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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:56 PM

The U.S. gun control bill on background checks has been defeated in the US Senate.

The Senate defeated a plan to expand background checks for firearm purchasers, imperilling President Barack Obama’s bid for new gun-control measures four months after 20 schoolchildren were shot to death in Newtown, Connecticut.

Senators voted 54-46, with 60 needed to adopt the measure, as several Democrats joined most Republicans in opposition. The vote was the most significant on gun control in 20 years, and it bucked 90 percent public-opinion support of mandatory background checks.

“Anyone who thinks this is going away is sorely mistaken,” said Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy, a Democrat who accompanied Newtown victims’ relatives to Washington last week. “If we don’t change the laws, there’s going to be another shooting,” he said. “Maybe then people will wake up.”

The defeated amendment was offered last week by Senators Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a Democrat, and Pat Toomey, a Republican, in an effort to create a proposal that could get bipartisan support.

The debate over gun control was reignited by the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle to kill 20 children and six school employees. Obama proposed a gun-safety agenda weeks later, including a ban on assault weapons and size limits on ammunition magazines.

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Those proposals were removed from the Senate bill amid National Rifle Association opposition. The nation’s largest gun lobby, which claims 4 million members, also said expanded background checks wouldn’t stop further killings and could lead to a national gun registry. Federal law bars such a registry, and licensed gun dealers have kept sales records since 1968.

While Democratic leaders had accepted that the gun legislation may not pass the Senate, today’s series of votes on amendments might help lay the foundation for advancing in the future. Some senators could try to bring up a background-check proposal again, particularly if there is a backlash to the bill’s defeat.

Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama opposed expanded background checks, calling them a “legislative misfire.”

‘Glorified Violence’

“Who knows what will come next?” said Shelby. “These restrictions will not prevent the next tragedy.” Congress should instead focus on “glorified violence” in Hollywood, he said.

Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said the legislation is in the “feel-good category” and won’t prevent another Newtown.

Manchin spoke on the Senate floor today about the resistant Democrats and Republicans.

“I understand that some of our colleagues believe that supporting this piece of legislation is risky politics,” Manchin said. “I think there’s a time in our life that’s a defining time, when you know the facts are on your side and you walk into the lion’s den and look that lion in the eye, and tell that lion, ‘Not today.’”

Arizona Republican Senator John McCain took the floor to applaud Manchin and Toomey for “political courage.”

“You may not win today, but you did the right thing,” said McCain. “Doing the right thing is always a reward in itself,” he said. “Sooner or later this country will take up this issue.”

91 Percent

Mandatory background checks for most gun purchasers are supported by 91 percent of U.S. voters, including 96 percent of Democrats, 88 percent of Republicans and 88 percent of gun- owning households, according to a Quinnipiac University poll conducted March 27-April 1.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said lawmakers who voted against the broader bill, with background checks, would be thwarting the will of the American people.

“That is their right,” said Reid, a Nevada Democrat. “But they should not spread misinformation or sow seeds of fear about this critical anti-violence provision.”

The majority leader said he decided to vote for a renewed ban on assault weapons offered in a separate amendment, reversing his opposition from a decade ago.

“Assault weapons have one purpose and one purpose only, to kill a large number of people really quick,” Reid said. “This goes well beyond the purpose of self-defense.”

Gun Trafficking

The Senate legislation also would increase funding for school safety and set new penalties for gun trafficking. It gained momentum last week when Manchin and Toomey agreed on the bolstered background-check plan.

Still, several Democrats from pro-gun states balked. Democratic leaders said they needed as many as 10 Republican votes to adopt the expanded background-check measure. Democrats control the Senate 55-45.

The president has campaigned across the U.S. for his gun proposals, and he brought relatives of Newtown victims to Washington on Air Force One last week to lobby lawmakers for their support. Gabrielle Giffords, the former Democratic congresswoman from Arizona who was shot in the head at a 2011 constituent event, met with Senate Democrats yesterday.

