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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

The Catholic Church - No Child's Behind Left

Thank you Hitch. I'm done with all this bull crap for now. It bores me to tears.
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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:38 PM

No...I'm actually not. You're the one trying to "justify" this reprehensible behavior by asking "what does the bible say about it" or inferring that I think non catholics are angels without sin..well since "sin" was an invention of the Catholic church in the first place...and it's "capisce"...not kapisch. Capisce?

PS: I'm nonreligious...so **** what the bible says about it.


guess what i'm not that religious myself but i respect people who believe in it and don't throw them all under the bus. since you like to revert to the F bomb already [pretty early to do that bro, sign of weakness] what's next "yo momma jokes"?

For the record...if my kid got raped by a priest...I'd be murdering a priest...I wouldn't be calling the police who likely would take the side of the church to start with.


but of course they would. you're not assuming that or anything.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:40 PM

The Catholic Church - No Child's Behind Left

Thank you Hitch. I'm done with all this bull crap for now. It bores me to tears.



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:43 PM

guess what i'm not that religious myself but i respect people who believe in it and don't throw them all under the bus. since you like to revert to the F bomb already [pretty early to do that bro, sign of weakness] what's next "yo momma jokes"?



but of course they would. you're not assuming that or anything.


One last comment. I respect the believers for being so incredibly steadfast in what they believe that they actually eschew real science in favor of pseudoscience and downright absurdities like the Creation myth...but I do NOT respect the belief. The belief is immature and highly illogical.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 08:46 PM

42 is a number to be added to the genocidial war crimes that the previous American Administration under Bush and Cheney should be on trial for at the war crimes tribunal.


and it is so polarizing that I'm just blown away by the sheer number of people giving Bush and Cheney a virtual free pass for those atrocities...why do they get a free pass,

but Bush and Cheney I agree with you at the very LEAST should have been tried for war crimes...and if anyone had any balls in this world...if the UN had any balls...that's exactly what would have happened.



This is why...

They cannot be prosecuted for war crimes at least their initial war crimes as before the invasions took place they applied for and got exemptions for prosecutions for war crimes.


Americans Spared War Crimes Court
Associated Press
October 1, 2002
Defusing a trans-Atlantic spat, the European Union agreed Monday to spare U.S. citizens the fate of standing trial on war crimes charges in the newly created International Criminal Court. Human rights groups denounced the move as caving in to American pressure at the expense of the war crimes tribunal.
The EU foreign ministers agreed on a deal preventing them from extraditing U.S. soldiers or government officials to the ICC provided Washington guarantees any Americans suspected of war crimes will be tried in the United States.

The Bush administration has asked for a blanket exemption, fearing Americans would face cavalier, politically motivated trials stemming from peacekeeping or other military operations in areas of war or crisis.

Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller, the meeting's chairman, said existing extradition agreements and principles will be strictly applied, foregoing the need of new bilateral accords with Washington. ``There is no concession,'' he said, responding to accusations of a sellout. ``There is no undermining of the International Criminal Court.''

http://www.globalpol.../164/28396.html

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As unbelievable as that sounds it's true. Kind of like if I applied to the police for an exemption against prosecution for bank robberies. What would a reasonable person suspect I might be planning to do?

This exemption ran out in mid 2004. By then two countries had been invaded and were mired in unimaginable chaos. The Bush administration abandoned their bid to extend the exemption when it became clear their strong arm tactics would no longer work.
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 10:07 PM

Just fracking brutal! :sadno:
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

Guess which explosion today is going to be considered by the news the more serious tragedy?


Well, something like that happening in Iraq is just so....mundane!
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

One last comment. I respect the believers for being so incredibly steadfast in what they believe that they actually eschew real science in favor of pseudoscience and downright absurdities like the Creation myth...but I do NOT respect the belief. The belief is immature and highly illogical.


Condescension is ok if it's passed off as respect.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:00 AM

Condescension is ok if it's passed off as respect.

Got it.


you know what...I was trying to be kind in that statement...even as much as my fingers and my brain were poised to go on a rant...but since you brought it up.

GE 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth." (One might ask what "existed," and where God dwelt, before he created heaven and earth. Of course, if God were pure spirit the question could be considered moot, but inasmuch as the God of the Bible allegedly participated in a wrestling match, ate solid food, was seen face to face, spoke with Moses, etc., it would seem that he possesses physical attributes, including form.)

