choice to keep either, so don't post that kind of reply.

Luongo's contract is too difficult to move for a substantial return. Schneider's, however, can be moved for a significant return. Seeing as how Gillis already got rid of Connauton (probably the closest to being ready of all our D prospects), it's clear that he wants to make a cup run this year. Why then, did Gillis decide to partially compromise our future and not make the logical choice by further compromising the future and making the best team we have had in the past decade?

If Gillis moved Schneider for any fair return, we would be a favorite. Schneider is worth a top-2 defenseman, and this to me, makes more sense if we already picked up a rental like Derek Roy.

Luongo can still play well enough for us to make a deep run, so why keep Schneider and remain stuck with Luongo, if trading Schneider can put our roster through the roof?

Edit: I love how most people are giving arguments :rolleyes:

The rationale on CDC is that if any post is possibly against Schneider being hailed as Vancouver's god, it's a bad post. If you don't agree with the reasoning, then explain!

Keep Schneider = get great goaltending, still have no scoring, have 5.3M dollars on the bench doing nothing
Keep Luongo = get great goaltending, either have scoring, or incredible defense, 4M dollars being used to fuel possibly the last cup run this team is capable of making.

Edited by LordofBrussels, 13 April 2013 - 11:52 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:20 AM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:21 AM

we would probably have run out of cap room for that blockbuster trade-but, I think not stacking the team up is a mistake if they don't win the cup this year
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

It is what it is.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:27 AM

i get what you mean this year luo or cory could get us to the finals but what about 4 years later when sedins aren't in there prime and neither is luo then we will be lucky to make the playoffs
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:29 AM

Why can't we just keep both goalies for playoffs this season? if one chokes we can always just play the other

besides, right now we have top 4 of Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Edler... bottom 2 is rotated by Ballard, Barker, Alberts until Tanev returns, then it'll be Tanev + one of the 3

We also have a very deep forward group if we are able to stay healthy, hell we even have a deeper set of forward groups compare to our 2010-2011 Cup run

Now:
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kesler Kassian
Higgins Roy Hansen
Sestito Lappy Weise
extra: Pinizzotto, Ebbett, Booth

2011:
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kesler Samuelsson
Higgins Lappy Hansen
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so you see... had the Blackhawks and Penguins are not so on fire this year, we might actually have a better chance in the playoffs than we did in 2011


key in point, keeping both goalies might do us better this year in playoffs, and we'll worry about who to trade, and to trade for what during the offseason
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

How bad would it look on us if we signed a goalie in the offseason, then trade him away before the season started or during the trade deadline?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

Why can't we just keep both goalies for playoffs this season? if one chokes we can always just play the other

besides, right now we have top 4 of Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Edler... bottom 2 is rotated by Ballard, Barker, Alberts until Tanev returns, then it'll be Tanev + one of the 3

We also have a very deep forward group if we are able to stay healthy, hell we even have a deeper set of forward groups compare to our 2010-2011 Cup run

Now:
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kesler Kassian
Higgins Roy Hansen
Sestito Lappy Weise
extra: Pinizzotto, Ebbett, Booth

2011:
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kesler Samuelsson
Higgins Lappy Hansen
plug plug plug

so you see... had the Blackhawks and Penguins are not so on fire this year, we might actually have a better chance in the playoffs than we did in 2011


key in point, keeping both goalies might do us better this year in playoffs, and we'll worry about who to trade, and to trade for what during the offseason

we cant keep comparing this years team to 2011 we didn't win then so what makes you think thatthe 2011 team could win this year
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:36 AM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:36 AM

i get what you mean this year luo or cory could get us to the finals but what about 4 years later when sedins aren't in there prime and neither is luo then we will be lucky to make the playoffs


getting us to the finals is not enough any more for this group... it has to be a win, and keeping both goalies this year gives us the chance to do that this year

