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#271 cmpunk

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:36 PM

Not worried about this team, 4th game in 6 nights against a desperate and hungry Dallas team. They will get it together for the playoffs, those of you saying you need to go into the playoffs hot LAK last season 5-2-3 final 10 games, VAN 8-1-1 nuff said.


8 wins come against Col, Edm, Cgy, Cbj............
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

:picard: :sadno:

What happens to all goalies who sign there big contracts?

They bail out there team on a nightly basis and make most of the defenders look alot better than they are?

Like Schneider has?

What are you getting at there buddy?


How so? 5-1 is bailing out your team? Schneider has been losing games, regardless of how well he plays. Don't I recall the change to go to Schneider in game 3 last season, just being a shakeup? Yes it was. Luongo was the best player for the Canucks those two games, but he wasn't winning the games. The same goes for Schneider right now. He isn't winning games.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

Our chemistry or lack there of is really showing this year. You can't just throw together a line and hope they do well. AV's shuffle until it works method is completely idiotic and doesn't allow players to mesh. When we run into teams in the playoffs who's 2nd and 3rd lines have played together the ENTIRE SEASON we won't have anything to counter.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

Our chemistry or lack there of is really showing this year. You can't just throw together a line and hope they do well. AV's shuffle until it works method is completely idiotic and doesn't allow players to mesh. When we run into teams in the playoffs who's 2nd and 3rd lines have played together the ENTIRE SEASON we won't have anything to counter.


There's already natural chemistry on this team but AV doesn't seem to recognize it.

Roy has chemistry with Higgins

Raymond and Higgins have chemistry with Hansen

Kesler has chemistry with Burrows

Kassian and Burrows have chemistry with the Sedins


Therefore line combos right now should be fairly simple:

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Raymond Kesler Burrows
Lapierre Roy Hansen
Pinizzotto Ebbett Sestito


When healthy:

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Raymond Kesler Burrows
Higgins Roy Hansen
Weise Lapierre Sestito

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:22 AM

This is hokey and sometimes pak goes our way sometimes not... we outplayed and outshot Dalas for a 50 min... we didnt have any luck and in hokey you have to have luck...also refs could blown whistle more for us... I am satisfied with erfort and very positive for playoff. Love both our golies and stop blaim Shneids or Lu.Both of them are OUR golies and both are super golies.. T Shroeder should be in lineup and also i would like Kass with Sedins second line Schroeder, Hansen and Raimond and third Kes Bur Roy as shutdown line, line who buttled against oponents best lines.. Go Canucks
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

This is hokey and sometimes pak goes our way sometimes not... we outplayed and outshot Dalas for a 50 min... we didnt have any luck and in hokey you have to have luck...also refs could blown whistle more for us... I am satisfied with erfort and very positive for playoff. Love both our golies and stop blaim Shneids or Lu.Both of them are OUR golies and both are super golies.. T Shroeder should be in lineup and also i would like Kass with Sedins second line Schroeder, Hansen and Raimond and third Kes Bur Roy as shutdown line, line who buttled against oponents best lines.. Go Canucks


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:40 AM

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:49 AM

Seriously doubting this team will turn it on come playoffs so I really hope the goalie fiasco will be dealt with in the offseason and AV is gone. If MG does 1 thing all off season, I hope and pray it will be firing AV.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

37/38 for Dallas goaltender
25/30 for Canuck goaltender

I do enjoy people who insult me.


I'm kind of disappointed that most of the fans on here only look at the stats and not on what really happened during the game. Kind of pointless arguments
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:07 AM

No different than Luongo - right? Else you're blowing smoke you know where....

I simply responded to your post about Schneider, I don't see where Luongo comes into the discussion here.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:10 AM

The problem isn't the refs. They were their usual incompetent, pathetic selves, showing bias and missing obvious penalties.

As easy as it is to say that we should have received more calls, the truth is that the Canucks didn't show up. Now I know that a lot of people floating around in the CDC get their knickers in a twist when the team gets ridiculed. The heartbroken "true" fans accuse those who criticize the team of being bandwagoners.

To me that is the easy way out. Criticize and you no longer are a fan. This either your with us or against us mentality is just sad. I am a supporter of the Canucks and have been for many years. That doesn't change.

What happened tonight, which was thankfully paired with an equally horrid loss by the Wild to the Sharks, was proof that this team has a few loose ends to tie up. Anyone who denies this should have themselves committed.

The defense has been executing much better lately. Edler, Garrison, Ballard, and Alberts have improved greatly since the beginning of the season. Bieksa has been playing injured, or at least comprimised. Hamhuis has lost his way somewhat as well. Our top shutdown pair for the last two years has been split up and while Bieksa was finding his game lately, they should have stayed together.

