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Kassian as a hockey player

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beginning of the season was a perfectly good example - Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins but Burrows wasn't

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A "powerful top 6 forward" in your dreams buddy maybe 3-4 years down the road I might agree with you but nowhere in the near future is kassian a Allstar power forward. Face it kassian is not nhl material and needs major conditioning to be among the elite. His playmaking isn't the worst on the team, decent hands and even throws hits every now and then but he's a long way from being a bertuzzi or Shane Doan lol

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we have this pylon who needs a separate coach just for himself to keep him motivated.

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lol - you can't expect a guy thats suppose to be a powerful top 6 forward to be the same impactful player playing bottom 3 minutes... the comparisons are even dumber when you got a guy playing in the top 3 ...and comparing him to a bottom 3 player when he clearly doesn't belong there..

to get BURROWS going this year- we threw him back on the first line with the sedins because all three of them were a bit slow at the beginning - but Kassian was playing awesome with the sedins.. its not his fault..

give your head a shake.

put him top 6 - and he will produce.. not between fu cking EBBETT are you kidding me?

you can put a bonafide star with EBBETT and he won't have as nearly as many points as he would playing with someone actually good.

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Kassian does seem pretty shook out there..

He's young and overthinking everything because he doesn't want to make the wrong play.

Its frustrating but give him some time he's still a kid.

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I think a full season with the Wolves would do him just fine.

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Also have to remember that AV's reigning in of physical players has to drive a guy like Kass nuts.

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True it takes some players longer than others to develop..

But you can't blame CDC for the cynicism when he seems to be declining in play since the start of the season.

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Kassian sucks lol we don't have the luxury to wait on this brick of a player to actually do something for us. He plays with no energy at all and I'm not saying its completely his fault but I believe that gillis could have made a better trade and got someone a little more nhl ready. Our roster consists of players that are nhl ready and hungry for the cup and then we have this pylon who needs a separate coach just for himself to keep him motivated.

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OMG you really don't know anything about hockey don't you. Power forward takes longer to develop!! And usually aren't defensive specialist. You think Milan Lucic is good defensively??? Hodgson pretty much showed us all of his potential already. He'll just be another Derrick Brassard, Josh Bailey, Mikkel Boedker, which is a 2nd line player on a weak team. Look next year with no Pominville and possibly no Vanek what Hodgson will look like.

Todd Bertuzzi first 3 season (back when scoring was high)

1995-96 New York Islanders NHL 76 18 21 39 83 -14

1996-97 New York Islanders NHL 64 10 13 23 68 -3

1996-97 Utah Grizzlies IHL 13 5 5 10 16 -3

1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 52 7 11 18 58 -19

Milan Lucic

2007-08 Boston Bruins NHL 77 8 19 27 89 -2

2008-09 Boston Bruins NHL 72 17 25 42 136 17

2009-10 Boston Bruins NHL 50 9 11 20 44 -7

Scott Hartnell

2000-01 Nashville Predators NHL 75 2 14 16 48 -8

2001-02 Nashville Predators NHL 75 14 27 41 111 5

2002-03 Nashville Predators NHL 82 12 22 34 101 -3

Ryan Clowe

2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL 18 0 2 2 9 -2 1 0 0 0 0

2005-06 Cleveland Barons AHL 35 13 21 34 35 -22

2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL 58 16 18 34 78 4 11 4 2 6 17

2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL 15 3 5 8 22 -1

Zack Kassian

2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 27 3 4 7 20 -1 -- -- -- -- --

2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 17 1 2 3 31 -1 4 0 0 0 2

2012-13 Chicago Wolves* AHL 29 8 13 21 61 -3

2012-13 Vancouver Canucks NHL 34 6 3 9 51 -5

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True it takes some players longer than others to develop..

But you can't blame CDC for the cynicism when he seems to be declining in play since the start of the season.

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Ebbett is even worse. together with Mason that line just sucks.

Way to juggle line AV. It doesn't work against quality teams duh! Only in their own weak division.

Wake up AV you need a third line center.........

And anyone is better than Ebbet.