Current law requires background checks for gun purchases from federally licensed dealers. Manchin and Toomey’s proposal would expand that to include purchases from private dealers at gun shows and over the Internet. It would exempt non-commercial gun sales or transfers between family members.

Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas proposed an amendment to allow people with permits for carrying concealed guns to take them to other states, including those with stricter standards for issuing permits.

“I have a great deal of concern about concealed carry,” New York Senator Charles Schumer, a Democrat, said earlier this week. “New York City is not Wyoming.”

Even if the bill passed the Senate, it still would face an uncertain fate in the House, where there is widespread Republican opposition. Speaker John Boehner of Ohio said he won’t make a “blanket” commitment to bring a gun measure to the House floor.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:57 PM

What a bunch of maroons :picard:

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

How many more Newtowns do there have to be before we have some progression on this issue? Two, Three, Four, Five? How many more innocent lives have to be extinguished before these stubborn old fools in Congress realize there's a problem?
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

How many more Newtowns do there have to be before we have some progression on this issue? Two, Three, Four, Five? How many more innocent lives have to be extinguished before these stubborn old fools in Congress realize there's a problem?


They just want to keep their jobs. :)

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

They just want to keep their jobs. :)


They just want to keep their kick-backs, is more like it.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

do they want to continue business or save life?? politics :picard:
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:15 PM

Yes!!! now I can continue hunting rabbits with my .50 cal fully automatic machine gun with depleted uranium, cyanide-tipped armor piercing rounds, with my shady past as mafia gun-4-hire, as was foreseen by the founding fathers, who were smart enough to add a very clear passage in the constitution outlining my right to hunt rabbits in any manner I see fit.

I see this as a victory for all of us former criminals who want to better ourselves with the use of highpowered firearms without fear of "the man" questioning our past!
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

Congress should instead focus on “glorified violence” in Hollywood, he said.

Sigh... Isn't this typical deflection washed-up already?

Who needs Hollywood? Watching the media glorifying actual violence has more impact than any movie out there.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

They just want to keep their jobs. :)


Well considered they're elected officials and according to a poll mentioned in the story, 91% of voters are in favour of this particular bill on gun control, they are not exactly doing a good job of appeasing the people who give them their jobs.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

Murica :picard:

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

Freedom wins!







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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

I guess I'm not meant to understand...the pro gun folks trumpet all the time...it isn't the gun that kills people...it's an inanimate object, it doesn't go off by itself...all that...they say it's the person holding the gun that decides to pull the trigger thus it's the gun holder who is at fault and not the weapon itself...yet a bill in favor of background checks...that would undoubtedly cut down on the number of crazy assholes getting hold of the guns in the first place and carrying out shootings like Newtown and the Aurora theater massacre..is defeated....wait what? And how are these Senators doing their jobs when an overwhelming majority of voters was in favor of this measure?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

I guess I'm not meant to understand...the pro gun folks trumpet all the time...it isn't the gun that kills people...it's an inanimate object, it doesn't go off by itself...all that...they say it's the person holding the gun that decides to pull the trigger thus it's the gun holder who is at fault and not the weapon itself...yet a bill in favor of background checks...that would undoubtedly cut down on the number of crazy assholes getting hold of the guns in the first place and carrying out shootings like Newtown and the Aurora theater massacre..is defeated....wait what? And how are these Senators doing their jobs when an overwhelming majority of voters was in favor of this measure?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

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Dude lol wtf is that
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

Dude lol wtf is that

You have overloaded my brain with logic... basic brain functions are no longer responding.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

The problem runs far deeper than gun control. Gun control is a bandaid that masks or hides the real problems. Humans keep killing each other, and this has happened forever.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

You have overloaded my brain with logic... basic brain functions are no longer responding.


Join that club here in about 15 minutes. ;)
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:28 PM

Where is the ban on pressure cookers?