(Note: Some biblicists contend that biblical chronology fixes the date of creation at 4004 B.C. thereby making the earth about six thousand years old. Some present-day creationists stubbornly adhere to a young earth timetable in spite of overwhelming evidence that the earth is actually billions of years old.)
GE 1:3-5, 14-19 There was light ("night and day") before there was a sun. (Note: If there were no sun, there would be no night or day. Also, light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years.)
GE 1:12, 16 Plants began to grow before there was sunlight.
GE 1:29 Every plant and tree which yield seed are given to us by God as good to eat. (Note: This would include poisonous plants such as hemlock, buckeye pod, nightshade, oleander.)
GE 2:15-23, 3:1-5, 1TI 2:14 Eve was created after Adam had already been given the prohibition about eating the forbidden fruit. Eve believed the serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures) when he assured her that she would become wise and would not die if she ate the fruit. Eve has been blamed for causing Adam to fall, and ultimately for the fall of mankind. (Note: Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve would have had no knowledge of right and wrong; they would not have known that it was a sin to disobey God or to obey the serpent. After they ate the forbidden fruit, God placed a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life" to keep them from eating its fruit. He could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" before Adam and Eve disobeyed. In addition, even though the prohibition regarding the forbidden fruit was made to Adam before Eve came on the scene, Eve has been blamed for the Fall; 1TI 2:14 says: "... Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.")
GE 3:1-5 The serpent speaks human language (presumably Hebrew).
GE 3:14-16 God curses the serpent, Eve, and Adam for what they have done. (Note: This is inconsistent with God's omniscience; God should have known full well, ahead of time, what the outcome would be. Since God created the three as well as the Tree of Knowledge, he is ultimately responsible for the Fall.)
GE 3:14 The serpent eats dust for the rest of his life (by command of God).
GE 4:15 A mark is placed on Cain as a distinctive identifying symbol when there were only three (known) persons on earth.
GE 4:17 Cain builds and populates a whole city in only two generations.
GE 6:4 There were giants on the earth at one time. (Note: No evidence exists to supports this assertion.)
GE 6:5 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All living things including plants, animals, women and innocent children are also exterminated. (Note: This is like burning down a house to rid it of mice.)
GE 6:15 The size of Noah's Ark was such that there would be about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 species to be taken aboard.
GE 7:17-19 The flood covered the entire earth at the same time. (Note: There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather of many, widespread, but local floods.)
GE 7:19-20 The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits (twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.(Note: This would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of about 6 inches per minute, 360 inches per hour, 8640 inches per day--for 40 days and nights--so as to cover the entire earth with an endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft. Mt. Everest under 22 ft. of water. How did the author know the depth of the water? Did Noah take soundings? And where has all this water gone?)
GE 8:20 Noah's first recorded action following the flood is to sacrifice one of every clean animal and bird. (Since so few animals were saved, this could be considered rather wasteful and defeating--especially given that the stated purpose of taking the animals aboard the Ark was to keep them alive [GE 6:20]. To see a discussion of the various ways this verse can be interpreted, and in turn the different ways to approach the Bible generally, see addendum.)
GE 8:21 The odor of Noah's sacrifices was pleasing to the Lord.
GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. (Note: Apparently the laws having to do with refraction of light were null and void prior to this time.)
GE 18:1, 7-8 God eats solid food with Abraham.
GE 30:37-43 Jacob alters the genetic characteristics of cattle by letting them view a striped rod. (Note: His purpose in doing so was to fleece Laban of his cattle.)
GE 32:24-30 God takes part in a wrestling match. He wins by injuring Jacob's hip.
GE 38:27-29 Twins are being delivered. One puts out his hand and the midwife binds it with a scarlet ribbon to identify him as the firstborn. But he draws back his hand, and his brother is born first (thereby obtaining the rights of the firstborn son).
EX 4:24 The Lord sought to kill Moses (one of his own prophets.)
EX 12:30 The Lord kills all the first-born of Egypt and there is not a house where there is not at least one dead. (This means that there was not a house in Egypt that did not include at least one first-born---a most unusual situation.)
EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as about 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of more than 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt at a time when the whole population of Egypt was less than 2,000,000.
EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek.
DT 25:19 "... you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget."
(That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)
EX 28:34-35 Entering the holy place without wearing bells can result in death.
LE 11:20-21 There are winged creatures (birds or insects) that go around on all fours. (Note: There are no birds that go around on four legs, and all insects have six or eight legs.)
LE 11:6 (States, incorrectly, that the rabbit, or hare, chews its cud.)
LE 14:33-57 God himself believes that a house or clothes can have leprosy and he details the remedy.
LE 14:49-53 The cure for leprosy involves incantations and the blood of a bird.
NU 11:31-33 A "wind from the Lord" brings such an abundance of quail that "he who gathered the least gathered ten homers," or about 62 bushels. Altogether, this would have been enough to fill several thousand boxcars. Unfortunately, it was immediately followed by a great plague (food poisoning?) from the Lord.
NU 22:21-30 A donkey sees an angel, recognizes it as such, and then speaks in human language (presumably Hebrew) to his master.
DT 1:1 Moses speaks to "all" of Israel, perhaps 2,000,000 people (see EX 12:37 above).
DT 2:14 All of the "men of war"--some 600,000--who left Egypt in the Exodus were dead just thirty-eight years later. (See EX 12:37 above.)
DT 7:15 Moses promises his people that the Lord will take away all sickness.
DT 25:5-9 A man has an obligation to produce a child with his brother's widow. If he refuses, his sister-in-law is to spit in his face in front of the elders.
JS 10:12-14 God obliges Joshua by making the sun and moon stand still (so that he can finish his battle by daylight).
JG 3:21-22 (KJV) "Ehud ... took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out."
JG 7:12 The camels were without number as the sand of the sea.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:17-22 Samson loses his strength as a result of having his head shaved. (Note: This is not psychosomatic since he began to lose his strength while he was still asleep.)
JG 20:16 There were seven hundred men who were left handed and could sling a stone at a hair and not miss.
1SA 5:8-9 God causes "emerods" (hemorrhoids or tumors) amongst the Philistines (who have captured the Ark of the Covenant, where God was thought to reside).
1SA 13:5 The Philistines had "... troops like the sand on the seashore in multitude."
1SA 16:14-23 Evil spirits can come from God (and be exorcised with God's help).
