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#1501 MoneypuckOverlord

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cwozYzVJ0dU


no one cares. Look above the videos I posted.

 

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:14 AM

no one cares. Look above the videos I posted.

That's you proof? A couple of photos of a scruffy looking guy that they claim is a "terrorist"? I suppose the fact that he's carrying a backpack is your "smoking gun"?

Why no shots of him walking away sans backpack after the explosion? You know, like the one we've all seen of the younger brother. Any shots of him in the same frame as a known victim? Like the one we saw of Dzhokhar and Martin Richard...

I also love the line about "If the FBI injure or kill bomber #2, we'll release more sensitive information"....

Why wait? If you really have "information" lets see it. There certainly isn't anything compelling in that video.
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

That's you proof? A couple of photos of a scruffy looking guy that they claim is a "terrorist"? I suppose the fact that he's carrying a backpack is your "smoking gun"?

Why no shots of him walking away sans backpack after the explosion? You know, like the one we've all seen of the younger brother. Any shots of him in the same frame as a known victim? Like the one we saw of Dzhokhar and Martin Richard...

I also love the line about "If the FBI injure or kill bomber #2, we'll release more sensitive information"....

Why wait? If you really have "information" lets see it. There certainly isn't anything compelling in that video.

Typical conspiracy loon stuff. Why bother?

All you will get in response is that "you dot understand" despite the fact that there is nothing there that is compelling in the face of other relevant and compelling evidence to the contrary.


As a class conspiracy theorists generally display an incredible attention to minute detail but an even more incredible ability to ignore details they don't like, obsessive focus and a complete absence of logical thought. Cherry-picking is another related feature when someone deliberately selects from a wide variety of material only those items which support the conspiracy theory, while ignoring and discarding those which don't. When this carefully chosen selection of material is then presented as a whole, it easily misleads people into thinking that the conspiracy theory is supported by evidence.

The other favourite tactic is what in logic is referred to as making an argument from ignorance where ignorance means "not knowing something" , i.e it is unexplained. Thus when something with no apparent explanation is pointed out and since there's no ready at hand explanation, it's presented as evidence of conspiracy, foul play. whatever. One thing you learn early on as a lawyer is to be very skeptical of this sort of argument. Nothing can in fact be inferred nor deduced from an unexplained phenomenon. As long as you don't know what it is, you can't take it as evidence of anything. In most cases such things have a quite simple and logical explanation; it's just that in order to figure it out, you need to have the proper experience on the subject, or alternatively to have someone with experience explain it to you. After that it becomes quite self-evident. It's a bit like a magic trick: When you see it, you can't explain how it works, but when someone explains it to you, it often is outright disappointingly simple.

And of course the other tactic is to claim that coincidences do not happen - for example it cannot be a coincidence that a bomb drill was being carried out concurrently. In the real world things that can be considered coincidences happen all the time. Sometimes even coincidences that are so unlikely that they are almost incredible. Of course most coincidences are actually much more likely to happen than we usually think. In conspiracy theory land, however, there are no such things as coincidences. Everything always happens for a reason, and everything is always related somehow.

Most conspiracy theories don't make sense nor withstand any scrutiny. They usually involve operations so immense that it's basically impossible for them to be kept secret, and all the proof given by conspiracy theorists usually have a very simple explanation (usually much simpler than the explanation given by the theorists). Conspiracy theorists view logical argument as cheating.

Conspiracy theorists believe the world is run by schizophrenic shadowy organizations who - despite conspiring with millions in perfect silence - can't seemingly resist putting clues out for the conspiracy theorist to find. In this warped perception the world was secretly being run by the Illuminati, Knights Templar, Freemasons, Trilateral commission, New World Order, Skull & Bones society, Bilderberg group, Nine Unknown Men and the ever-popular Jews. Conspiracy theorists honestly believe that these invisible elites have run thousands of years of history with complex hidden operations but are somehow incapable of killing someone who lives in their parents' basement and shouts on street corners and pounds a keyboard.

My rule of thumb having been involved in and observing government and police operations over many years - never assume malice when incompetence is a much more likely explanation.

