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#331 Big Filthy

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:31 PM

I am not looking at goaltending as our problem here. Our third line is awful. Ebbet is an absolute non factor and he makes raymond and kassian worse. Can somebody please tell me why we are worried to lose this guy if hes claimed on waivers?? He brings NOTHING to the table. He isn't physical, he doesn't score and he gets outmuscled because of his size. I must be missing something cause I can't figure out why the hell he is in the lineup all the time???

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:36 PM

shootout losses do not equal playoff losses since there is no shootout in playoffs got it


WTH is wrong with everyone?
Stop sugar coating it.

They lost. In the playoffs, you lose on OT - it's a loss. Get it?

Yes...it's not the same - I'm just saying they LOST.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

True fans don't act like drama queens like a lot of you whiners do get a grip. Its embarrassing and sickening. Go watch and cheer for a perfect NHL team you think exists that never slumps or loses or go watch soccer you babies.

All you fans who are claiming the Canucks have no chance just go away and don't come back.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:00 PM

WTH is wrong with everyone?
Stop sugar coating it.

They lost. In the playoffs, you lose on OT - it's a loss. Get it?

Yes...it's not the same - I'm just saying they LOST.

Perhaps it's time to stop worrying about what's wrong with everyone else and figure out what's wrong with what you said.

SO loss =/= playoff OT loss, they are not equivalent, at all...zero correlation, no point in even comparing the two.

2-2-1 is not 2-3 in the playoffs, it's 2-2 + 1 undecided. A team losing in the shootout is a whole different thing than a team losing in overtime. Shootouts are a sideshow, overtime is real.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:08 PM

Perhaps it's time to stop worrying about what's wrong with everyone else and figure out what's wrong with what you said.

SO loss =/= playoff OT loss, they are not equivalent, at all...zero correlation, no point in even comparing the two.

2-2-1 is not 2-3 in the playoffs, it's 2-2 + 1 undecided. A team losing in the shootout is a whole different thing than a team losing in overtime. Shootouts are a sideshow, overtime is real.


SO loss =/= playoff OT win.

SO loss is a lot closer to a playoff loss than to a playoff win.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

can't compare stats at "18 games played" mark
the amount of starts they get in a row are different and it's totally incomparable.
Luongo could probably help you win a series or two, but all he has really achieved was that "Gold Medal"
How many games did he play? Yeah they were big games at the Olympics, but aren't all Stanley Cup playoff games ... "big games"?
Lu can't hold for many series. I wouldn't mind Cory getting first round, if they make it through, let it be 50/50. They make Western finals? 75% Lu, 25% Cory. Who cares about this controversy? If it works, it works. & if some miraculous way... the Canucks make it to the SCF? back to 50/50 starts. This is the luxury you get with two amazing goaltenders and you use it to your full advantage.

i'm glad you guys can do math but there's more to consider when it comes to opponents, starts in a row, which dmens were playing and all


That was pretty much my point but with comparing cory's 28 games to Lu's 18, which you cannot do.

And since when can't Lu hold for many series? When we went to the finals Lu played amazing, yes the team fell apart in a few games, but that was not all his fault. Lu can hold many series, and I believe Schnieder can too
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

WTH is wrong with everyone?
Stop sugar coating it.

They lost. In the playoffs, you lose on OT - it's a loss. Get it?

Yes...it's not the same - I'm just saying they LOST.


shootouts aren't overtime, they come after overtime ends. and in the playoffs you play continuous overtime until someone scores, there are no shootouts

so how does a shootout loss in the regular season mean you would lose taht game in the playoffs?



are you trolling?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:43 PM

shootouts aren't overtime, they come after overtime ends. and in the playoffs you play continuous overtime until someone scores, there are no shootouts

so how does a shootout loss in the regular season mean you would lose taht game in the playoffs?



are you trolling?


It's a lot closer to losing than winning...no, I'm not trolling - I'm being a realist...

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

It's a lot closer to losing than winning...no, I'm not trolling - I'm being a realist...


Ok why dont we load our team with guys like Jussi Jokinen and other shootout specialists and go into the playoffs.
I guess we would win then right?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

Couple things:
Canucks actually played really good through two periods. Thought they were the better team but just can't score.