1KI 3:12, 16-28 Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, can think of no better way to determine the natural mother of a child in dispute than to threaten to divide the child in half. (Note: This does not take into account the possibility of mental derangement on the part of the natural mother.)
1KI 4:29 God gave Solomon wisdom as measureless as the sand on the seashore.
1KI 6:2, 2CH 3:3 Solomon's temple was only about ninety feet long by thirty feet wide, yet:
1KI 5:15-16 153,300 persons were employed to build it.
1KI 6:38 It took seven years to build.
1CH 22:14 ~7,500,000 lbs. of gold and ~75,000,000 lbs. of silver were used.
1CH 23:4 24,000 supervisors and 6,000 officials and judges were employed to manage it. (Note: Inasmuch as there seems to be uncertainty as to the exact weight of the biblical talent, some estimates place the weight of gold at more than 13,000,000 lbs. and the weight of silver at more than 116,000,000 lbs.)
1KI 10:24 The whole world sought an audience with Solomon to hear his wisdom.
1KI 17:2-6 The Lord commands ravens to bring bread and meat to Elijah.
1KI 18:33-38 Fire consumes wet wood, stones, and dust, and "licks up" water.
2KI 6:5-7 An iron axe head "swims" (or floats).
2CH 9:23 All the kings on earth sought the presence of Solomon to hear his wisdom.
2KI 13:21 A man who is being buried comes alive after touching the bones of Elisha.
2KI 16:2, 20, 18:1-2 Ahaz was thirty-six years old when he died. His twenty-five year old son Hezekiah succeeded him. Thus Ahaz was a ten or eleven year old father.
2KI 19:35 (KJV) "...the angel of the Lord...smote...an hundred four score and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning ... they were all dead...."
2KI 20:11 The shadow on a sun dial moves backwards.
2CH 7:5, 8-9 Solomon sacrificed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep in one week. This is 845+ animals per hour, 14+ animals per minute, for seven days straight.
2CH 21:20, 22:1-2 Ahaziah was forty-two when he became king; he succeeded his father, who died at the age of forty. Thus, Ahaziah was two years older than his father. [Note: Some translations use "twenty-two" here in an attempt to rectify this discrepancy. The Hebrew is clear, however, that 2CH 22:2 is 42. The Hebrew words involved are Strong's H705 and H8147, "forty" and "two," respectively.]
2CH 13:3 Abijah sent 400,000 men into battle against Jeroboam's 800,000 men. This is a total of 1,200,000 men, all of them Jews. (Note: Assuming one additional woman per man of fighting age, plus two persons per man [either older persons or children] would put the Jewish population of the surrounding area at a minimum of 4,800,000 persons; hardly feasible.)
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slain in a single battle. (Note: This is more than were lost in any single battle of World War II, and even exceeds the number of deaths that resulted from the dropping of the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.)
ES 6:6, JB 19:27, PS 7:9, 16:7, 73:21, PR 23:7, 16, IS 10:7, JE 11:20, 17:10, 20:12, MT 9:4, LK 2:19, 9:47, AC 8:22, RO 10:9-10, HE 4:12, RE 2:23 (See KJV especially.) Thought occurs in the heart. The kidneys ("reins") are the seat of conscience.(Note: This is not merely a poetic use of these terms, as is now claimed. In early times, it was actually believed that various body organs other than the brain were responsible for our thoughts, feelings, actions and the like. The heart was believed to be the seat of thought processes and beliefs, while the kidneys were thought to be the seat of conscience.)
JB 9:6 (KJV) God shakes the earth out of its place and makes its pillars tremble.
JB 9:7 God can make the sun not rise and seal up the stars.
JB 28:28, PS 111:10, PR 1:7, 9:10, 15:33, IS 33:6 Fear of the Lord is equated with obtaining wisdom.
PS 121:6 It is apparently possible to suffer moonstroke as well as sunstroke.
PR 19:23, 22:4 Fear of the Lord brings freedom from trouble(s). Humility and fear of the Lord bring wealth, honor, and life.
PR 20:30 Blows that wound cleanse away evil.
IS 30:26 The moon will someday be as bright as the sun now is. (Note: Until relatively recent times, the moon and the planets were thought to give off their own light.)
IS 38:8 The shadow of the Sun is made to move backwards.
IS 40:22 The earth is a circle. (Note: The earth is really a sphere, not a circle, and this verse does not imply a sphere as some believers like to infer.)
JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 Jeremiah says that the Lord deceived his own prophet. God himself says that he deceives his own prophets in order to get rid of them.
EZ 37:1-10 Dry bones come alive.
AM 8:9 The Sun will be made to set at noon in "clear day."
MT 4:8 There is a high mountain from which all the kingdoms of the world can be seen. (Note: This implies a flat earth.)
MT 4:23-24, 9:32-33, 12:22, 17:14-18, MK 1:23-26, 32-34, 5:2-16, 9:17-29, 16:9, LK 11:14, 4:33-35, 8:2, 27-36, 9:38-42, AC 8:7, 16:16-18 Both physical and mental illness are caused by demon possession and can be cured by exorcism.
MT 7:7-8, LK 11:9-10 Ask and it will be given. Seek and you will find. Everyone who asks, receives.
MT 13:41 Jesus will send his angels to purge his kingdom of evildoers and sin. (Note: How did evildoers get into his kingdom in the first place?)
MT 17:20, 21:21, MK 9:23, 10:27, 11:23, LK 17:6 Faith can move mountains. Nothing is impossible if you have faith [as small as] a grain of mustard seed.
MT 18:19 If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them.
MT 21:22, MK 11:24 Whatever you ask in prayer, if you have faith, you will receive it.
MT 24:29-30 Although the sun and the moon have been darkened and the stars have fallen from heaven, there is still enough light to see.
MT 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by it.
MT 27:52-53 The bodies of dead saints arise and go in force in the city.
MK 11:12-14, 20-21 Jesus curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. (Note: Rather than cause the fig tree to wither and to bear fruit never again, he could have performed a miracle and made it bear fruit even out of season.)
MK 16:17-18 Those who believe are able to handle snakes and drink any deadly poison without suffering harm.
LK 1:39-42 The fetus in Elizabeth's womb jumps for joy when Elizabeth hears Mary (who is pregnant with Jesus).
LK 22:28-30 Jesus assigns each of his twelve disciples (including Judas, his betrayer) a place (or throne) in his kingdom.
JN 6:24-30 A large crowd of persons (probably several thousand) asks Jesus for a sign so that they might see and believe. This occurs immediately following the Feeding of the Multitude which should have been one of the greatest miracles and most convincing signs of all time.
JN 8:51 Jesus says: "... if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
JN 12:34 A crowd of persons (speaking in unison?) asks Jesus a thirty word question.
JN 16:23 Jesus says: "Whatever you ask in my name, my Father will give you."
RO 10:17-18, CN 1:23 The gospel had already been preached to every living creature even in Paul's time.
2CO 12:2 There are at least three heavens.
2CO 12:4 There are things which cannot be told--things which man cannot utter.
GA 1:8-9 An angel (from God?) who preaches a gospel contrary to that of Paul will incur Paul's wrath.
1TI 5:11 Younger widows want to marry because their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ.
1TI 6:10 The love of money is the root of all evil(s). (Note: Some translations emend the text to read, "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evils," or something similar, in an attempt to ameliorate an obvious problem. Those additional words are not there in the Greek of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.)
TS 1:12 "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars ...." (Figure the logic of this verse--if you can!)
HE 7:1-3 Melchizedek had no mother or father, no beginning or end.
RE 14:1-4 Heaven is to be inhabited in part by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women.
RE 21:16 The city of New Jerusalem (where the residents of heaven reside) is only about 1500 miles square.

