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#1 Canucks_Hockey_101

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:22 PM

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That's it. I'm done with this guy. The numerous blunders are piling up and are unacceptable.

Gillis gets a T4D offensive talent in Ballard.

AV banishes him to the dark pits of Hell. Ballard's game is now officially fubar.

Gillis drafts a future captain 1C to eventually take over from Henrik.

AV plays him on the third and fourth line even though he is better suited for 2C, call his back problems a bluff, doesn't play him instead of an injured Kesler. Kid wants out.

Gillis turns around and trades Hodgson for "the guy" to play with and protect the Sedins; an old hokey trick that is absolutely needed after having seen the Sedins rag dolled and manhandled by Boston.

AV utilizes him as a plug on the third and fourth line.

Gillis acquires a sorely needed center at the trade deadline; a player who is a 1C on 20-25 teams in the league for 2C duty begins the Sedins in order to shore up secondary scoring.

AV plays him accordingly, but as soon as Diver comes back, Roy finds himself at 3C and now finds himself playing wing.

So much for center depth.

Kesler is the best defensive center in the game today. Yet, after finally having traded for a center who at the very least should be centering the second line, Kesler is again on 2C duty hogging the puck. As for tonight's game, notice Kesler didn't pass the puck for a scoring chance; he was the last Canucks player to touch the before Roy scored.

Rome should never have been playing as much as AV played him.

The constant line changes do nothing for team chemistry.

The lack of timely timeouts to regroup is beyond asinine.

The "process" has allowed the Sedins go in defended when messed around with, the Salo incident was not defended, Keith's elbow had no reply.

Failing to recognize that hos goaltender is having a bad noght and leaving Luongo out to dry, getting shelled when any other coach can recognize such factor and pull the goaltender in favor of the backup has had major repercussions over the years on Luongo and this organization. Goaltenders get pulled. It saves face and stats over a long career.

During the playoffs, no way would any coach leave their goaltender as exposed as AV has let Luongo. Furthermore, the act of pulling Luongo out in favor of Schneider in an unwinable series against L.A. Has led to the demise of te greatest athlete to walk into town.

Schneider is a very good goaltender who went on an amazing streak. That streak is gone and it's time to warm up Luongo up for the playoffs. Is that going to happen?

No.

Center depth we have but is AV going to utilize it accordingly?

No.

Are the Sedins going to get "the guy" on their line in order to be protected during the playoffs?

You guessed it: no.

If this team has an early exit, fire AV. With the talent on this team, there are a handful of coaches that are much better suited for this team and who would get it done.

AV wins games by having son much talent at his disposal, not by being a good coach.

Perhaps he's becoming exposed because Luongo won't be bailing him out any longer.
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#2 Jägermeister

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:30 PM

You are terribly, terribly wrong about Schneider.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

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Furthermore, the act of pulling Luongo out in favor of Schneider in an unwinable series against L.A. Has led to the demise of te greatest athlete to walk into town.

Your man-crush on Luongo is getting more and more annoying with each post you make. Calling him the greatest athelete ever in the city of Vancouver has got to be one of the most biased/absurd/foolish things I have ever seen.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

*yawn*
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:36 PM

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:37 PM

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

I think these threads are the worst things about Canuck losses... God I hope they win all their remaining games and sweep their way to the cup so I never have to see another one of these threads.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:41 PM

Kesler has been lights out offensively since coming back he deserves second line
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:42 PM

Are you easily angered?

Do you have strong opinions that are often baseless?

Do you feel as though you're super duper special and that you have some brilliant idea that probably no one else was aware of because no one is as smart as you?


If you said yes to one or more of the above questions, then you too may be qualified to be OP.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:43 PM

It's too late now.
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Buddy I called this EXACT situtation on here two years ago and was flamed, so I guess I have a bit of hockey knowledge, not to mention the 4 years I played in the OHL idiot.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:44 PM

here you are... the eternal optimists!! yay!
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

I think these threads are the worst things about Canuck losses... God I hope they win all their remaining games and sweep their way to the cup so I never have to see another one of these threads.


There is not a mandatory participation requirement in any thread you know....;)
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

I agree with you that If our team doesn't make it past the second round, I hope he is gone in the off-season too, but who do you want to replace him with?

Edited by vancouvercanucks2010, 18 April 2013 - 11:52 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

Relax. He will be gone after the early playoff exit.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:54 PM

Relax. He will be gone after the early playoff exit.

the problem is we will be wasting another prime year from the Sedins, the blame is mostly on Gillis, who played a role on extending AV.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:56 PM

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

the problem is we will be wasting another prime year from the Sedins, the blame is mostly on Gillis, who played a role on extending AV.


There is really nothing that can be done about that now. AV is here for the rest of this season good or bad.

In fact, I think he will be here next year no matter what happens in the playoffs this year. Gillis too.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:58 PM

There is not a mandatory participation requirement in any thread you know.... ;)

I know it's my own fault for opening the thread! But even you must agree that there is a undeniable correlation to the increase in number of fire AV threads after a loss.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:02 AM

I hate AV too man. The dude seems to have a stick up his butt constantly. We need to can this guy right after playoffs, even if we happen to win the cup. our young players are going nowhere with this clown behind the bench, I tell you what.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:03 AM

Another typical thread following a Canucks loss.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:05 AM

I know it's my own fault for opening the thread! But even you must agree that there is a undeniable correlation to the increase in number of fire AV threads after a loss.


