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#31 Primus099

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:06 AM

I stopped reading after you said the loss was schneiders fault.


it wasn't all his, but 5 goals on 30 shots? you can't put 100% of the blame on everyone else for that. some of it is on him as well
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:13 AM

Which ever goalie plays better at key times in the following games should get starts in the playoffs. The Canucks need to forget about the regular season play and focus on the playoffs, and that goes for all players.

That being said, I say give both goalies a chance over these next huge games against Detroit, Anaheim and Chicago. Whoever comes up with the big saves and big times to help our team win deserves the playoff starts.


This is probably what will play out.

Either way...i am so stoked to have 2 solid options in goal. If their skaters can stay healthy...this could be another exciting time.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

Roberto has had his chances. Perhaps its time to give Cory the opportunity since he has shown he is capable of carrying our team and bringing the same elite level play that Roberto has shown.


I would actually beg to differ on that. Cory is a very good goalie, but not a team-carrier. At best, I would compare him to let's say a Tom Barasso or a Grant Fuhr, basically a complementary piece goalie on a great team. Luongo, with not only his talent level, but his pedigree, leadership, and winning edge, he has a higher ceiling and is more the centrepiece for what could be a great team (like a Patrick Roy). He just needs to not let his attitude get in the way.

Well, Luongo had his chances though, and he does deserve at least part of the blame. 09, game 6, Chicago, Canucks tried their damndest to force 7, scored 5 goals, Lu let in 7. 10, again, Chicago, Lu let in 13 goals over 3 games, and 5 in game 6. 11, Game 6, Lu lets in 3 in the span of 3 minutes, game 7, Canucks try their hardest again to beat Thomas, but Lu lets in 3 on 20 shots. He's had his chances, but he couldn't capitalize, which is why we should give Schneider his shot.


I would beg to differ, as someone else pointed out:

I certainly hope people start realizing that its not Luongo who solely breaks down but the entire team.

He is untradable and does deserve to be number one on this team. He has grown with the core, he is part of the core and if you want to compare his importance:

How would anyone feel about sitting a healthy Kesler?

How about sitting one of the Sedins each night?

How about Hamhuis or Bieksa sitting, healthy, on the bench, night after night?

Luongo's time has come.

Again I ask, AV is looking to start Schneider in the playoffs. Of Schneider falls two games to none in the first round, does he play Luongo the third game?


Every goaltender has their moments when they fall apart - think about what happened last night against the Blues. I would hardly agree with you about the finals against Boston though, the whole team had fallen apart. Blaming him for single-handedly losing the Cup is the biggest joke in hockey since Alexandre Daigle.

And besides, what if Schneider also falls apart?

did i say that?

luongo is done in vancouver, GET-OVER-IT. support the team.

it's time to see what schneider can do over the long haul. this pure insanity about "luongo not being given his fair chance" after years and years and years here is just stupid.


As someone else says to that:

So is Luongo not a part of the team anymore? He's just a ghost sitting on the bench right?

He's really changed his attitude this year. By watching his interviews he has a "nothing to lose" attitude. Luongo's simply playing the game for his team and for himself. I think this attitude will help him improve his game whether it is with the Canucks or with another team.

I'm all for giving Schneider the chance, I never said not to. I simply stated the fact that Canucks fans judge Luongo and Schneider differently. Honestly though, if I was the GM (I know I'm not) I would probably trade Schneider. Our team is in their prime right now and frankly, Luongo and Schneider give us a similar level of play. The difference? Schneider will fetch us a far bigger return because he doesn't have the big contract and is younger.


And I'll add that Luongo realistically can't get traded, given his contract. Sitting him out only hurts the Canucks more than it does him. They'll lose out on getting a fair deal, while he swallows up too much cap space. So deal with it, support the team.