So myself...as a logical and rational thinker...I look at this list of absurdities and frankly impossibilities (if this work was supposedly "ghostwritten" by god..and is perfect and infallible) and my BS detector goes off. The steadfast believer reads these things, and because it's written in their text, they don't give it a second thought. That is BLIND faith and is very dangerous. I compare it to when I ask the neocon christians around here. I ask..."Do you believe in Bigfoot, UFOS, aliens, etc?" The answer is almost always "There ain't no proof of any of those things" to which I reply.."Well there ain't no proof that anything in the bible ever existed either" and they become UNGLUED. It's like when people join a cult and they lose all grip on reality. Now, naturally, if you don't have enough evidence of the existence of something..it kind of hurts its credibility....but for some inexplicable reason...when it's religions or gods that are involved...people stop thinking rationally and will eschew the lack of evidence in favor of faith...which is foolish, in my opinion. If you are going to tell me that you don't believe in ghosts or UFOS or aliens or Bigfoot because there "ain't no proof" yet get angry and bent out of shape when I make an observation like "there ain't no proof of god either" you (universal you) have clearly lost your grip on reality.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:18 AM

It's interesting, there were many charismatic exorcists and miracle workers, healers, sages and holy men around in this era of Jesus. He just happened to be the Wayne Gretzky of his calling.. Two others of note were Apollonius of Tyana and Paul of Tarsus. The link included provides a table comparing the careers of these three contemporaries. That Jesus' legend and works should live on for two thousand years is quite impressive.

Table comparing the lives and works of Apollonius, Jesus, and Paul. Interesting stuff:

http://www.truthbekn...apollonius.html
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:23 AM

you know what...I was trying to be kind in that statement...even as much as my fingers and my brain were poised to go on a rant...but since you brought it up.

GE 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth." (One might ask what "existed," and where God dwelt, before he created heaven and earth. Of course, if God were pure spirit the question could be considered moot, but inasmuch as the God of the Bible allegedly participated in a wrestling match, ate solid food, was seen face to face, spoke with Moses, etc., it would seem that he possesses physical attributes, including form.)