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Has looked lost out there on more than one occasion this season. Hasn't warranted any solid play to put him on the top line and for anyone who feels he should be put there really doesn't understand how AV operates. If Kassian can't make an impact on any other line not having the Sedins on it can we just all admit he isn't ready yet for a top 6 role. I will never say he will never be ready for a top 6 role he is just not there this season.

-2 with just over 9 mins of play yesterday against the stars.

Kassian in give or take 2 to 3 years.

http://i.imgur.com/9i4BCnY.jpg

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Or maybe you can shut up and learn some patience. Kassian is still young and needs to develop more. Why the hell is this so hard for people to understand? Also, Kassian and Hodgson are different types of players.

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A historic terrifying situation is currently happening in Boston and you post to troll people.

You are a terrible person, give your head a shake and go do something good for this world.

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Ebbett is even worse. together with Mason that line just sucks.

Way to juggle line AV. It doesn't work against quality teams duh! Only in their own weak division.

Wake up AV you need a third line center.........

And anyone is better than Ebbet.

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I think the problem is the energy level he plays (or lack of) with. I still can't understand how a rookie has the balls to go out there and not put a full effort on the table. That being said the few shifts he has tried he has looked good. I'd say he's about 60% chance of being a flop because you can't succeed if you don't try.

Edit: I would consider trading him if the return is good because he's not a lock and the reason he isn't is I'm not sure something you can teach. Not sure he's worth the risk even with the great upside. He's also dumb as a doorstop.

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I hang this on Gillis.

His statements about Kass raised the expectations of everyone. Throw in the fact that he was traded for our star-in-the-making Cody, whom we had been following from the time he'd been drafted and watched develop before our eyes, then add to this AV's inability to put him in the right situation for success and you get what we're seeing now.

Gillis should have just been straight up and said this is a futures deal and sent him to the minors immediately.

I just hope we don't ruin him for good.

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We could have gotten Kassian without trading Hodgson. like.........

To Buffalo: Samuelsson and 1st/2nd

To Canucks: Kassian.

Lineup#1

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

Higgins-Hodgson-Kesler

Raymond-Roy-Hansen

Weise-Lapierre-Kassian

Pinizotto

Edler-Garisson

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Ballard-Tanev

Alberts

Schneids

Lu

If a center goes down Kesler can go to the middle.

If we really had to trade Hodgson we should have packaged him with Lu or Schneids. Imagine the return of Schneider AND

Hodgson........Taveres+

Would you rather have the lineup above, or the current Lineup?

Lineup#2

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

Higgins-Kesler-Hansen

Raymond-Roy-Kassian

Pinizotto-Lapierre-Weise

Edler-Garisson

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Ballard-Tanev

Schneids

Lu.

Everybody says we shouldn't have trading Hodgson for Kassian. Then People say we needed toughness. We could have gotten Kassian WITHOUT giving up Hodgson.

Gillis made a big mistake but he should not be fired.

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No vision. Can't skate faster than an average person at the local rink. No hands. Poor decision-making skills. Big body but doesn't use it effectively. He is almost completely useless out there.

I can't believe Gillis traded Cody Hodgson for this plug.

Hodgson: 44 games - 14 G - 17 A - 31 P - minus 2 (82 game season - around 50-60 points, no sophomore slump here!)

Kassian: 35 games - 6 G - 3 A - 9 P - minus 7 (82 game season - around 15-25 points)

Just awful....Both play 15 to 20 minutes a night, well they did for the first half of the season, Kassian has been demoted to the third line because of his awful play.

Yes, I know that Hodgson is awful at playing defense as well but he can't possibly be worse than Kassian. Zack will keep getting chances and playing time, much like Edler, because Gillis doesn't want to admit that he made a mistake. Pathetic.

I hope both Gillis and A.V. are fired before the start of the next season. A.V. poisoned the well before Hodgson was ever settled. They closed the window for a Stanley Cup themselves...what a travesty. Not saying Cody would have been our savior but he would have been an ideal 3rd-line centre and pushed Kes to play better. Nothing makes a player work harder than a young guy nipping at his heels. Kassian will never be the guy that management wants him to be. Too lazy. What a damn shame.

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