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#1 KelVintage

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

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No vision. Can't skate faster than an average person at the local rink. No hands. Poor decision-making skills. Big body but doesn't use it effectively. He is almost completely useless out there.

I can't believe Gillis traded Cody Hodgson for this plug.

Hodgson: 44 games - 14 G - 17 A - 31 P - minus 2 (82 game season - around 50-60 points, no sophomore slump here!)

Kassian: 35 games - 6 G - 3 A - 9 P - minus 7 (82 game season - around 15-25 points)

Just awful....Both play 15 to 20 minutes a night, well they did for the first half of the season, Kassian has been demoted to the third line because of his awful play.

Yes, I know that Hodgson is awful at playing defense as well but he can't possibly be worse than Kassian. Zack will keep getting chances and playing time, much like Edler, because Gillis doesn't want to admit that he made a mistake. Pathetic.

I hope both Gillis and A.V. are fired before the start of the next season. A.V. poisoned the well before Hodgson was ever settled. They closed the window for a Stanley Cup themselves...what a travesty. Not saying Cody would have been our savior but he would have been an ideal 3rd-line centre and pushed Kes to play better. Nothing makes a player work harder than a young guy nipping at his heels. Kassian will never be the guy that management wants him to be. Too lazy. What a damn shame.

Edited by KelVintage, 19 April 2013 - 02:36 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:35 AM

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HE'S 22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP PLAYERS. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE CROSBY

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:40 AM

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Do you realize that other than our 4th line guys we have no toughness on our team? MG acquired Kassian because he gives our top 6/9 toughness for plenty of years to come. If people think we have issues with playing bigger teams like St.Louis we NEED a guy like Kassian to stand up and play physical hockey so we don't get beaten to death by the bigger, tougher teams in this league. Plus, he was producing well with the Sedins early in the year, and ultimately he belongs on that line.

Edited by ButterBean, 19 April 2013 - 02:42 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:40 AM

I think Kassian has the raw tools to be an impact power forward. Needs to put them together and refine. Obviously not happening as fast as some of us or the Canucks organization would like...
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:44 AM

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This thread sucks.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:44 AM

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Or maybe you can shut up and learn some patience. Kassian is still young and needs to develop more. Why the hell is this so hard for people to understand? Also, Kassian and Hodgson are different types of players.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:47 AM

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Both play 15-20 minutes a night? :lol:

Lol, not even close. Kassian gets 10 minutes a night if he's lucky. Playing alongside superstar Andrew Ebbett.

Hodgson gets first line minutes with Vanek and gets first unit powerplay time.

Until Kassian gets to play in a similar role, it's not fair to compare the two.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:47 AM


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:59 AM

Oh my god. For the love of Jesus H. Christ

LET
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GO!!

We traded for Kassian because he was something we needed, a potential top six power forward. He's just 22 years old for crying out loud. Power forwards take more time to develop than snipers/playmakers/two-forwards etc.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:11 AM

look who Hodgson is playing with, then look who Kassian has been playing with most of his time here. Hodgson would probably have less than half the points he has right now if he wasn't playing with Vanek

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Edited by Primus099, 19 April 2013 - 03:11 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 03:29 AM

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Gillis did say that Kassian was ready LAST season.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:12 AM

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Kassian sucks lol we don't have the luxury to wait on this brick of a player to actually do something for us. He plays with no energy at all and I'm not saying its completely his fault but I believe that gillis could have made a better trade and got someone a little more nhl ready. Our roster consists of players that are nhl ready and hungry for the cup and then we have this pylon who needs a separate coach just for himself to keep him motivated.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:16 AM

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Both play 15-20 minutes a night? :lol:

Lol, not even close. Kassian gets 10 minutes a night if he's lucky. Playing alongside superstar Andrew Ebbett.

Hodgson gets first line minutes with Vanek and gets first unit powerplay time.

Until Kassian gets to play in a similar role, it's not fair to compare the two.


So when hodgson was a Canuck did he get top line minutes every game or did he have to play with the Sedins to produce. Not at all he was contributing twice as much kassian is playing on the third line. Why does kassian deserve the luxury of the first line when hodgson could produce without them here ?


Edit: don't get me wrong I like kassian and all but the canucks don't have the time to wait for kassian to play like he was hyped up to be. This was a bad trade on gillis's part and other then those 6 goals kassian hasn't done much for us.

Edited by Kesbomb, 19 April 2013 - 04:20 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:20 AM

lol - you can't expect a guy thats suppose to be a powerful top 6 forward to be the same impactful player playing bottom 3 minutes... the comparisons are even dumber when you got a guy playing in the top 3 ...and comparing him to a bottom 3 player when he clearly doesn't belong there..

to get BURROWS going this year- we threw him back on the first line with the sedins because all three of them were a bit slow at the beginning - but Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins.. its not his fault..

give your head a shake.

put him top 6 - and he will produce.. not between fu cking EBBETT are you kidding me?

you can put a bonafide star with EBBETT and he won't have as nearly as many points as he would playing with someone actually good.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

Kassian needs a better work ethic .....and then we will finnally se him produce points
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:27 AM

In all honesty, I expect Kassian to be on the top line come the playoffs as the tighter checking will need a crasher and banger in front of the net but Kassian doesn't belong there during the regular season. He impedes the Sedins cycle as he can't keep up normally.