(Note: Some biblicists contend that biblical chronology fixes the date of creation at 4004 B.C. thereby making the earth about six thousand years old. Some present-day creationists stubbornly adhere to a young earth timetable in spite of overwhelming evidence that the earth is actually billions of years old.)
GE 1:3-5, 14-19 There was light ("night and day") before there was a sun. (Note: If there were no sun, there would be no night or day. Also, light from the newly created heavenly bodies seems to have reached the earth instantaneously though it now takes thousands or millions of years.)
GE 1:12, 16 Plants began to grow before there was sunlight.
GE 1:29 Every plant and tree which yield seed are given to us by God as good to eat. (Note: This would include poisonous plants such as hemlock, buckeye pod, nightshade, oleander.)
GE 2:15-23, 3:1-5, 1TI 2:14 Eve was created after Adam had already been given the prohibition about eating the forbidden fruit. Eve believed the serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures) when he assured her that she would become wise and would not die if she ate the fruit. Eve has been blamed for causing Adam to fall, and ultimately for the fall of mankind. (Note: Prior to eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve would have had no knowledge of right and wrong; they would not have known that it was a sin to disobey God or to obey the serpent. After they ate the forbidden fruit, God placed a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life" to keep them from eating its fruit. He could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" before Adam and Eve disobeyed. In addition, even though the prohibition regarding the forbidden fruit was made to Adam before Eve came on the scene, Eve has been blamed for the Fall; 1TI 2:14 says: "... Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.")
GE 3:1-5 The serpent speaks human language (presumably Hebrew).
GE 3:14-16 God curses the serpent, Eve, and Adam for what they have done. (Note: This is inconsistent with God's omniscience; God should have known full well, ahead of time, what the outcome would be. Since God created the three as well as the Tree of Knowledge, he is ultimately responsible for the Fall.)
GE 3:14 The serpent eats dust for the rest of his life (by command of God).
GE 4:15 A mark is placed on Cain as a distinctive identifying symbol when there were only three (known) persons on earth.
GE 4:17 Cain builds and populates a whole city in only two generations.
GE 6:4 There were giants on the earth at one time. (Note: No evidence exists to supports this assertion.)
GE 6:5 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to flood the earth to eliminate mankind. All living things including plants, animals, women and innocent children are also exterminated. (Note: This is like burning down a house to rid it of mice.)
GE 6:15 The size of Noah's Ark was such that there would be about one and a half cubic feet for each pair of the 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 species to be taken aboard.
GE 7:17-19 The flood covered the entire earth at the same time. (Note: There is no evidence of a worldwide flood, but rather of many, widespread, but local floods.)
GE 7:19-20 The flood covered the earth with water fifteen cubits (twenty plus feet) above the highest mountains.(Note: This would require steady, worldwide rainfall at the rate of about 6 inches per minute, 360 inches per hour, 8640 inches per day--for 40 days and nights--so as to cover the entire earth with an endless ocean 5 miles deep, thus burying 29,000 ft. Mt. Everest under 22 ft. of water. How did the author know the depth of the water? Did Noah take soundings? And where has all this water gone?)
GE 8:20 Noah's first recorded action following the flood is to sacrifice one of every clean animal and bird. (Since so few animals were saved, this could be considered rather wasteful and defeating--especially given that the stated purpose of taking the animals aboard the Ark was to keep them alive [GE 6:20]. To see a discussion of the various ways this verse can be interpreted, and in turn the different ways to approach the Bible generally, see addendum.)
GE 8:21 The odor of Noah's sacrifices was pleasing to the Lord.
GE 9:12-16 God first creates the rainbow. (Note: Apparently the laws having to do with refraction of light were null and void prior to this time.)
GE 18:1, 7-8 God eats solid food with Abraham.
GE 30:37-43 Jacob alters the genetic characteristics of cattle by letting them view a striped rod. (Note: His purpose in doing so was to fleece Laban of his cattle.)
GE 32:24-30 God takes part in a wrestling match. He wins by injuring Jacob's hip.
GE 38:27-29 Twins are being delivered. One puts out his hand and the midwife binds it with a scarlet ribbon to identify him as the firstborn. But he draws back his hand, and his brother is born first (thereby obtaining the rights of the firstborn son).
EX 4:24 The Lord sought to kill Moses (one of his own prophets.)
EX 12:30 The Lord kills all the first-born of Egypt and there is not a house where there is not at least one dead. (This means that there was not a house in Egypt that did not include at least one first-born---a most unusual situation.)
EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as about 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of more than 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt at a time when the whole population of Egypt was less than 2,000,000.
EX 17:14 God says that he will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek.
DT 25:19 "... you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you must not forget."
(That remembrance is now permanently preserved in the Bible.)
EX 28:34-35 Entering the holy place without wearing bells can result in death.
LE 11:20-21 There are winged creatures (birds or insects) that go around on all fours. (Note: There are no birds that go around on four legs, and all insects have six or eight legs.)
LE 11:6 (States, incorrectly, that the rabbit, or hare, chews its cud.)
LE 14:33-57 God himself believes that a house or clothes can have leprosy and he details the remedy.
LE 14:49-53 The cure for leprosy involves incantations and the blood of a bird.
NU 11:31-33 A "wind from the Lord" brings such an abundance of quail that "he who gathered the least gathered ten homers," or about 62 bushels. Altogether, this would have been enough to fill several thousand boxcars. Unfortunately, it was immediately followed by a great plague (food poisoning?) from the Lord.
NU 22:21-30 A donkey sees an angel, recognizes it as such, and then speaks in human language (presumably Hebrew) to his master.
DT 1:1 Moses speaks to "all" of Israel, perhaps 2,000,000 people (see EX 12:37 above).
DT 2:14 All of the "men of war"--some 600,000--who left Egypt in the Exodus were dead just thirty-eight years later. (See EX 12:37 above.)
DT 7:15 Moses promises his people that the Lord will take away all sickness.
DT 25:5-9 A man has an obligation to produce a child with his brother's widow. If he refuses, his sister-in-law is to spit in his face in front of the elders.
JS 10:12-14 God obliges Joshua by making the sun and moon stand still (so that he can finish his battle by daylight).
JG 3:21-22 (KJV) "Ehud ... took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out."
JG 7:12 The camels were without number as the sand of the sea.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:17-22 Samson loses his strength as a result of having his head shaved. (Note: This is not psychosomatic since he began to lose his strength while he was still asleep.)
JG 20:16 There were seven hundred men who were left handed and could sling a stone at a hair and not miss.
1SA 5:8-9 God causes "emerods" (hemorrhoids or tumors) amongst the Philistines (who have captured the Ark of the Covenant, where God was thought to reside).
1SA 13:5 The Philistines had "... troops like the sand on the seashore in multitude."
1SA 16:14-23 Evil spirits can come from God (and be exorcised with God's help).