Edited by VanNuck, 20 April 2013 - 01:27 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:22 AM

This comment pretty much sums up CDC. As long as the Canucks team "tries their best" they are free from blame. Luongo tries his best? Well, sorry Luongo but we want more. Are you implying that Luongo wasn't trying his best and threw the game?

Let's say he saved all the shots Boston threw at him in game 7. What happens? The Canucks couldn't score so the game just goes into overtime and it's likely that we would have lost since the Canucks couldn't find a way to crack Tim Thomas.


That's exactly what I'm tallking about. I'd say though, only games that were his fault if anything was against Chicago the previous two years - somehow, he needed to find a way of dealing with Byfuglien in his crease, like not getting rattled so easily, pushing the guy out of the way, or maybe developing a Gretzky-sense, etc. I wonder how Roy would do it? Schneids, as is any other goalie, isn't immune to someone screening him either.

Edited by VanNuck, 20 April 2013 - 01:23 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:27 AM

i think i've said this before but glassjaw is one of the best posters on this website.

I would actually beg to differ on that. Cory is a very good goalie, but not a team-carrier. At best, I would compare him to let's say a Tom Barasso or a Grant Fuhr, basically a complementary piece goalie on a great team. Luongo, with not only his talent level, but his pedigree, leadership, and winning edge, he has a higher ceiling and is more the centrepiece for what could be a great team (like a Patrick Roy). He just needs to not let his attitude get in the way.



hahahahahahahahahaha. patrick roy is argueably the greatest playoff goaltender of all time. luongo is no where near patrick roy.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:28 AM

What is this? Sand square playground? Billie had the toy long enough it's time to share with Tommy?

Medieval thinking at best.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

get over it already. schneider is taking his rightful spot as the starter for the playoffs. luongo has had multiple chances and didn't deliver. yes you could say that about the entire team but we don't have another team to replace the current one.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

It's hard for me not to think that this thread was conceived as a result of the Dallas game. Regardless, I agree with most of your points. Well said.


I bet it was.

Had Schneider got a shutout or let in few goals and made a ton of saves in a huge win, I highly doubt this thread would have been made.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:37 AM

You cant compare players to goalies in this situation. There are 18 player positions on the team and there's only one spot open for goaltenders. That spot goes to the goalie that gives the team the best chance to win. If they could play them both, I'm sure they would. Schneider has also been with this team for a long time and has been brought up through the canucks system. It's not like we just brought him in this year. Schneider is the better goalie, gives us the best chance to win and management could care less about what they're doing to Luongo's trade value right now. They want to win now.


Schneider's been playing better this year, but the playoffs are a different story. Luongo has more experience there - and naysayers pointing out that he failed, you can't deny that he still gone far (until last year, when they all fell apart). Plus, I'll bet you he's motivated to prove you wrong, which he can with a Cup.

Only way to win now with Schneider is to trade Luongo for a top player, like a Shea Weber or a Sidney Crosby, which will never happen (and certainly not NOW, after deadline).
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

I would actually beg to differ on that. Cory is a very good goalie, but not a team-carrier. At best, I would compare him to let's say a Tom Barasso or a Grant Fuhr, basically a complementary piece goalie on a great team. Luongo, with not only his talent level, but his pedigree, leadership, and winning edge, he has a higher ceiling and is more the centrepiece for what could be a great team (like a Patrick Roy). He just needs to not let his attitude get in the way.


Well he has carried our team for the majority of this season. So this year is pretty good proof that he is a team carrier.

I would compare him to Johnathon Quick. A great american goalie capable of putting on a Conn Smythe worthy preformence in a playoff year and taking his team to a Cup/Finals.

Luongo has had opportunities, many. He has played on good teams, and if he was as good as Patrick Roy, would have sized those opportunities.

He's not the same playoff level goaltender. Not a legendary playoff goalie. Though I do think he is a generational talent. Now to put this how good Cory is into perspective for a moment.

I just said I believe Roberto is a generational talent, and I am sure you agree. Now Cory's play is the reason Roberto isn't playing and isn't in our long term future plans. So what does that say about Cory?