Of course. But it is really no different than the spike in hate/love for either goalie depending on which one was awesome or crap the bed that day, the immediate calls for players to be benched, traded, waived, or shot and pissed on after one mistake, or the multiple threads about how this person is a fan and that one is not because of how they choose to view the team win or lose.

90% of the people who post here are reactive fans who really know only the most basic things about hockey. The nuances of a coach's actual job would escape them. That's why no coach is as perfect or as brutal as 90% of the arguments about it suggest.

At least this thread does have some valid reasons. Some not so valid ones too and some conjecture. But it beats a lot of the fire AV threads I have seen after losses for at least an effort at actual content to discuss.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:13 AM

Has led to the demise of te greatest athlete to walk into town.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:15 AM

There is really nothing that can be done about that now. AV is here for the rest of this season good or bad.

In fact, I think he will be here next year no matter what happens in the playoffs this year. Gillis too.

Sadly, i have to agree with you.

And for the people who didn't like this thread, you know it's not mandatory to reply to a thread, right?
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:17 AM

Of course. But it is really no different than the spike in hate/love for either goalie depending on which one was awesome or crap the bed that day, the immediate calls for players to be benched, traded, waived, or shot and pissed on after one mistake, or the multiple threads about how this person is a fan and that one is not because of how they choose to view the team win or lose.

90% of the people who post here are reactive fans who really know only the most basic things about hockey. The nuances of a coach's actual job would escape them. That's why no coach is as perfect or as brutal as 90% of the arguments about it suggest.

At least this thread does have some valid reasons. Some not so valid ones too and some conjecture. But it beats a lot of the fire AV threads I have seen after losses for at least an effort at actual content to discuss.

I can agree to all of that, though the one thing that the OP seems to completely ignore is the fact that we are playing without 2 of our top dmen, 2 of our top 9 forwards. Also that if there is a reaction to a loss to hate on AV this was not the one to do it as the Canucks dominated, statistically, every aspect of the game, save for the most important one. This game shows that coaching systems is not the only reason teams lose.

Lehtonen was great, the Canucks didn't bury their chances like Dallas did. Some mistakes in the third after a long road trip... to me this isn't the horrible loss to a bubble team lacking talent that it would appear on the surface.

AV's job now is to get them refocused and firing on all cylinders for this 3 game home stand and secure the division and play the Oilers in their barn for the final game just to give them the final slap in the face before preparing for the real season. If this is what comes to pass I feel this was a very solid season for the Canucks and what will be in the playoffs will be, but it will start as a fresh slate.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

I can agree to all of that, though the one thing that the OP seems to completely ignore is the fact that we are playing without 2 of our top dmen, 2 of our top 9 forwards.


Our ONLY 2 right handed D too. And Garrison is the only lefty who can play the right side at all.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:48 AM

Schneider's streak is gone? WTF? He's had two lousy games, after a whole bunch of shutouts and epic performances, and now you want him replaced by Luongo for the play-offs??
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:56 AM

Schneider's streak is gone? WTF? He's had two lousy games, after a whole bunch of shutouts and epic performances, and now you want him replaced by Luongo for the play-offs??

This. We can't expect our goalies (although some of you do) to play each game and only let in one goal or less, that's just never going to happen.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:58 AM

Didn't read this but I think AV needs to go.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:09 AM

While I don't agree with the OP in entirety, this team is too good to be blown out by the Stars. There's been numerous occasions where the team lacked a solid 60 minute effort.
Yes ultimately the players are responsible for executing on the ice, but if that's the reason the coach gets a pass, then whats the point of even having a coach? He is there to help "coach' and make the team play up to their potential. (which they are not)

Here's what I would do.
Clearly Kesler does not pass. So use him as a checking centre against the opposition's top lines. This means Kes will be happy because he will be playing against the other team's best line AND getting tons of icetime. Challenge Kes to be a + player against the other line. Pair him with other solid 2 way players that fit Kesler's type of game. Speedy North South attack with lots of shots, driving the net and rebound opportunities. Someone like Hansen would suit that role.As for the other winger, I would prob go with Raymond. So there's your "checking line" that's pretty much getting the ice time of a 1st or 2nd line. And no, Kassian is too slow and not defensively sound enough for this role.

Use the Sedins as is with Burrows as they have the best chemistry together

3rdly, Roy is a centre and is a waste playing with Kes. Yes they clicked 1st game but they dont have chemistry together.
Play Roy with Kassian and Higgins (when he's back). Until then, either call up Shroeder and play him on wing OR dare I say, promote Dale Weise...gross

4th line Sestito Lapierre Pinizzotto.until Higgins returns, then move Weise down to 4th and bump one of the wingers


As for defence, really? You are going to keep the Barker Edler pairing???

Hamhuis and Garrison have been a steady shutdown pair.
I would prob go with
Hamhuis Garrison
Edler Alberts
Ballard Barker

Hopefully Juice and Tanev come back quickly.
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