1KI 3:12, 16-28 Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, can think of no better way to determine the natural mother of a child in dispute than to threaten to divide the child in half. (Note: This does not take into account the possibility of mental derangement on the part of the natural mother.)
1KI 4:29 God gave Solomon wisdom as measureless as the sand on the seashore.
1KI 6:2, 2CH 3:3 Solomon's temple was only about ninety feet long by thirty feet wide, yet:
1KI 5:15-16 153,300 persons were employed to build it.
1KI 6:38 It took seven years to build.
1CH 22:14 ~7,500,000 lbs. of gold and ~75,000,000 lbs. of silver were used.
1CH 23:4 24,000 supervisors and 6,000 officials and judges were employed to manage it. (Note: Inasmuch as there seems to be uncertainty as to the exact weight of the biblical talent, some estimates place the weight of gold at more than 13,000,000 lbs. and the weight of silver at more than 116,000,000 lbs.)
1KI 10:24 The whole world sought an audience with Solomon to hear his wisdom.
1KI 17:2-6 The Lord commands ravens to bring bread and meat to Elijah.
1KI 18:33-38 Fire consumes wet wood, stones, and dust, and "licks up" water.
2KI 6:5-7 An iron axe head "swims" (or floats).
2CH 9:23 All the kings on earth sought the presence of Solomon to hear his wisdom.
2KI 13:21 A man who is being buried comes alive after touching the bones of Elisha.
2KI 16:2, 20, 18:1-2 Ahaz was thirty-six years old when he died. His twenty-five year old son Hezekiah succeeded him. Thus Ahaz was a ten or eleven year old father.
2KI 19:35 (KJV) "...the angel of the Lord...smote...an hundred four score and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning ... they were all dead...."
2KI 20:11 The shadow on a sun dial moves backwards.
2CH 7:5, 8-9 Solomon sacrificed 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep in one week. This is 845+ animals per hour, 14+ animals per minute, for seven days straight.
2CH 21:20, 22:1-2 Ahaziah was forty-two when he became king; he succeeded his father, who died at the age of forty. Thus, Ahaziah was two years older than his father. [Note: Some translations use "twenty-two" here in an attempt to rectify this discrepancy. The Hebrew is clear, however, that 2CH 22:2 is 42. The Hebrew words involved are Strong's H705 and H8147, "forty" and "two," respectively.]
2CH 13:3 Abijah sent 400,000 men into battle against Jeroboam's 800,000 men. This is a total of 1,200,000 men, all of them Jews. (Note: Assuming one additional woman per man of fighting age, plus two persons per man [either older persons or children] would put the Jewish population of the surrounding area at a minimum of 4,800,000 persons; hardly feasible.)
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slain in a single battle. (Note: This is more than were lost in any single battle of World War II, and even exceeds the number of deaths that resulted from the dropping of the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.)
ES 6:6, JB 19:27, PS 7:9, 16:7, 73:21, PR 23:7, 16, IS 10:7, JE 11:20, 17:10, 20:12, MT 9:4, LK 2:19, 9:47, AC 8:22, RO 10:9-10, HE 4:12, RE 2:23 (See KJV especially.) Thought occurs in the heart. The kidneys ("reins") are the seat of conscience.(Note: This is not merely a poetic use of these terms, as is now claimed. In early times, it was actually believed that various body organs other than the brain were responsible for our thoughts, feelings, actions and the like. The heart was believed to be the seat of thought processes and beliefs, while the kidneys were thought to be the seat of conscience.)
JB 9:6 (KJV) God shakes the earth out of its place and makes its pillars tremble.
JB 9:7 God can make the sun not rise and seal up the stars.
JB 28:28, PS 111:10, PR 1:7, 9:10, 15:33, IS 33:6 Fear of the Lord is equated with obtaining wisdom.
PS 121:6 It is apparently possible to suffer moonstroke as well as sunstroke.
PR 19:23, 22:4 Fear of the Lord brings freedom from trouble(s). Humility and fear of the Lord bring wealth, honor, and life.
PR 20:30 Blows that wound cleanse away evil.
IS 30:26 The moon will someday be as bright as the sun now is. (Note: Until relatively recent times, the moon and the planets were thought to give off their own light.)
IS 38:8 The shadow of the Sun is made to move backwards.
IS 40:22 The earth is a circle. (Note: The earth is really a sphere, not a circle, and this verse does not imply a sphere as some believers like to infer.)
JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 Jeremiah says that the Lord deceived his own prophet. God himself says that he deceives his own prophets in order to get rid of them.
EZ 37:1-10 Dry bones come alive.
AM 8:9 The Sun will be made to set at noon in "clear day."
MT 4:8 There is a high mountain from which all the kingdoms of the world can be seen. (Note: This implies a flat earth.)
MT 4:23-24, 9:32-33, 12:22, 17:14-18, MK 1:23-26, 32-34, 5:2-16, 9:17-29, 16:9, LK 11:14, 4:33-35, 8:2, 27-36, 9:38-42, AC 8:7, 16:16-18 Both physical and mental illness are caused by demon possession and can be cured by exorcism.
MT 7:7-8, LK 11:9-10 Ask and it will be given. Seek and you will find. Everyone who asks, receives.
MT 13:41 Jesus will send his angels to purge his kingdom of evildoers and sin. (Note: How did evildoers get into his kingdom in the first place?)
MT 17:20, 21:21, MK 9:23, 10:27, 11:23, LK 17:6 Faith can move mountains. Nothing is impossible if you have faith [as small as] a grain of mustard seed.
MT 18:19 If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them.
MT 21:22, MK 11:24 Whatever you ask in prayer, if you have faith, you will receive it.
MT 24:29-30 Although the sun and the moon have been darkened and the stars have fallen from heaven, there is still enough light to see.
MT 26:52 All who take the sword will perish by it.
MT 27:52-53 The bodies of dead saints arise and go in force in the city.
MK 11:12-14, 20-21 Jesus curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. (Note: Rather than cause the fig tree to wither and to bear fruit never again, he could have performed a miracle and made it bear fruit even out of season.)
MK 16:17-18 Those who believe are able to handle snakes and drink any deadly poison without suffering harm.
LK 1:39-42 The fetus in Elizabeth's womb jumps for joy when Elizabeth hears Mary (who is pregnant with Jesus).
LK 22:28-30 Jesus assigns each of his twelve disciples (including Judas, his betrayer) a place (or throne) in his kingdom.
JN 6:24-30 A large crowd of persons (probably several thousand) asks Jesus for a sign so that they might see and believe. This occurs immediately following the Feeding of the Multitude which should have been one of the greatest miracles and most convincing signs of all time.
JN 8:51 Jesus says: "... if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
JN 12:34 A crowd of persons (speaking in unison?) asks Jesus a thirty word question.
JN 16:23 Jesus says: "Whatever you ask in my name, my Father will give you."
RO 10:17-18, CN 1:23 The gospel had already been preached to every living creature even in Paul's time.
2CO 12:2 There are at least three heavens.
2CO 12:4 There are things which cannot be told--things which man cannot utter.
GA 1:8-9 An angel (from God?) who preaches a gospel contrary to that of Paul will incur Paul's wrath.
1TI 5:11 Younger widows want to marry because their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ.
1TI 6:10 The love of money is the root of all evil(s). (Note: Some translations emend the text to read, "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evils," or something similar, in an attempt to ameliorate an obvious problem. Those additional words are not there in the Greek of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.)
TS 1:12 "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars ...." (Figure the logic of this verse--if you can!)
HE 7:1-3 Melchizedek had no mother or father, no beginning or end.
RE 14:1-4 Heaven is to be inhabited in part by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women.
RE 21:16 The city of New Jerusalem (where the residents of heaven reside) is only about 1500 miles square.