And I'll add that Luongo realistically can't get traded, given his contract. Sitting him out only hurts the Canucks more than it does him. They'll lose out on getting a fair deal, while he swallows up too much cap space. So deal with it, support the team.


This comment is kinda ironic.

Cause the other side could say, Schneider has played so well that he has uprooted Luongo as our goaltender. And is now our guy going forward.

So deal with it, and support the team, rather than downplay Schneider cause you don't want to accept that Lu's time here is nearing its end.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 20 April 2013 - 01:40 AM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

i think i've said this before but glassjaw is one of the best posters on this website.


You haven't said that, and I think you both need to face reality and stop supporting the Canucks' self-destruction.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:48 AM

Lou has had SIX YEARS to get it done here and has failed every year (although Year 1 could hardly be blamed on him). Time for a change.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:54 AM

You haven't said that, and I think you both need to face reality and stop supporting the Canucks' self-destruction.

no i think you do! :) :) :) . i want schneider to start therefore i don't support the canucks' self-destruction, whereas you want luongo to start aka the goaltender with a history of self-destructing in the playoffs. why are you so against giving the younger, more athletic, superior goaltender who has no history of playoff melt downs yet a chance? you talk as if luongo's current situation has any relevance on whether he or schneider should start but shouldn't you always play whoever gives you the best chance of winning?
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:08 AM

You haven't said that, and I think you both need to face reality and stop supporting the Canucks' self-destruction.


Moving forward with one of the best goalies in the league is self-destruction?? :blink:
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

Well he has carried our team for the majority of this season. So this year is pretty good proof that he is a team carrier.

I would compare him to Johnathon Quick. A great american goalie capable of putting on a Conn Smythe worthy preformence in a playoff year and taking his team to a Cup/Finals.


Put Jonathan Quick on this Canucks team. At best, he probably can get to the second round, the way they are playing. Quick plays on a stacked team (albeit one that underperformed in the regular season).

We agree that Luongo is a generational talent, one that had a Roy-like ceiling, only he didn't reach it. He's had a self-destructive attitude, giving way to his fall, and Schneider took over and is excelling. Luongo's corrected his attitude, but Schneids is still on the roll, so he continues to start. But again, I still think he'll only roll so far in the playoffs, particularly with this team.

Again on Luongo, it's a waste to let him rot out like this, especially now that he looks like he could come out swinging. Can he win the Cup with this Canucks team (after I said Schneider can't)? Probably not, but he can prove his value so that someone will trade for him in the summer (won't happen if he sits). Or, then again, he'll go on an all-out tear if he's really determined - and finally reach that Patrick Roy ceiling that he has.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:18 AM

Moving forward with one of the best goalies in the league is self-destruction?? :blink:


One of the best goalies in the League? Tell me that when he has more than 10 wins in the post-season.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:20 AM

no i think you do! :) :) :) . i want schneider to start therefore i don't support the canucks' self-destruction, whereas you want luongo to start aka the goaltender with a history of self-destructing in the playoffs. why are you so against giving the younger, more athletic, superior goaltender who has no history of playoff melt downs yet a chance? you talk as if luongo's current situation has any relevance on whether he or schneider should start but shouldn't you always play whoever gives you the best chance of winning?


Because the notion that Luongo self-destructs is overrated - when the team around him gives way in Game 7. Because Schneider is largely untested and has little chance of winning now, while Lu at least got the Nucks 15 wins. Because unless Lu proves himself, the Nucks are stuck with him taking up space. So face it up, or go cheer for someone else, like Smashin Kassian's Penguins.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

You know, that's another good point there. Actually, if you ask me, in the event of another post-season breakdown, they should likely part ways with the Sedins.


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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:22 AM

One of the best goalies in the League? Tell me that when he has more than 10 wins in the post-season.