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

Join that club here in about 15 minutes. ;)

Haha!!!! my only question is... why so long? :P
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:34 PM

"Bang bang bang...and down you go...sorry America..no hard feelings..sorry your kids are getting killed at their schools and in shopping malls...sorry you wanted so badly for this to pass..it's just a job they do...our job is to look the other way and just continue on...business as usual...until the next massacre comes along..."
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:36 PM

Haha!!!! my only question is... why so long? :P


Because I'm distracted HERE and I can't put the keyboard down. Now excuse me. :P
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:36 PM

I guess I'm not meant to understand...the pro gun folks trumpet all the time...it isn't the gun that kills people...it's an inanimate object, it doesn't go off by itself...all that...they say it's the person holding the gun that decides to pull the trigger thus it's the gun holder who is at fault and not the weapon itself...yet a bill in favor of background checks...that would undoubtedly cut down on the number of crazy assholes getting hold of the guns in the first place and carrying out shootings like Newtown and the Aurora theater massacre..is defeated....wait what? And how are these Senators doing their jobs when an overwhelming majority of voters was in favor of this measure?


Well said. Like really well said. America is a friggin joke.

'Murica.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

Well said. Like really well said. America is a friggin joke.

'Murica.


America's been a friggin joke for 30 years at least, as long as I've been alive and living here.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:46 PM

its funny how health related deaths caused by diet (alcohal and tobacco and drugs included) and death caused by guns and auto accidents far out weight deaths by terrorist attacts on US soil ... but the focus is always on the terrorists ... i guess the yanks love the freedom of choice to eat garbage and destroy their bodies clogging up the heath care system and die and early death.. that was their choice , thats freedom, thats america.... they love the choice to go get drunk and wrap their car around a poll .. thats their choice ..thats america.... .. you take away their choice to buy a gun and leave it lying around for their kid to pick up and shoot their friend.. well thats communism and freedom doesnt care much for that.....

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:46 PM

Because I'm distracted HERE and I can't put the keyboard down. Now excuse me. :P

I salute you sir!
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:47 PM

shootings will still happen, how about we get the media to stop glorifying the shooters and the government to put money into mental health? and it sounds bad but a background check wouldn't have prevented sandy hook. kid got the gun from his moms house.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

its funny how health related deaths caused by diet (alcohal and tobacco and drugs included) and death caused by guns and auto accidents far out weight deaths by terrorist attacts on US soil ... but the focus is always on the terrorists ... i guess the yanks love the freedom of choice to eat garbage and destroy their bodies clogging up the heath care system and die and early death.. that was their choice , thats freedom, thats america.... they love the choice to go get drunk and wrap their car around a poll .. thats their choice ..thats america.... .. you take away their choice to buy a gun and leave it lying around for their kid to pick up and shoot their friend.. well thats communism and freedom doesnt care much for that.....

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

its funny how health related deaths caused by diet (alcohal and tobacco and drugs included) and death caused by guns and auto accidents far out weight deaths by terrorist attacts on US soil ... but the focus is always on the terrorists ... i guess the yanks love the freedom of choice to eat garbage and destroy their bodies clogging up the heath care system and die and early death.. that was their choice , thats freedom, thats america.... they love the choice to go get drunk and wrap their car around a poll .. thats their choice ..thats america.... .. you take away their choice to buy a gun and leave it lying around for their kid to pick up and shoot their friend.. well thats communism and freedom doesnt care much for that.....


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:57 PM

shootings will still happen, how about we get the media to stop glorifying the shooters and the government to put money into mental health? and it sounds bad but a background check wouldn't have prevented sandy hook. kid got the gun from his moms house.


But it WOULD have prevented Aurora. Whatever the hell his name was was a freaking looney tune and if this bill passed the loonies would have a harder time getting the guns. As far as mental health...I agree...why don't we start by arresting these idiot psychotherapists who are prescribing dangerous pharmaceutical drugs like Ritalin and Adderall to children under the age of 12. That'd be a very nice start...or maybe to fix the mental health system they could stop charging people an arm and a leg for the medicines that keep them sane or in some cases keeps them alive.
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

Obama just made speech about the defeat of the Senate gun legislation. He was VERY angry.

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