So myself...as a logical and rational thinker...I look at this list of absurdities and frankly impossibilities (if this work was supposedly "ghostwritten" by god..and is perfect and infallible) and my BS detector goes off. The steadfast believer reads these things, and because it's written in their text, they don't give it a second thought. That is BLIND faith and is very dangerous. I compare it to when I ask the neocon christians around here. I ask..."Do you believe in Bigfoot, UFOS, aliens, etc?" The answer is almost always "There ain't no proof of any of those things" to which I reply.."Well there ain't no proof that anything in the bible ever existed either" and they become UNGLUED. It's like when people join a cult and they lose all grip on reality. Now, naturally, if you don't have enough evidence of the existence of something..it kind of hurts its credibility....but for some inexplicable reason...when it's religions or gods that are involved...people stop thinking rationally and will eschew the lack of evidence in favor of faith...which is foolish, in my opinion. If you are going to tell me that you don't believe in ghosts or UFOS or aliens or Bigfoot because there "ain't no proof" yet get angry and bent out of shape when I make an observation like "there ain't no proof of god either" you (universal you) have clearly lost your grip on reality.


The problem with the local fundies of your area is that they take the Bible literally. It's not meant to be taken at a superficial third-grader level. They need to put on their thinking caps and spend less time floppin' around.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:23 AM

It's interesting, there were many charismatic exorcists and miracle workers, healers, sages and holy men around in this era of Jesus. He just happened to be the Wayne Gretzky of his calling.. Two others of note were Apollonius of Tyana and Paul of Tarsus. The link included provides a table comparing the careers of these three contemporaries. That Jesus' legend and works should live on for two thousand years is quite impressive.

Table comparing the lives and works of Apollonius, Jesus, and Paul. Interesting stuff:

http://www.truthbekn...apollonius.html


Impressive...until you come to the realization that his religion was spread by FORCE. Then it becomes revolting. Oh wow so one mythological character's works live on for a lot longer than the other two. Big whoop. You may as well be telling me Snoopy's works have lived on longer than Woodstock's. All that proves is that there are as many gullible individuals today that buy the crap just as many as there were back then. Although I will give them credit they're not shoving snakes down people's throats anymore that refuse to convert.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:29 AM

The problem with the local fundies of your area is that they take the Bible literally. It's not meant to be taken at a superficial third-grader level. They need to put on their thinking caps and spend less time floppin' around.


The problem with people in general is they assume because there are different interpretations of the bible "literal and figurative" I guess..that this somehow excuses all the atrocities and absurdities contained therein...as in...I'm not REALLY supposed to believe that this book is telling me that plants grew before there was sunlight...when that's EXACTLY what I'm reading?
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:40 AM

Robertino Solarion believes that Jesus was Apollonius of Tyana. Interesting guy.

http://www.bibliotec...or_solarion.htm
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

I once met a guy in a psych ward who thought he was Jesus Christ. Interesting isn't exactly the word I would use to describe him.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:55 AM

He didn't speak with an Aramaic accent did he?
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:58 AM

I'm hoping the Canucks sign Antoine Lageniere

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:05 AM

We should find out today!

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:27 PM

I'd say it's debatable with all the events like this in the world that someone creates a thread about it here to discuss it. Consider gun violence as a further example: how many threads were getting created round gun violence in the US in the last several months? I would doubt the combined total of threads from other areas of the world on gun violence, bombings, war, rape/violence against women matched the total of US gun violence threads.

Is that wrong? Unfortunate, maybe. Wrong, no - but that's not my point, To say people have to pay attention to this at least equally as much as a bombing closer to home is wishful thinking.

Like I already mentioned, you've said you overreacted to at least some responses and there's nothing wrong with the idea of this thread, I only questioned the motivation for posting it.


I've been busy for the past two days, haven't been able to reply.

I'm not saying people should have to pay attention to this equally. I was just trying to say that it would be great for
people to acknowledge the other things that are happening in the world. I didn't make this thread with the idea of
"Hey! Boston isn't the only one who is suffering, look at this!" I made this thread for the people who pray everynight.
To let them know that other people need their prayers too. Both events that happened yesterday were tragic,
neither was more tragic than the other. I understand what you're trying to say. I'm just letting you know that I sure
would have made this thread even if this happened two days ago, two weeks ago, or two months ago.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:31 PM

Well, something like that happening in Iraq is just so....mundane!


Yeah but only after the US arrived...
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:42 PM

I've been busy for the past two days, haven't been able to reply.

I'm not saying people should have to pay attention to this equally. I was just trying to say that it would be great for
people to acknowledge the other things that are happening in the world. I didn't make this thread with the idea of
"Hey! Boston isn't the only one who is suffering, look at this!" I made this thread for the people who pray everynight.
To let them know that other people need their prayers too. Both events that happened yesterday were tragic,
neither was more tragic than the other. I understand what you're trying to say. I'm just letting you know that I sure
would have made this thread even if this happened two days ago, two weeks ago, or two months ago.