The lines aren't working

Barker is a forgone issue. He has to go and go now. He is not a player you want on the ice for the playoffs. He proved that tonight. Joslin will be in for him against Detroit. It would be wise to extract Vandermeer from the Wolves to get him ready for the playoffs. As the physicality increases, having a certified, dare I say, elite pugilist in our line up bodes well for the coming weeks.

The forwards have been streaky but lately have found some consistency. How could you not with a line up that includes Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Derek Roy, Daniel Sedin, and the rest? The lines however again aren't working. The top line isn't producing because they lack a physical threat. Burrows plays like a guy twice his size mind you. Going after Weber, and then Backes? Ballsy. But he hasn't seemed to have been the deterrent they needed.

Kesler is playing well but needs the right line mates. If AV is willing to put Kesler on the wing, then why not put him with the Sedins? Roy could centre the second with Burrows and Higgins, Schroeder with Raymond and Hansen, and Lapierre with Weise and Kassian. Sestito has been a bust, but Pinnizotto looks like th.e real deal

There is only so much a goaltender can do when a team is in disarray like the Canucks are. Both Luongo and Schneider have the severe misfortune of being a pair of elite goaltenders with bullseyes on their backs. The idea that a goalie should be able to steal a game when the defense disappears is pure stupidity. This is a team sport and this reliance on goaltenders exposes the truth. They are the best tandem in the league, hands down. They can't do it all, all the time.

Truth is Alain Vigneault has a team as good as any in the NHL. We have a great roster. Talented, experienced, a tad weathered, but still able to win it all. That is, with another coach. The team lacks consistency because that's what they see from him. The constant shuffling of the lines, the flip a coin goalie mentality.....it's Vigneault.

He is predictable. Daniel admitted he had become predictable, but really who helps players get out of ruts. Coaches right?

Vigneault, Bowness, and Brown are stale and have run out ideas. This team deserves better. Hell, they ran out of ideas in the Stanely Cup Finals. I mean, who leaves a goalie in for more than for goals against........Vigneault.

This team is more than good enough. Not just on paper. We've seen it. Against LA earlier this season. That was a dominating performance against the Stanley Cup champions.

It's science

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Edited by Canuck-a-nuck, 19 April 2013 - 01:17 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:14 AM

The problem isn't the refs. They were their usual incompetent, pathetic selves, showing bias and missing obvious penalties.

As easy as it is to say that we should have received more calls, the truth is that the Canucks didn't show up. Now I know that a lot of people floating around in the CDC get their knickers in a twist when the team gets ridiculed. The heartbroken "true" fans accuse those who criticize the team of being bandwagoners.

To me that is the easy way out. Criticize and you no longer are a fan. This either your with us or against us mentality is just sad. I am a supporter of the Canucks and have been for many years. That doesn't change.

What happened tonight, which was thankfully paired with an equally horrid loss by the Wild to the Sharks, was proof that this team has a few loose ends to tie up. Anyone who denies this should have themselves committed.

The defense has been executing much better lately. Edler, Garrison, Ballard, and Alberts have improved greatly since the beginning of the season. Bieksa has been playing injured, or at least comprimised. Hamhuis has lost his way somewhat as well. Our top shutdown pair for the last two years has been split up and while Bieksa was finding his game lately, they should have stayed together.

The lines aren't working

Barker is a forgone issue. He has to go and go now. He is not a player you want on the ice for the playoffs. He proved that tonight. Joslin will be in for him against Detroit. It would be wise to extract Vandermeer from the Wolves to get him ready for the playoffs. As the physicality increases, having a certified, dare I say, elite pugilist in our line up bodes well for the coming weeks.

The forwards have been streaky but lately have found some consistency. How could you not with a line up that includes Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Derek Roy, Daniel Sedin, and the rest. The lines however again aren't working. The top line isn't producing because they lack a physical threat. Burrows plays like a guy twice his size mind you. Going after Weber, and then Backes? Ballsy.

There is only so much a goaltender can do when a team is in disarray like the Canucks are. Both Luongo and Schneider have the severe misfortune of being a pair of elite goaltenders with bullseyes on their backs. The idea that a goalie should be able to steal a game when the defense disappears is pure stupidity. This is a team sport and this reliance on goaltenders exposes the truth.

Truth is Alain Vigneault has a team as good as any in the NHL. We have a great roster. Talented, experienced, a tad weathered, but still able to win it all. That is, with another coach. The team lacks consistency because that's what they see from him. The constant shuffling of the lines, the flip a coin goalie mentality.....it's Vigneault.

He is predictable. Daniel admitted he had become predictable, but really who helps players get out of ruts. Coaches right?

