Lockout Casualty Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hey look everyone, we're setting course back on topic! Reality Check | B.C.'s jobs plan This election campaign, you’ll likely hear a lot of numbers and announcements when it comes to B.C.’s jobs plan. The Liberals say we are doing very well in job creation. The NDP says the jobs plan has been a dismal failure. CBC’s Reality Check team set out to find out which claim is true. The plan, including the lofty goal of being number one in the country in job creation, is Liberal Leader Christy Clark’s attempt to put her own stamp on the party. "British Columbia is standing strong. By controlling government spending, low taxes, and investing in skills training. British Columbia. Canada starts here,” says one government ad. It plan is also the showpiece of Clark's sales pitch. "In the first year of the jobs plan, we led the country in jobs creation,” Clark told the Conference of Forest Industries convention in Prince George on April 5th. Even the NDP won’t let voters forget about the jobs plan. “We're seeing ads saying we're number one in job creation,” NDP Leader Adrian Dix said at a pre-campaign event in Vancouver on April 14th. “We're number nine in job creation, number nine. We've lost 34,800 private sector jobs since the premier launched her jobs campaign.” Who is telling the truth? The NDP claim B.C. is ninth in the country, when measuring job growth-rates against other provinces, between September, 2011 and March 2013. According to Statistics Canada, the province has gained about 8,000 total jobs since the launch of the jobs plan in September 2011. But the gains have all come in public sector and self-employed work, and the Statistics Canada figures do show B.C. lost about 35,000 private sector jobs during that time. Thus CBC’s Reality Check team has determined the NDP’s claim is true. The Liberal claim When the Liberals say B.C. is leading the country in job creation in the first year of the jobs plan, they’re using total numbers of jobs created, between August, 2011 and August, 2012. But economists don't measure that way because it's unfair to smaller provinces. Instead, they use percentages or per-capita growth rates. "Typically we look at average job growth over a year, or percentage growth in terms of number of employment levels,” said Bryan Yu of Central 1 Credit Union. “What we see is 2012, if we look at a ranking basis, B.C. was probably about fourth, and in 2011 it was sixth. So we haven't seen a strong jobs environment in the past couple of years." There’s also an issue about when the jobs plan actually started. The Liberals announced the jobs plan in the third week of September 2011, but they start counting from August — a month where jobs were at a five-month low. Over those two months, B.C. gained about 24,000 jobs, three times the total job growth for the remaining 18 months, thanks in large part to a bad month in March 2013 and stagnant growth over the last year. When it comes to the Liberal Party’s claims about the jobs plan, CBC’s Reality Check team finds they are full of spin. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/04/16/bc-reality-check-jobs-plan.html Let me guess, "B-b-b-but Dix!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Last budget, the BC LIB introduced a $55/month benefit for each child under the age of six. NDP promises to make it under the age of 18 and use a sliding scale so that families that make the least would get as much as $70/month. Families make more $$ get less. Over $66k...get nothing. NDP promises small increases in income assistance, hiring 130 more social workers, and boosting Community Living BC's Budget. Sounds good and all but where is the money coming from? There's only so much $$ to get from business and rich people. Also I think NDP said that they will be in the red for the first 3 yrs (citing Liberals mismanagement) while on the 4th yr they should have a balanced budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I am simply correcting a post that made an erroneous claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Last budget, the BC LIB introduced a $55/month benefit for each child under the age of six. NDP promises to make it under the age of 18 and use a sliding scale so that families that make the least would get as much as $70/month. Families make more $$ get less. Over $66k...get nothing. NDP promises small increases in income assistance, hiring 130 more social workers, and boosting Community Living BC's Budget. Sounds good and all but where is the money coming from? There's only so much $$ to get from business and rich people. Also I think NDP said that they will be in the red for the first 3 yrs (citing Liberals mismanagement) while on the 4th yr they should have a balanced budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 What claim exactly was erroneous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks_dynasty Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Where's the party that's actually going to buckle down, reduce government waste and actually be fiscally responsible while taking ACTUAL steps towards health care, education etc reform? Can I vote for them please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 METRO VANCOUVER — The B.C. Liberals demanded the NDP fire its provincial secretary over letters the Liberals say amount to a "shakedown" of Liberal party supporters. But NDP Leader Adrian Dix said the party has done nothing wrong by approaching people who have given the Liberals support in the past. The Liberals say they have obtained letters sent by the NDP that show the party has specifically approached Liberal supporters to ask for contributions for New Democrats. The letters request supporters "make a contribution in the range of $5,000 now to show your commitment to a balanced approach to government," the Liberals state. Finance Minister Mike de Jong said in a statement the letters amount to "nothing more than a low-down shakedown." "This is a pressure tactic by the NDP to virtually blackmail businesses across B.C. into donating to their party," de Jong's statement said. "It is unacceptable, and I am calling on Adrian Dix to accept responsibility for the letters and fire Jan O'Brien, the author of the shakedown letter and the NDP's provincial secretary." The Liberals declined to release the letters, saying the people who received them do not want to be identified. At a campaign stop Saturday afternoon, Dix said the NDP has done nothing wrong and he categorically denied his people are trying to strong-arm Liberal supporters into donating to his party, widely considered to be the runaway victor in the May 14 election. He did not deny that the NDP has approached Liberal supporters. "The Liberal party raises the vast majority of its money from corporations and certainly, we've sought to raise some and had some success before," Dix said. "But if anyone is concerned about it I would be happy to