Exactly. Thanks for making this thread. It doesn't matter where innocent lives are killed by unlawful means. USA, Mid East, Asia, it doesn't matter. First world, 2nd or 3rd. Your prayers should go out to them all, no?

edit: Equal international media coverage would be the progressive and right thing to do. It doesn't take a genius to realize Western media doesn't have that down pat just yet. But that in no way means anyone should dismiss or devalue the innocent lives the Western media focuses on as two wrongs don't make a right.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:44 PM


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I'm up for us "All Being Bostonians Today". But then can we all be Yemenis tomorrow & Pakistanis the day after? That's how empathy works.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:57 PM

the "pedophile excuse"? Really? That's even more reprehensible because it actually sounds like you're DEFENDING it. I believe my frustration is directed at PRECISELY the right place, thanks. Based on MY opinion...all religions are bull****. I could give two craps what the bible says, so you're barking up the wrong tree on that.


I'm sorry, but in no way did he insinuate any defense of what you suggest. This is merely nonsense based on your emotional ranting that leads you further and further away from any notion of logic and sense (qualities you claim to be so highly rich in possessing).

Honestly, you are so all over the place that at times I feel like I am reading from a cross between Richard Dawkins and Zeitgeist caught in a cyclone.

I think that you think you know way more than you actually do about the world and reality.

And by the way, law enforcement, especially in the USA, are largely infiltrated and influenced by Freemasons, not Catholics.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

Yeah but only after the US arrived...


100% agreement. When the US decided to invade Iraq under the false pretense of phantom WMDs and "liberate" the Iraqis...none of the ones in charge of the war cared one hill of beans about what happened AFTER Iraq was "liberated"...they just kept throwing around asinine proclamations like "Mission Accomplished"..."Pray for our troops" Hey...SCREW praying for the troops...if they really and truly "supported" them...they A: would have brought them home IMMEDIATELY after they deposed Saddam Hussein. The US shouldn't have been over there sticking their nose in Iraq's business in the first place...but you know the Americans...if you got oil...and your country is full of "brown people"...then watch out. The "war" was poorly planned and poorly executed,because there was never a thought devoted to what happened AFTER the US instituted "democracy" in that area.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:01 PM

I'm sorry, but in no way did he insinuate any defense of what you suggest. This is merely nonsense based on your emotional ranting that leads you further and further away from any notion of logic and sense (qualities you claim to be so highly rich in possessing).

Honestly, you are so all over the place that at times I feel like I am reading from a cross between Richard Dawkins and Zeitgeist caught in a cyclone.

I think that you think you know way more than you actually do about the world and reality.

And by the way, law enforcement, especially in the USA, are largely infiltrated and influenced by Freemasons, not Catholics.


Blah blah blah. I'm sorry...did you have something relevant to say or was this personal attack the point of your post? I thought not. The Catholic church shelters pedophiles. This is not speculation, it is fact. I think that I honestly don't give a damn what you think...how do you like that? On second thought...I don't care whether you like it or not. It's people like you with your inane tinfoil "theories" that piss me off the most. Just curious...what cockamamie religious nonsense do you subscribe to anyway? If I had to guess...I'd say at least one of the three Main BS artists...either the Christians, the Jews or the Muslims. It matters little though...since all religions are one and the same. Quick, easy, convenient answers...most of them patently absurd...to all the problems of the world. Religions promote lazy thinking and in a lot of cases the absence of thought altogether. You just keep sipping the kool-aid, buddy...just because YOU don't have the sense to read between the lines of the biggest and most successful money making scheme/mind control device in the history of mankind...doesn't mean I don't.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

This has to be the quote of the year:

(CNN) -- The Pakistani Taliban denied any involvement in a double bombing at the Boston Marathon that killed at least three people, spokesman Ihsanullah Ihsan said Wednesday.

"Wherever we find Americans we will kill them, but we don't have any connection with the Boston Explosions," Ihsan said.

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the Times Square bombing in 2010.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

Exactly. Thanks for making this thread. It doesn't matter where innocent lives are killed by unlawful means. USA, Mid East, Asia, it doesn't matter. First world, 2nd or 3rd. Your prayers should go out to them all, no?

edit: Equal international media coverage would be the progressive and right thing to do. It doesn't take a genius to realize Western media doesn't have that down pat just yet. But that in no way means anyone should dismiss or devalue the innocent lives the Western media focuses on as two wrongs don't make a right.


I hope eventually we'll have equal international media coverage. I turn on the news and they're talking about a person's dog walking down the street(not actually, but you get my point). While tragic things are happening in Palestine, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Africa etc. They can't talk about that? I'm definitely not saying we should dismiss what the Western media is focusing on, i'm merely pointing out that they could talk about things that are happening in other countries.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:36 PM

I hope eventually we'll have equal international media coverage. I turn on the news and they're talking about a person's dog walking down the street(not actually, but you get my point). While tragic things are happening in Palestine, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Africa etc. They can't talk about that? I'm definitely not saying we should dismiss what the Western media is focusing on, i'm merely pointing out that they could talk about things that are happening in other countries.

Oh I know, and you didn't make it seem like that either. When I replied to your post and mentioned that point, it was a general 'you' and not a personal one :)

And I agree with you, international coverage should be equal. It shouldn't be an issue of 'us' vs. 'them' where 'our' lives are more important than 'theirs'. And I'm of the opinion if things were reported differently and equally, we'd be better than how we are right now in regards to how we feel and react to certain stories.

I'd bring points up about religion but I don't want a sh!tstorm.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

Yeah but only after the US arrived...


Well, Iraqis can stop killing fellow Iraqis, and Muslims can stop killing fellow Muslims, despite sectarian differences.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:31 AM

That country is a mess.

This is a fairly common occurrence. People there can't go out without the risk of being blown to pieces.


How would you know ? Have you actual lived anywhere in the Middle East ? I'm guessing not so don't make assumptions out of the blue like that
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