Edited by hudson bay rules, 19 April 2013 - 04:38 AM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:29 AM

In all honesty, I expect Kassian to be one the top line come the playoffs as the tighter checking will need a crasher and banger in front of the net but Kassian doesn't belong there during the regular season. He impedes the Sedins cycle as he can't keep up normally.


I doubt it - if they do throw him on the first line and he doesn't score within the first 5 minutes - you know what AV will do - he'll start juggling the lines as if the worlds ending.

beginning of the season was a perfectly good example - Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins but Burrows wasn't so - they decided to throw Kassian down and let burrows start to get going ... but once he got going they never changed it back.. I just don't understand it....

Kassian will not become the player he's supposed to playing bottom 6 minutes...

NHL Coach or Couch Bum - could tell you that.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:34 AM

lol - you can't expect a guy thats suppose to be a powerful top 6 forward to be the same impactful player playing bottom 3 minutes... the comparisons are even dumber when you got a guy playing in the top 3 ...and comparing him to a bottom 3 player when he clearly doesn't belong there..

to get BURROWS going this year- we threw him back on the first line with the sedins because all three of them were a bit slow at the beginning - but Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins.. its not his fault..

give your head a shake.

put him top 6 - and he will produce.. not between fu cking EBBETT are you kidding me?

you can put a bonafide star with EBBETT and he won't have as nearly as many points as he would playing with someone actually good.


A "powerful top 6 forward" in your dreams buddy maybe 3-4 years down the road I might agree with you but nowhere in the near future is kassian a Allstar power forward. Face it kassian is not nhl material and needs major conditioning to be among the elite. His playmaking isn't the worst on the team, decent hands and even throws hits every now and then but he's a long way from being a bertuzzi or Shane Doan lol
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:39 AM

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A historic terrifying situation is currently happening in Boston and you post to troll people.

You are a terrible person, give your head a shake and go do something good for this world.


You choose to bring a tragedy like that into a sporting forum as a put down.........you classless clown!
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:42 AM

beginning of the season was a perfectly good example - Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins but Burrows wasn't



yes, the Sedins were playing poorly and Kassian got a bunch in front of the net. That's what is needed in the playoffs when the Sedin's are neutralized.

Course, if were winning (doubtful) we wont see it.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:50 AM

A "powerful top 6 forward" in your dreams buddy maybe 3-4 years down the road I might agree with you but nowhere in the near future is kassian a Allstar power forward. Face it kassian is not nhl material and needs major conditioning to be among the elite. His playmaking isn't the worst on the team, decent hands and even throws hits every now and then but he's a long way from being a bertuzzi or Shane Doan lol


This is exactly what bugs me. Every time Gillis is forced into a situation he lets AV down.
Kassian may or may not turn out to be a top player but he was lightyears from it when we acquired him and yet I still remember Gillis spinning all kinds of crap about him and what he brought to us......now.

Then we had Volpatti. He was caught out and rather than take the hit and wait for something good he shat himself again and we are landed with that useless half-goon, half skater.

Then comes Roy. ( a fine centre.......for a team like Boston) According to Gillis we had the mother and father of all scrambles by teams who couldn't wait to get Lu (and why was it not Lu OR Schneider, another tactical f-ck up it seems to me) and yet they all evaporated and we were left with a "talented midget" to augment a set of forwards already having to rely on a 22 year old novice for pushback.

The guy is the pits when it comes to getting the goal in focus and then getting the job done.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:54 AM

we have this pylon who needs a separate coach just for himself to keep him motivated.

That was Hodgson. He called the coach Daddy.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:55 AM

lol - you can't expect a guy thats suppose to be a powerful top 6 forward to be the same impactful player playing bottom 3 minutes... the comparisons are even dumber when you got a guy playing in the top 3 ...and comparing him to a bottom 3 player when he clearly doesn't belong there..

to get BURROWS going this year- we threw him back on the first line with the sedins because all three of them were a bit slow at the beginning - but Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins.. its not his fault..

give your head a shake.

put him top 6 - and he will produce.. not between fu cking EBBETT are you kidding me?

you can put a bonafide star with EBBETT and he won't have as nearly as many points as he would playing with someone actually good.


Yeh well tell that to Raymond who is currently being shat on by AV after helping the team to get to where we are in the first place. (same goes for Schroeder)
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:06 AM

Kassian does seem pretty shook out there..

He's young and overthinking everything because he doesn't want to make the wrong play.

Its frustrating but give him some time he's still a kid.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:29 AM

I think a full season with the Wolves would do him just fine.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

Also have to remember that AV's reigning in of physical players has to drive a guy like Kass nuts.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:43 AM

True it takes some players longer than others to develop..

But you can't blame CDC for the cynicism when he seems to be declining in play since the start of the season.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:51 AM

Kassian sucks lol we don't have the luxury to wait on this brick of a player to actually do something for us. He plays with no energy at all and I'm not saying its completely his fault but I believe that gillis could have made a better trade and got someone a little more nhl ready. Our roster consists of players that are nhl ready and hungry for the cup and then we have this pylon who needs a separate coach just for himself to keep him motivated.

B.S. guys like you would be whining about any player Gillis got in a trade for the Great One.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:00 AM

OMG you really don't know anything about hockey don't you. Power forward takes longer to develop!! And usually aren't defensive specialist. You think Milan Lucic is good defensively??? Hodgson pretty much showed us all of his potential already. He'll just be another Derrick Brassard, Josh Bailey, Mikkel Boedker, which is a 2nd line player on a weak team. Look next year with no Pominville and possibly no Vanek what Hodgson will look like.

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