And the obsessive search for patterns by conspiracy theorists is a function of something psychologists refer to as "Pareidolia". Basically it is the phenomenon which happens when we perceive recognizable patterns in randomness, even though the patterns really aren't there. For example, random blotches of paint might look like a face, or random noise might sound like a spoken word (or even a full sentence). Our brains are wired this way and for good reason. Our visual and auditory perception is heavily based on pattern recognition. It's what helps us understanding spoken languages, even if it's spoken by different people with different voices, at different speeds and with different accents. It's what helps us recognizing objects even if they have a slightly different shape or colouring which we have never seen before. It's what helps us recognize people and differentiate them from each other. It's what helps us reading written text at amazing speeds by simply scanning the written lines visually (you are doing precisely that right now). In fact, we could probably not even survive without pattern recognition. Pareidolia happens when our brain recognizes, or thinks it recognizes, patterns where there may be only randomness, or in places which are not random per se, but completely unrelated to this purported "pattern". Pareidolia is greatly helped if we are expecting to see a certain pattern. This predisposes our brain to try to recognize that exact thing, making it easier. And if you are a conspiracy theorist you will see these non-existent patterns because you are psychologically disposed to do so.

The conspiracy nuts have much in common in their thought processes with the religious adherents who inhabit another fantasy land where proof is replaced by "faith". If you do not ascribe to a conspiracy (or some species of religion) you are just in denial - they illogically try to turn the argument on its ear. Like those pushing religion, conspiracy nuts adhere to the "true believer" fallacy as in only true believers (God' chosen people, etc.) are capable of seeing "THE TRUTH".
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:50 PM

Judy Clarke, a prominent anti-death penalty lawyer has been added to the defence team of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. She previously represented the Unabomber (Ted Kaczynski) and helped him avoid the death penalty as well as Susan Smith, a woman who famously drowned her two children; Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph; and most recently Jared Loughner, who shot former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head. All received life sentences instead of the death penalty.

A prominent anti-death penalty lawyer who has managed to get life sentences for several high-profile clients, including the Unabomber, has joined the defence team representing the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged with using a weapon of mass destruction during the April 15 marathon. Three people were killed and more than 260 injured when two bombs exploded near the finish line.

A judge on Monday approved the appointment of death penalty expert Judy Clarke to defend 19-year-old Tsarnaev. But judge Marianne Bowler denied, at least for now, a request from Tsarnaev's public defender, Miriam Conrad, to appoint a second death penalty lawyer — David Bruck, a professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/30/boston-suspect-lawyer-death-penalty.html
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:46 AM

Judy Clarke, a prominent anti-death penalty lawyer has been added to the defence team of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. She previously represented the Unabomber (Ted Kaczynski) and helped him avoid the death penalty as well as Susan Smith, a woman who famously drowned her two children; Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph; and most recently Jared Loughner, who shot former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head. All received life sentences instead of the death penalty.

A prominent anti-death penalty lawyer who has managed to get life sentences for several high-profile clients, including the Unabomber, has joined the defence team representing the Boston Marathon bombing suspect.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged with using a weapon of mass destruction during the April 15 marathon. Three people were killed and more than 260 injured when two bombs exploded near the finish line.

A judge on Monday approved the appointment of death penalty expert Judy Clarke to defend 19-year-old Tsarnaev. But judge Marianne Bowler denied, at least for now, a request from Tsarnaev's public defender, Miriam Conrad, to appoint a second death penalty lawyer — David Bruck, a professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...th-penalty.html



i haven't exactly studied this yet, but how can a judge deny the appointment of an attorney? i imagine the kid is indigent. if an attorney wants to work pro bono for him, and he wants that attorney, can a judge stop that? or is it because the attorneys aren't working pro bono and the state will have to pay for them?
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

@BostonGlobe

BREAKING: Boston police report three more arrested in Boston Marathon terror bombings.



@PeteWilliamsNBC reports three people arrested are roommates of Dzokhar Tsarnaev at UMass-Dartmouth


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

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They've been charged with lying to investigators.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:16 AM

3 pals of Boston Marathon bombing suspect charged with coverup


I saw this today.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:24 AM

http://usnews.nbcnew...in=dailynightly
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:26 AM

As is being reported:

Two college friends of the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing were accused Wednesday of trying to cover up his involvement by removing evidence from his dorm room and a third was charged with lying to the FBI.