talk to them because there is absolutely, absolutely no intent as suggested by the Liberal party or others." Dix noted he has pledged to end political donations by unions and corporations should he become premier, and urged the Liberals to get behind the idea. "The reality is we are certainly not demanding anything. We are seeking contributions, as you know, to support the campaign." When Dix announced his party would end corporate and union donations last week, the Liberals refused to endorse it. The Liberals are the only major player left in B.C. politics that objects to an outright ban of corporate and union donations, a stance Liberal cabinet minister and spokeswoman Mary Polak attributed to the party's "straightforward" attitude. "The reality is, in jurisdictions where you ban union and corporate donations, what you end up with is taxpayers funding political parties," Polak said last week. "That's what we've seen federally, and it's what you see commonly in jurisdictions where they make these bans." The questions about political donations came on the heels of a cultural and religious celebration attended by the major players of the election campaign. Vancouver-area politicians added their banners to the sea of colours worn by the thousands of people who are celebrating the Sikh festival of Vaisakhi. Political party hues of blue, red and green were out in full force on Surrey streets, yet orange was the predominant colour in the exuberant crowd. While many of the orange turbans worn by South Asians were a religious statement and not a political one, many among the crowd voiced support for the NDP's provincial and federal leaders when they saw Adrian Dix and Thomas Mulcair. "We regard you, we honour you and we respect you," a Sikh man shouted into a microphone while the NDP representatives made their way through shoulder-to-shoulder crowds. Bhagat Singh, 49, a taxi driver from Abbotsford, said he'll be voting for change on May 14. "All parties, same politics. Everybody playing the same game," Singh said, adding he's historically voted NDP and expects to do the same this time around. Sporting a black toque with green marijuana leaves on it in to mark April 20, another man voiced his desire for an NDP government as Dix exited his greyhound bus. "Hope you guys win," the man called, on his way to the celebrations. Dix spent much of the morning greeting voters and making pit stops at union booths and those of his competition. But Premier Christy Clark says those attending the festivities aren't talking politics, they're celebrating the common values British Columbians share — family, generosity and community. "Harmony, unity, caring for those who need us, looking out for the underdog, giving, sharing ... weaving us together isn't just something that one or two people do," she said in a speech. BC Conservative frontrunner John Cummins manned a modest booth early Saturday afternoon, a few stalls down from a stand for Stephen Harper and the federal Tories. While the BC Conservatives have held fewer campaign events in past week when compared to the dawn-to-dusk efforts by the Liberals and New Democrats, Cummins said his camp plans to ramp up its profile in the weeks to come, starting with events like today's. "We're optimistic," he said of his party's chances to clinch some seats in Victoria. Blowing up balloons, Green Party candidate Richard Hosein said he came out hoping to put his party on the map with Surrey voters. "We have strong connections to the Indo-Canadian community here and we want people to know that we're here to stay," the Surrey-Green Timbers candidate said. While the party is focusing on a number of ridings on Vancouver Island, Housein said Surrey is not immune to what he called a "holistic" platform that focuses on families and sustainability. "A lot of people are seeing the Green presence, and a lot of people want change. They kind of see the Greens as the alternative." Vaisakhi is a holy day in the Sikh religious calendar, celebrated by South Asians with food, live music and dance, fireworks and a parade. April 20 was also a special day for Dix, who turned 49. NDP staff said they planned to celebrate on the bus, eating a leftover chocolate cake decorated with a Batmobile from the birthday of Dix's chief of staff. What did the would-be premier want for his birthday? "The night off, that's pretty good," Dix said, adding it's a gift he'll get as he takes time off the campaign trail tonight to celebrate with his wife. "It's actually a birthday present for the whole team," he added. Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz2R7m1pOfO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Is the title a reference to "The Campaign"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Is the title a reference to "The Campaign"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The hole in the bottom of the Liberal boat suddenly widens up with their refusal to stop corporate and union donations. RIPP Chrispy Liberals. The "P's" in RIPP stands for political purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Its gonna be a miserable 4 years when Dix becomes PM. I can't wait to say "I told you so" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Its gonna be a miserable 4 years when Dix becomes PM. I can't wait to say "I told you so" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Any insight on the BC Cons and their agenda? Seeing as how the two front runners are just plain horrid, I'd consider the Cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 Any insight on the BC Cons and their agenda? Seeing as how the two front runners are just plain horrid, I'd consider the Cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ya, and it has been SOOO awesome these past 12 years of Lib. rule. I have yet to see data that shows were were significantly better off with the Lies than the 90's NDP. The only thing that really changed was unemployment numbers, but those can be influenced by retirements / early retirements and new jobs at Wal-Mart etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I've had a great time on this 12 year ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 I've had a great time on this 12 year ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I am guessing either a NDP sweep or a minority government.........lead by the NDP who will probably join with BC Conservative if they have seats for a Coalition government ..........don't want them to win but the polls screams the party will........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I've had a great time on this 12 year ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 http://globalnews.ca/news/500415/how-bc-votes-take-a-poll-level-look-at-2009-election-results/ Interesting map showing 2009 results by polling area. Strange results in some areas but neat to dive into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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