Sedins might even retire 4 years later (they'll be 37), so all we can do now is try our best to win it all, while giving our prospects and young guns like Schroeder, Jensen, Kassian, Tanev, Gaunce, Lain warmed up for NHL, and then hope they can be the support of this team in 4 years
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:41 AM

You obviously don't watch wolves games if you think he's the closest to NHL ready among prospects. He has offensive upside but was a brutal -12 this year. Your not going to make it to the NHL with a -12 rating. Players like Andersson, Polasek, Corrado, and Tommernes will keep our D strong for years

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:42 AM

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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:43 AM

we cant keep comparing this years team to 2011 we didn't win then so what makes you think thatthe 2011 team could win this year


because you need to take a look at WHY we lost that year, and if you say "it was Luongo's fault" then you need to re-watch that year's run... it wasn't the goalie, it wasn't the defense, it was our forwards, we scored 8 goals in 7 games against Boston while Luongo got 2 shutouts (game 1 and game 5)

our forward group got destroyed, we got Lappy as our 4th line center but lost Malhotra due to an wild flying puck, then we lost Samuelsson in round 2 and had to promote Higgins to 2nd line, giving us absolutely no 4th line at all.... and then we lost Kesler in game 5 against Sharks, Higgins also broke his foot, and Raymond broke his back, leaving us without a second line. We were basically running around on 2 lines, Sedin Sedin Burrows, and Torres Lappy Hansen

this year, we actually have a dependable 4th line, one that AV trusts to play more than 5 mins (exception to Sestito, but he's more of a toughness factor), and should injury occur, we actually have Schroeder and even Ebbett to fill into our forward group... see the difference?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:45 AM

clicking on this thread was a mistake


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:47 AM

So unless we completely agree, leave?

No you don't trade one of the best goalies in the league when you want a cup, Schneider has been playing like one of the top goaltenders in the league this season.

Plus (to more so answer your question) there really isn't a market out of teams out there that are able to give us that player right now that will put us over the top, and there isn't any way we will be able to fit him in next year.

Keeping Cory was the right move.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

How bad would it look on us if we signed a goalie in the offseason, then trade him away before the season started or during the trade deadline?


We had to sign Schneider or he would've walked by getting a crazy offer sheet, we the canucks couldn't afford.
How does it look signing Luu to a 12 yr contract and then giving up on him only after 2.5 yrs, Well it hasn't been good no wonder why other teams and fans of the league think Vancouver is joke. People think of the team as finger biters, divers & whiners and we throw players under the bus.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

It is what it is.


This.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

Any answer given to your question will be personal opinion, so nobody should respond to this thread. That's what I'm taking away from this.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:58 AM

After watching our, at times pretty lackluster squad this year. I would say that the we are in pretty good shape after getting some injured players back and acquiring a 3rd line center. We have been delt some good cards at just the right time and I believe that it is all coming together in time for the play-offs. Having two fantastic goalies is a total luxury. I'm beginning to think that our chances of going deep this year are as good as any of the last couple of years. It wasn't MG that screwed up at the deadline, it was Nonis! TML are getting bounce by Boston in the first round because they don't have good goal tending:-)
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:02 PM

Was making this thread a mistake?

Let's trade the guy who can give us 10 more years and keep the guy who only have 5 years left in him because we can get more for the first guy. Of course you can get more for Schneider because he is worth more to others AND to yourselves. Maybe we should have really loaded up and traded all our picks, prospects and youth for rentals and gone right to rebuild next year.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

I agree, the window of opportunity is only so big
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:11 PM

Good goaltenders can steal Stanley Cups. Just look at last year. Quick won the cup for L.A. We want to keep our better goalie, and that is Schneider. He gives us the best chance to steal the cup.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:33 PM

If...if...but..but...coulda...woulda...shoulda...

Be here now buddy. Trade deadline 'bin and gone.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:17 PM

How bad would it look on us if we signed a goalie in the offseason, then trade him away before the season started or during the trade deadline?


You mean like how Mike Gillis signed Sturm and then traded him away in the same year?
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 01:26 PM

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