Tell us that when he has 15 wins in the post season, wins WC gold, WCh gold, Olympic gold, and a QMJHL president's trophy.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:23 AM

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:26 AM

clueless, absolutely and utterly clueless


We'll see who the clueless one is, Mr. Where was Henrik and Daniel in Boston, when Lu was struggling in Game 6 or 7? Where were they that same year in the first round against Chicago? Anyway, where are they in the playoffs - and where are you right now??
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:40 AM

It's hard for me not to think that this thread was conceived as a result of the Dallas game. Regardless, I agree with most of your points. Well said.


Well I was thinking this all along, just what a waste it was for Lu to be sitting out with all his talent. But after the Dallas game, it was like, okay, Luongo, Schneider, either one is prone to cough up. Nothing to lose giving Lu one more shot, not much to win giving Schneids the shot.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:41 AM

This is probably what will play out.

Either way...i am so stoked to have 2 solid options in goal. If their skaters can stay healthy...this could be another exciting time.


Luongo is a serious competitor,it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he got on a serious roll in the playoffs
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:42 AM

Finally, goaltending is exactly the same. In the playoffs, the Cup winning goalie hardly ever plays 20-25 games of consistent, great hockey. The Cup winner is however the most clutch goalie in the NHL, and that's what we should aim for now. Schneider has been good consistently, but he's blown it at key pressure times in games lately. This guy hasn't won any big games apart from an AHL championship (forget about that, AHL success does NOT equal NHL success so to me that means nothing). In the meantime, we have Luongo who is a proven big game player. He isn't consistently good, in fact he's very inconsistent, but when he plays well he plays very well and he does it at important times in important games. No one understands big game pressure in the NHL better than Luongo (perhaps only Crosby and Toews are more clutch), which is why Luongo should be our guy in the playoffs.


Schneider isn't as 'proven' as Luongo precisely because he hasn't been given the chance yet to prove himself. Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that Schneider is a technically better and better reflex goalie then Luongo. I'll go with that these playoffs.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:42 AM

If Luongo starts in the playoffs and has one of his signature meltdowns (likely), our only recourse will be a buyout.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:52 AM

If Luongo starts in the playoffs and has one of his signature meltdowns (likely), our only recourse will be a buyout.


Luongo knows his career is on the line - he'll be sure that doesn't happen this time. One more go.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:59 AM

Luongo knows his career is on the line - he'll be sure that doesn't happen this time. One more go.


If Luongo needs to have his career on the the line to play like an NHLer on a consistent basis during the playoffs, there's no way he should be starting playoff games.

Enough is enough.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:53 AM

nah better to start Schneider in the playoff.. i'm more interested to see what happens when the team breaks down nightly and he gives up a bunch of goals.. remember the way we played chicago in the second game? chances are it'll happen quite often as we have witnessed all season.. once Schneiders give up a few then maybe JUST MAYBE they'll come to realize at the end of the day.. it wasn't really the goalies fault.. it was the rest of the team breaking down.. and btw.. we probably shoulda been swept in 4 games against boston with 1/2 of our forward in somewhat healthy shape and 1/3 of our defense missing.. i'm just surprised we didn't get blown out 5-0 in 4 straight.. so Luongo giving up whatever goals he gave up really didn't surprise me.. i'm just surprise it didn't happen in 4 straight games and he had to drag it out to 7 games just to tease us.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:55 AM

If gillis can't trade Lou, then he will use a buyout on him. We can't afford him next year. Schneider will get the nod unless he has a complete meltdown. Anyone who thinks Lou should get the start come playoff time has memory loss, Lou has proven year after year he is not a post season goalie. He is rattled easily. Schneider is out best bet.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:55 AM

If gillis can't trade Lou, then he will use a buyout on him. We can't afford him next year. Schneider will get the nod unless he has a complete meltdown. Anyone who thinks Lou should get the start come playoff time has memory loss, Lou has proven year after year he is not a post season goalie. He is rattled easily. Schneider is out best bet.
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