Everyone knows Luongo is the better goalie - why is Schneider our number 1? I'm not saying we lost because of Schneider (hard to win when the team only scores 1 goal) but my god man...Luongo has more experience and Schneider let's in just as weak goals as Luo and it seems more often.

If we have a healthy lineup for the playoffs I think we can contend with anyone...but no Higgins, Bieksa, Booth, and Tanev would be a huge loss.

Actually, Lou is NOT the better goalie, and there stats over the last 3 seasons prove it. There were no weak goals in Schneider's last 2 games . He got hung out to dry by inept defense. He got beat on great shots...it happens but he made the right moves. Nothing to panic about.! The team lost, Schneider is only part of the team.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:20 PM

Actually, Lou is NOT the better goalie, and there stats over the last 3 seasons prove it. There were no weak goals in Schneider's last 2 games . He got hung out to dry by inept defense. He got beat on great shots...it happens but he made the right moves. Nothing to panic about.! The team lost, Schneider is only part of the team.

Smurf... come on dude. Cory himself even admitted he played poorly...
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

Daniel's scoring ability has fallen off the face of the planet much like Markus' game did in his last season here.

He has 3 goals in his last 24 games..


A very gloomy staistic...it's odd,because his play (cycling the puck)seems as per usual..He has to get going.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

A very gloomy staistic...it's odd,because his play (cycling the puck)seems as per usual..He has to get going.


Yea but his shot has completely disappeared. He's become a passer like Henrik, which means no goals are scored cause no one shoots.

Honestly if they're going to put a center on the wing, it should be Kesler with the Sedins. At least he shoots the puck when it's given to him.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:38 PM

A very gloomy staistic...it's odd,because his play (cycling the puck)seems as per usual..He has to get going.


He hasn't seemed the same to me since the Keith hit.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:49 PM

Why is Schneider getting the fault. Ballard was aweful on D - terrible give aways. Put him on Forward when Tanev and Bieksa are healthy.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

Smurf... come on dude. Cory himself even admitted he played poorly...

He did not say he played poorly. He said he needed to make some big stops. He took ownership rather than criticize his team mates .A team cannot continue to give grade A scoring chances throughout a game and expect not to get burned. Its the law of probability and Schneider kept us in the game for 2 periods and made some great stops. Of course he wanted to stop them all but he can't be criticized for the effort he gave, His technique was great but some of the shots were better, no soft goals . Give him a break, it was a team loss by abysmal defensive lapses. I didn't criticize Lou in the 8 goal blood bath because I thought he played better than the score indicated. A following game he was a lot worse but let in fewer. The concerns are usually about how and why and not how many. There was no way the Canucks were going to win that game, with one goal and due to dumb plays and dumber penalties.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:06 PM

Good thing Gillis already signed our most useless player to a 5 million dollar extension for the next 6 years!

This was definitely the time to get that done...


I saw that coming the second AV was kept on.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:07 PM

SO loss =/= playoff OT win.

SO loss is a lot closer to a playoff loss than to a playoff win.

Actually the SO is dead in the playoffs. How a team does in the shootout has zero merit in the playoffs.
SO loss = SO loss
Playoffs = doesn't matter what the outcome of a shootout would be.

Mutually exclusive items = zero correlation.
Here's how the past stanley cup winners fared to show you how mutual exclusiveness works:
LA Kings (6W, 9L)
Boston (2W, 6L)
Chicago (9W, 6L)
Pittsburgh (6W, 6L)
Detroit (5W, 5L)
Anaheim (4W, 10L)
Carolina (8W, 2L)
Overall = 40W, 44L

As expected, the overall is ~50%, showing no correlation. The more years pass, the closer to 50% the number will go.
Thus, through the use of math (and common sense), how a team does in the shootout has no bearing on how said team does in the playoffs. A shootout win or a shootout loss means nothing when it comes to whether a team will win or lose in the playoffs. It is not "closer" to a loss, it is not anything.