Vigneault, Bowness, and Brown are stale and have run out ideas. This team deserves better. Hell, they ran out of ideas in the Stanely Cup Finals. I mean, who leaves a goalie in for more than for goals against........Vigneault.

This team is more than good enough. Not just on paper. We've seen it. Against LA earlier this season. That was a dominating performance against the Stanley Cup champions.

It's science

End communication.


Well said but beware of the AV lovers...
Before the whole team started sucking in the 3rd, I was amazed he kept throwing out the Edler Barker combo. It was like he wasnt even watching the game
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:19 AM

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:21 AM

Well said but beware of the AV lovers...
Before the whole team started sucking in the 3rd, I was amazed he kept throwing out the Edler Barker combo. It was like he wasnt even watching the game


Thank you. I know the AV lovers all too well. They are as predictable as an episode of Friends.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

Only saw the highlights but Cory looked weak on a number of the goals.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:37 AM

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:37 AM

The D core has suffer a massive blow. With Tanev and Bieksa out...it's not looking good. AV needs to get a meeting soon...as far as I can see...this team has lost it's soul...way too many games this season with poor effort, not going to win a cup if this keeps up.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:19 AM

I checked the score during the 2nd period and definitely did not think they would allow 4 goals.
Anyways, re-group and get the win on Saturday night!
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:22 AM

Seriously doubting this team will turn it on come playoffs so I really hope the goalie fiasco will be dealt with in the offseason and AV is gone. If MG does 1 thing all off season, I hope and pray it will be firing AV.


Agreed. If the Canucks struggle in the playoffs again, AV and his whole coaching staff will be gone.

Hoping Ruff will be the next Canucks coach.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:59 AM

not arguing that, my point was simple, people are complaining about a league leader? lol

and he stood on his head tonight, thats why he was pissed, he was pissed at his teammates and rightly so. he showed up and they didnt.

and he subtly called out his teammates

"We're 44 games into the season," Schneider said. "Playoffs start in a week and a half. I think we're past the point of learning lessons. I think we need to go out and do it, execute and be the team that we know we can be because I don't think we're showing it for a full 60 minutes."


Schnieds gets it.

The team needs to be called out like this. Urgently.

Now I know that a lot of people floating around in the CDC get their knickers in a twist when the team gets ridiculed. The heartbroken "true" fans accuse those who criticize the team of being bandwagoners.

To me that is the easy way out. Criticize and you no longer are a fan. This either your with us or against us mentality is just sad. I am a supporter of the Canucks and have been for many years. That doesn't change.


Sir, you definitely get it.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:20 AM

8 wins come against Col, Edm, Cgy, Cbj............



LAST season, you know when the kings got "hot" going into the playoffs not this year. 5-2-3 is hardly considered hot.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:25 AM

It's like every idiot on CDC decided to congregate in the one thread.

"We're 44 games into the season," Schneider said. "Playoffs start in a week and a half. I think we're past the point of learning lessons. I think we need to go out and do it, execute and be the team that we know we can be because I don't think we're showing it for a full 60 minutes."


Sums my feelings up nicely.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:05 AM

Another third period collapse. That bodes well for the playoffs.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:09 AM

LAST season, you know when the kings got "hot" going into the playoffs not this year. 5-2-3 is hardly considered hot.


Especially since most of their wins were against plugs like the Oilers and Flames.

LA wasn't hot at all at the end of the season. We let them find their scoring touch in the playoffs.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

Yeah but...he's not making the big saves when we need it...he's letting in at least 1 bad goal a game or sucking in the shoot out....sorry...he's wasn't ready this year to be number 1...

He made some great saves in the first two periods or the game would have been over earlier. Giving teams high percentage shots in the slot are going to cost you. Goalies will get beat on shots and Schneider did not beat himself....all the goals were great shots with little chance. You are obviously entitled to your opinion but have shown all along that you base your opinions on emotion rather than facts.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

Lol if Lui was in net for this there would be a a million vancouverites after his head. Just saying...

That being said I'm not blaming Cory ... he made some saves when he had to but we failed to capitalize



the errors in the last 4 or 5 games have been disgusting, I had to ask my self am I watching pee wee hockey what gives...really stop passing it in the center in our own zone seriously...each and every hockey player should get a good smack in the head when they play like that. all year from edler, bieska, burrows are makeing bone head plays which are costing us.

They better start putting it togeather or we are out of there will quick...lifeless better describes thier play turned it off first time in years I have ever did that but its the same cliche nothing has changed...
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

The problem isn't the refs. They were their usual incompetent, pathetic selves, showing bias and missing obvious penalties.

As easy as it is to say that we should have received more calls, the truth is that the Canucks didn't show up. Now I know that a lot of people floating around in the CDC get their knickers in a twist when the team gets ridiculed. The heartbroken "true" fans accuse those who criticize the team of being bandwagoners.