They were identified as friends of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, who has been charged with carrying out the bombing along with his brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26. The younger brother was a student at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, where he became friends with the three people charged Wednesday.

The friends were identified in a federal complaint as Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov, both 19-year-olds from Kazakhstan who were in the United States on student visas, and Robel Phillipos, 19, of Cambridge, Mass. All are current or former students at U-Mass.-Dartmouth.

The two Kazakhs were accused of removing a laptop computer and a backpack containing empty fireworks from Tsarnaev’s dorm room and throwing them in a dumpster after learning of his suspected involvement in the bombing. Phillipos was charged with lying to federal investigators.
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The three were not accused of involvement in the attack, but a footnote in court papers said that about a month before the bombing, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev that he knew how to make a bomb.

http://www.washingto...6f44_story.html

The alleged post criminal act conduct falls under the categories of accessory after the fact:


Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

~ 18 USC § 3 - Accessory after the fact

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Obstruction of justice is the frustration of governmental purposes by violence, corruption, destruction of evidence, or deceit. It is a federal crime. In fact, it is several crimes. Obstruction prosecutions regularly involve charges under several statutory provisions. Federal obstruction of justice laws are legion; too many for even passing reference to all of them in a single report.

The general obstruction of justice provisions are six: 18 U.S.C. 1512 (tampering with federal witnesses), 1513 (retaliating against federal witnesses), 1503 (obstruction of pending federal court proceedings), 1505 (obstruction of pending Congressional or federal administrative proceedings), 371 (conspiracy), and contempt. In addition to these, there are a host of other statutes that penalize obstruction by violence, corruption, destruction of evidence, or deceit.

http://www.fas.org/s...isc/RS22783.pdf

And under this section - note that while there is no obligation to speak to a FBI agent or law enforcement official, if one does so and makes a false statement that can lead to charges:


(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.


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Following the court appearance of the two accused charged with obstruction of justice, the lawyers denied their clients had any knowledge of the bombing and did not knowingly remove evidence.

Lawyers for two of the newest suspects maintained that their clients did not know about the Boston bombing plans in a televised statement outside the courtroom Wednesday. Robert Stahl, who is representing Dias Kadyrbayev, said that his client is “very sorry for what happened here in Boston and he had nothing to do with it.” Kadyrbayev is accused of obstruction of justice after throwing away evidence from suspected bomber Tsarnaev’s dorm room. But Kadyrbayev’s lawyer says his client “did not know those items were involved in the bombing.” Similarly, lawyer Harlan J. Protass said his client, Azamat Tazhayakov, felt “horrible” and was “shocked” to learn that someone he knew is suspected of carrying out the bombings. “He looks forward to the truth coming out,” Protass added, “and he considers it an honor to study in the United States.”

http://newsfeed.time.../#ixzz2S9aFxgDN

Edited by Wetcoaster, 02 May 2013 - 09:33 AM.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:17 AM

Jeff Bauman, the young man from the iconic picture of the bombing, at the game last night

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:18 AM

It was nice that they invited him there. Great spirit, and awesome to see a smile on his face.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:16 AM

Truly an awesome recovery by this man.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 04:25 PM

Jeff Bauman, the young man from the iconic picture of the bombing, at the game last night

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Hold it is he not a fake Boston Marathon bombing victim according to a number of conspiracy loons?


The New Hampshire state legislator who has said the federal government caused the Boston Marathon bombing claimed proof in a victim who lost both legs and "was not in pain."


State Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) told a conservative talk show host Tuesday that she knows the federal government was behind the attacks because Jeff Bauman, a bombing victim who helped identify the suspects, was not "screaming in agony" after both his legs were blown off. Tremblay made the comments on The Pete Santilli Show, first reported by miscellanyblue.com, a liberal-leaning website, on Wednesday.



"Then, my first gut reaction seeing the horror of that person that has their legs blown off," Tremblay said. "You know, the bone sticking out? He was not in shock. I looked and I thought, there’s something. … I don’t know what’s wrong, but it seems surreal to me. I talked to my sister, who’s not into politics at all, and she said, 'Yes, I saw the same thing.' He was not in shock. He was not in pain. If I had had those type of injuries, I’d be screaming in agony."

