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#31 AK_19

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

Well my son is off to UVIC in Sept...his goal is to become a lawyer. He plans to major in political science but from what I have read that leads to no jobs if you do not get into law school.

I just read that UVIC has changed to 50/50 LSAT and GPA for law school admission in 2017

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1. GPA/LSAT will no longer be weighted 70/30, but rather 50/50. This change attempts to minimize the effects that variability between programs in strength and grade inflation will have on the admissions process. It seems that the Committee is concerned with admitting certain high-GPA, low-LSAT splitters where the GPA is not a reliable indicator due to the applicant's institution or program. "



Any wanna be lawyers here and what advice do you have?


My advice would be in first year to take a wide range of courses to get a better idea in what he is interested and a better idea of where his skill sets are best.

I would pick a major in 2nd/3rd year based on (and in order):

1. What he is good at.
2. What he is interested in
3. What improves on the skill sets needed for the LSAT.

Majors that focus on rote memory and ability to research are relatively useless for the LSAT. Majors that have you writing, reading difficult passages, and involve a lot of analytical thinking are probably the ones that best improve LSAT related skills. I'd also recommend taking symbolic logic/argumentative thinking courses in Philosophy to get a head start in understanding the language of the LSAT. The bottleneck in the process of becoming a lawyer is getting into law school which is why my advice is more geared towards getting in as opposed to preparing for the actual education.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

My law degree is from UVic. Highly recommend it - it was a fantastic place. I did my BA in classics at Dalhousie and I also have an MA in Roman history (UVic).

I got into UVic with an LSAT score in the 85th percentile (if I recall correctly) and a BA/MA GPA somewhere between A- and A. I didn't get an entrance scholarship, but I still got in.

Don't believe all the stories about selling your soul when you become a lawyer, becoming a blood-sucker, etc. Sure, there are bad people in the profession - just like any job. But there are lots of opportunities to become a "good" lawyer in every sense of the word. Especially in Canada - lawyers up here are far more 'professional', civilized, and ethical than our southern counterparts (in my opinion).
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:44 PM

Well my son is off to UVIC in Sept...his goal is to become a lawyer. He plans to major in political science but from what I have read that leads to no jobs if you do not get into law school.

I just read that UVIC has changed to 50/50 LSAT and GPA for law school admission in 2017

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1. GPA/LSAT will no longer be weighted 70/30, but rather 50/50. This change attempts to minimize the effects that variability between programs in strength and grade inflation will have on the admissions process. It seems that the Committee is concerned with admitting certain high-GPA, low-LSAT splitters where the GPA is not a reliable indicator due to the applicant's institution or program. "



Any wanna be lawyers here and what advice do you have?

Throw away any ethics or morals, those will no longer be needed.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:46 PM

My law degree is from UVic. Highly recommend it - it was a fantastic place. I did my BA in classics at Dalhousie and I also have an MA in Roman history (UVic).

I got into UVic with an LSAT score in the 85th percentile (if I recall correctly) and a BA/MA GPA somewhere between A- and A. I didn't get an entrance scholarship, but I still got in.

Don't believe all the stories about selling your soul when you become a lawyer, becoming a blood-sucker, etc. Sure, there are bad people in the profession - just like any job. But there are lots of opportunities to become a "good" lawyer in every sense of the word. Especially in Canada - lawyers up here are far more 'professional', civilized, and ethical than our southern counterparts (in my opinion).

Here is the historical data from 2008 to 2012 as to what was required in the way of GPA and LSAT to be admitted to UVic:
http://law.uvic.ca/p.../jd/regular.php
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

Throw away any ethics or morals, those will no longer be needed.

That would be incorrect.

http://www.lawsociet...egal-Profession
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:52 PM

Well I'm currently in school and am considering it as well

Why do people keep knocking it?
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:58 PM

Well I'm currently in school and am considering it as well

Why do people keep knocking it?

If you look at the qualities of a successful lawyer they tend to match up very well with a sociopath, especially the first 5

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Well I'm currently in school and am considering it as well

Why do people keep knocking it?

Stereotyping without any basis.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

If you look at the qualities of a successful lawyer they tend to match up very well with a sociopath, especially the first 5

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Nope.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:13 PM

I work and study at UVIC and I can't believe how many students think / say they're going to be lawyers. It's insane. Every degree seems utterly worthless unto itself (minus a few specialty ones), so the go-to answer is "maybe I'll go to law school! Nothin else goin on!"

Everyone wants to save the world and make a lot of money in the process, it seems.

Boy, are they in for a cruel awakening.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:15 PM

I always picture Wetcoaster posting from a stuffed-back leather chair while smoking a pipe.
He's like a father-figure to me.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

Nope.

Yup. You said it yourself. Lawyers check their souls at the doors to law school. You may have been kidding, but who can tell? His post may be a little sarcastic, but the sarcasm is based on reality.

Edited by canucks since 77, 21 April 2013 - 01:20 PM.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

Well I'm currently in school and am considering it as well

Why do people keep knocking it?