To me that is the easy way out. Criticize and you no longer are a fan. This either your with us or against us mentality is just sad. I am a supporter of the Canucks and have been for many years. That doesn't change.

What happened tonight, which was thankfully paired with an equally horrid loss by the Wild to the Sharks, was proof that this team has a few loose ends to tie up. Anyone who denies this should have themselves committed.

The defense has been executing much better lately. Edler, Garrison, Ballard, and Alberts have improved greatly since the beginning of the season. Bieksa has been playing injured, or at least comprimised. Hamhuis has lost his way somewhat as well. Our top shutdown pair for the last two years has been split up and while Bieksa was finding his game lately, they should have stayed together.

The lines aren't working

Barker is a forgone issue. He has to go and go now. He is not a player you want on the ice for the playoffs. He proved that tonight. Joslin will be in for him against Detroit. It would be wise to extract Vandermeer from the Wolves to get him ready for the playoffs. As the physicality increases, having a certified, dare I say, elite pugilist in our line up bodes well for the coming weeks.

The forwards have been streaky but lately have found some consistency. How could you not with a line up that includes Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Derek Roy, Daniel Sedin, and the rest? The lines however again aren't working. The top line isn't producing because they lack a physical threat. Burrows plays like a guy twice his size mind you. Going after Weber, and then Backes? Ballsy. But he hasn't seemed to have been the deterrent they needed.

Kesler is playing well but needs the right line mates. If AV is willing to put Kesler on the wing, then why not put him with the Sedins? Roy could centre the second with Burrows and Higgins, Schroeder with Raymond and Hansen, and Lapierre with Weise and Kassian. Sestito has been a bust, but Pinnizotto looks like th.e real deal

There is only so much a goaltender can do when a team is in disarray like the Canucks are. Both Luongo and Schneider have the severe misfortune of being a pair of elite goaltenders with bullseyes on their backs. The idea that a goalie should be able to steal a game when the defense disappears is pure stupidity. This is a team sport and this reliance on goaltenders exposes the truth. They are the best tandem in the league, hands down. They can't do it all, all the time.

Truth is Alain Vigneault has a team as good as any in the NHL. We have a great roster. Talented, experienced, a tad weathered, but still able to win it all. That is, with another coach. The team lacks consistency because that's what they see from him. The constant shuffling of the lines, the flip a coin goalie mentality.....it's Vigneault.

He is predictable. Daniel admitted he had become predictable, but really who helps players get out of ruts. Coaches right?

Vigneault, Bowness, and Brown are stale and have run out ideas. This team deserves better. Hell, they ran out of ideas in the Stanely Cup Finals. I mean, who leaves a goalie in for more than for goals against........Vigneault.

This team is more than good enough. Not just on paper. We've seen it. Against LA earlier this season. That was a dominating performance against the Stanley Cup champions.

It's science

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Quite the story! Some good points.

I had thought that when Kesler returned that the improved FO % would equate to better puck possession and therefore a stronger effort. This was a brutal road trip against teams not really in the playoff hunt yet the team did not improve play. I have even asked myself if the loss of Manny after all this time is still hurting the effort.

CUP play is all about defense. Vancouver has been playing poor defense all season. Goaltending has been bailing them out regularly. CUP quality teams will not be giving any regular season passes. My take on the Van difficulties transitioning out of their d-zone is the rigid puck possession plays which have caused turnovers. Again last night the turnovers in the neutral zone were hugh. Dallas wasn't even particularly physical compared to what CUP play will be. Van will play one of LA, St. Louis or SJ. One has to hope that it is SJ as the other two will lay a physical beating on Van which they probably cannot handle. It isn't about who fights who it is all about board battles which Van loses regularly.

The Barker and Ballard screw-ups are the obvious whoops plays. How about the Twins breaking up to the Dallas blue line when the puck hasn't even cleared the circles in the Van d-zone? Grasping at straws for the big breakout but the score is even and the team is under pressure. I would have been more comfortable if AV had gone to a north-south game 20 games ago and rebuilt the approach. The team is going into playoffs again this year with a 4th line that has been marginalized. There is almost no physical roll within this roster when physical play has been the demise of their play through rounds with the Hawks, Bruins and Kings. I simply do not see a magic rejuvenation of the 'run & gun' offence with Higgins and Bieksa returning.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:50 AM

He's not going to be cheaper when Howard gets 5.3 mil a year

Just wait until this playoff. The idiots who blamed luongo would turn on schnieder when the team lost. It's just a matter of when it will happen.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:22 AM

March 1, 1992
November 21, 1992


I dont remember November 21 but I do remember having an awful lot of fun watching the game March 1st '92.
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