That is what being a realist actually is.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:03 PM

at the end of the day Schneider played decent but couldn't come up with the save when it mattered.. it happens to all goalie so whatever.. on to the next game.. people are not going to remember all the saves you made.. all they will remember is the goals you let in.. This is Vancouver we are talking about after all no matter how good of a goalie u got Luongo or Schneider.. they will get picked apart by the fans and media and eventually run out of town.. here's an example.. what do ppl remember about the 2011 Chicago series?? not the sharpe save in game 7 ot.. but how he's responsible for losing 3 games while up 3-0 even though he didn't even start the 6th game people will still say he's the reason why they almost choked even though he stood on his head in game 7...

anyways play Schneider for detroit and chicago.. if he continues to struggle than switch to Luongo for the final 2.. whoever's performing better should start the playoff imo.. we have 2 equal caliber capable goalie.. if one is struggling you put the other in... you don't put your struggling goalie in just to make a statement... our windows is closing and we don't and can't afford to do it.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:53 PM

Smurf... come on dude. Cory himself even admitted he played poorly...

True, but I would not read to much into it. Cory has no problem taking some blame on his shoulders, but IMO he's overdoing it at times.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:36 PM

Actually the SO is dead in the playoffs. How a team does in the shootout has zero merit in the playoffs.
SO loss = SO loss
Playoffs = doesn't matter what the outcome of a shootout would be.

Mutually exclusive items = zero correlation.
Here's how the past stanley cup winners fared to show you how mutual exclusiveness works:
LA Kings (6W, 9L)
Boston (2W, 6L)
Chicago (9W, 6L)
Pittsburgh (6W, 6L)
Detroit (5W, 5L)
Anaheim (4W, 10L)
Carolina (8W, 2L)
Overall = 40W, 44L

As expected, the overall is ~50%, showing no correlation. The more years pass, the closer to 50% the number will go.
Thus, through the use of math (and common sense), how a team does in the shootout has no bearing on how said team does in the playoffs. A shootout win or a shootout loss means nothing when it comes to whether a team will win or lose in the playoffs. It is not "closer" to a loss, it is not anything.

That is what being a realist actually is.


Okay...you win...I give up...I'm glad the Canucks lost in a shoot out....have to make cheer I cheer for them to lose every time....

Oh...I guess if a team receives a penalty shot in OT in the playoffs, or a breakaway and they score - it doesn't count - right?

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

Okay...you win...I give up...I'm glad the Canucks lost in a shoot out....have to make cheer I cheer for them to lose every time....

Oh...I guess if a team receives a penalty shot in OT in the playoffs, or a breakaway and they score - it doesn't count - right?

Of course it would count, why even bother asking? I hope you know the difference between a novelty regular season postgame item and actual gameplay.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:32 AM

Of course it would count, why even bother asking? I hope you know the difference between a novelty regular season postgame item and actual gameplay.


Well there you go - losing in the shootout in the regular season is basically the same as losing in OT in the playoffs from a breakaway and/or a penalty shot.

I believe someone here was trying to strike that point home all along. ;)

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

at the end of the day Schneider played decent but couldn't come up with the save when it mattered.. it happens to all goalie so whatever.. on to the next game.. people are not going to remember all the saves you made.. all they will remember is the goals you let in.. This is Vancouver we are talking about after all no matter how good of a goalie u got Luongo or Schneider.. they will get picked apart by the fans and media and eventually run out of town.. here's an example.. what do ppl remember about the 2011 Chicago series?? not the sharpe save in game 7 ot.. but how he's responsible for losing 3 games while up 3-0 even though he didn't even start the 6th game people will still say he's the reason why they almost choked even though he stood on his head in game 7...

anyways play Schneider for detroit and chicago.. if he continues to struggle than switch to Luongo for the final 2.. whoever's performing better should start the playoff imo.. we have 2 equal caliber capable goalie.. if one is struggling you put the other in... you don't put your struggling goalie in just to make a statement... our windows is closing and we don't and can't afford to do it.

You seem to be suggesting that Van's problem is goal tending. Could not be further from the reality.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:00 AM

Well there you go - losing in the shootout in the regular season is basically the same as losing in OT in the playoffs from a breakaway and/or a penalty shot.

I believe someone here was trying to strike that point home all along. ;)

Unfortunately the point is wrong. A good effort at least haha.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

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