Because the law profession in America is in shambles, and Canadians largely define their language with American terms, so the word "lawyer" is likely going to evoke a response dipped in cynicism
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:32 PM

Yup. You said it yourself. Lawyers check their souls at the doors to law school. You may have been kidding, but who can tell? His post may be a little sarcastic, but the sarcasm is based on reality.

Nope, never said that.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

If you look at the qualities of a successful lawyer they tend to match up very well with a sociopath, especially the first 5

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html


The only lawyers I know of who have any of those qualities are also those who have been accused of sharp practice, or have been fined/reprimanded/disbarred.

Stop thinking that the portrayal of fictional lawyers on American television is the reality here in Canada, because it's not.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:49 PM

The only lawyers I know of who have any of those qualities are also those who have been accused of sharp practice, or have been fined/reprimanded/disbarred.

Stop thinking that the portrayal of fictional lawyers on American television is the reality here in Canada, because it's not.

Tell that to the poor shmucks that have been injured in an auto accident and dealt with ICBC's lawyers. How bout Worksafe B.C? There is many more unethical lawyers than ethical. The more they make the more corrupt they are. When a lawyer is involved, someone always suffers.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:50 PM

Tell that to the poor shmucks that have been injured in an auto accident and dealt with ICBC's lawyers. How bout Worksafe B.C? There is many more unethical lawyers than ethical. The more they make the more corrupt they are. When a lawyer is involved, someone always suffers.

That is not correct.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

Tell that to the poor shmucks that have been injured in an auto accident and dealt with ICBC's lawyers. How bout Worksafe B.C? There is many more unethical lawyers than ethical. The more they make the more corrupt they are. When a lawyer is involved, someone always suffers.


if this were true, does it even matter? are most careers driven by proper ethics?
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

That is not correct.

Are you going to say "NAh, Nah, Nah,m I cant hear you" next. I'm beginning to learn that when you drop down to a few word sentences instead of page long links of legal gibberish, your talking out of your....
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

if this were true, does it even matter? are most careers driven by proper ethics?

Yes it does. Unethical careers are simply unethical. Most of societies woes are directly linked to lawyers defending unethical corporations, unethical politicians,and unethical financial institutions. The list goes on and on. So yes, it does matter.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:11 PM

Are you going to say "NAh, Nah, Nah,m I cant hear you" next. I'm beginning to learn that when you drop down to a few word sentences instead of page long links of legal gibberish, your talking out of your....

When a post is so clearly mistaken (as was yours), a bare denial is quite sufficient without the need for supporting material.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

Yes it does. Unethical careers are simply unethical. Most of societies woes are directly linked to lawyers defending unethical corporations, unethical politicians,and unethical financial institutions. The list goes on and on. So yes, it does matter.

You are confusing lawyers with their clients.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

When a post is so clearly mistaken (as was yours), a bare denial is quite sufficient without the need for supporting material.

Bahahahaha! Nope.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

Bahahahaha! Nope.

And you would be in error. Yet again.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:15 PM

You are confusing lawyers with their clients.

Nope, it's the other way around.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

And you would be in error. Yet again.

Says the Conservative lawyer. :lol:
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

Says the Conservative lawyer. :lol:

I have never been a lawyer for the Conservative Party.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

Nope, it's the other way around.

Lawyers are bound to represent their clients to the utmost of their skill and abilities but within the limits set out in the lawyer's Code of Professional Conduct for British Columbia . To do otherwise subjects a lawyer to discipline.
http://www.lawsociet...ble-of-Contents

If you have encountered a lawyer acting contrary to those conduct requirements then file a complaint:
http://www.lawsociet...25&t=Complaints

And unlike many other professions such as teachers, police, nurses, etc. discipline proceedings and rulings are generally a matter of public record and are maintained in a searchable database.

BTW the error in your post that originated this line of debate:

Tell that to the poor shmucks that have been injured in an auto accident and dealt with ICBC's lawyers. How bout Worksafe B.C? There is many more unethical lawyers than ethical. The more they make the more corrupt they are. When a lawyer is involved, someone always suffers.


The error is that very few people deal with lawyers - in 99% of cases at ICBC you are dealing with an adjuster and at Worksafe BC you are dealing with non-lawyer advocates.

And since you are dealing with incredibly complex laws, regulations, policy and case law, you are going to be at serious disadvantage dealing with such lay people who do this for a living. Best advice is to get your own lawyer.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

I'm an applicant this cycle too and TC I would first say that it is an error to believe majoring in Political Science will help your son get into law school easier. Law schools accept virtually any degree, including mathematics (coincidentally math majors who write the LSAT achieve the average highest LSAT scores). What's most important is for your son to be taking a program he enjoys, would be willing to work hard, and consequently get the best grades. Will poli-sci prepare him for legal studies? Maybe, but that's completely a moot point if he hates the program and does not get the grades necessary to be a competitive applicant in the first place.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

I always picture Wetcoaster posting from a stuffed-back leather chair while smoking a pipe.
He's like a father-figure to me.


It appears that he's ignored this post.

Neglected by your own father (figure)... Dear me.
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