Tremblay, a tea party member with ties to the birther movement, made the remarks about Bauman after causing a stir with her marathon bombing government conspiracy theory. She said photos of the bombing showed intact backpacks, which she said should have been destroyed if they contained bombs. Last week, she posted a comment on Glenn Beck's Facebook page saying the federal government caused the bombing. She has resisted calls to resign over the post.

During the interview with Santilli, Tremblay said she should not get all the credit for linking the government to the bombing. She said a constituent had pointed her to the information. She said she previously trusted the federal government.

Tremblay also praised a YouTube video featuring a man who says he's retired Army Lt. Col. Roy Potter, claiming the federal government was behind the attack. Tremblay said Potter looks honest when he asserts the bombing motive was to divert attention from a pending indictment of President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush for war crimes, along with a drop in the price of gold and government dysfunction.

Potter says on the video that the federal government had planned to pin the marathon bombing on a "right wing extremist helped by al Qaeda," but dropped the plan after being discovered.

“The people who bringing this information out are endangering their lives," Potter said.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 04:31 PM

Hold it is he not a fake Boston Marathon bombing victim according to a number of conspiracy loons?


The New Hampshire state legislator who has said the federal government caused the Boston Marathon bombing claimed proof in a victim who lost both legs and "was not in pain."



Yup! that same guy! It's one thing when it's internet warriors in their mothers' basements (as we've seen in this thread), but it's actually quite frighting that someone who was elected would be that crazy. Oh well, she won't be in office for long.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:47 PM

For that crazy post about the women in green tossing the "detonator"
REALLY?

If they were to create a real hoax, they would not detonate it from 10-15 feet away from the site, they would be in some place far far from the site, and not out in public.

Stupidity.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

For that crazy post about the women in green tossing the "detonator"
REALLY?

If they were to create a real hoax, they would not detonate it from 10-15 feet away from the site, they would be in some place far far from the site, and not out in public.

Stupidity.


What are the chances she's blond and wearing green?

Wait I'm blond OMG.

*stomps off to turn self in*

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

For that crazy post about the women in green tossing the "detonator"
REALLY?

If they were to create a real hoax, they would not detonate it from 10-15 feet away from the site, they would be in some place far far from the site, and not out in public.

Stupidity.


That video was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. It really makes me feel sad for these nuts - the world must be such a terrifying place for them :(

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

For that crazy post about the women in green tossing the "detonator"
REALLY?

If they were to create a real hoax, they would not detonate it from 10-15 feet away from the site, they would be in some place far far from the site, and not out in public.

Stupidity.


Like EOTM said in the thread that was locked: It looked a lot like a water bottle to me. Probably about 20,000 of those were tossed around that day....
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:27 PM

For that crazy post about the women in green tossing the "detonator"
REALLY?

If they were to create a real hoax, they would not detonate it from 10-15 feet away from the site, they would be in some place far far from the site, and not out in public.

Stupidity.


SHEEP!! Do you always believe what your eyes see? The only way to see clearly is to close your eyes and watch the video again while imagining AJ tells only the truth and nothing but the truth!

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:42 AM

Keep attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. Par for the course.


It's a stupid message. The people running that drill also risked their own lives by running towards the explosion to help the injured.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:09 AM

SHEEP!! Do you always believe what your eyes see? The only way to see clearly is to close your eyes and watch the video again while imagining AJ tells only the truth and nothing but the truth!

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:45 AM

Watch Live: Final Boston Bombing Victim Released, Speaks at Hospital.

http://abcn.ws/livenews2

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

Boston fire chief resigns, citing criticism from deputies about marathon bombing response.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:34 PM

Watch Live: Final Boston Bombing Victim Released, Speaks at Hospital.

http://abcn.ws/livenews2

any video link to this?

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 11:18 AM

Boston bombing suspect Tsarnaev indicted by federal grand jury.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 11:26 AM

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#BREAKING: Surviving suspect in #BostonMarathon bombings indicted on 30 charges. The 19-yo could get life in prison or death penalty

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:39 PM

Death.




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