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#181 TimberWolf

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

I saw a few good, clean hits tonight against Detroit and none of them were by Kassian, our supposed physical presence.

Pinozotto has one

Edler had a great one on Franzen I believe!

Weise had one (on Datsyuk)

Kesler had one (on Datsyuk again)

That's what you have to do to good players like Datsyuk, unless you're more skilled than him and basically nobody on the Canucks is.

All I saw Kassian do was get poke-checked at the Detroit line...Sigh. Pathetic. Doesn't even try to throw a hit. Oh and he was on the second line tonight, 13:19 TOI and did nothing. So what's his excuse this game? He was playing with Kes and MayRay....


Kassian was credited with 3 hits last night.The only comparables were Lappy/Wesie with 4 and Hansen/ Alberts with 3. When you looked up all those stats including Kassians TOI, you would have seen that there. Yes one hit was memorable, he stapled a Wing in front of the benches.

I am just going to assume the truth couldn't get through your hate filter...

Edited by TimberWolf, 21 April 2013 - 08:34 AM.

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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:34 AM

Absolutely terrible game by everyone except Garrison and Schneider. Say what you want about Detroit, they're a non-playoff team right now and they embarassed us. Nearly outshot us 3-1 and out-chanced us as well.

Jason Garrison played a mammoth game for the Canucks once again - he is by far our best defenceman, if not our MVP, and no one is giving him the credit he deserves. Defensively, this guy is a stud in front of our own net. I'm always watching him clear the crease with ease, and he has a nasty streak to him that the Canucks have missed since Mitchell left. Thank god for Garrison, because without him this team is not a playoff team and the defence REALLY would have fallen apart. That's not even to mention the half a dozen scoring chances he created.

Alberts had a strong game as well, as did Barker who was throwing great passes up the ice all night long.

Up front, our forwards couldn't muster any offence up. Everyone was invisible, save for Burrows and Hansen on a couple of "chances" that didn't even make it on net.

Blame fatigue, blame lack of motivation, but performances like this against the 9th seed is a joke.

As for Schneider, I said a while ago that whoever comes up with clutch saves at key times in games deserves to be our starting goalie for the playoffs, and Schneider made some huge saves late in the game, as well as in overtime which is what you need in the playoffs. This was one game against a terrible offence though (Detroit have really struggled offensively of late so don't look too much into this) - I will judge his entire season based on his performances against Chicago and Anaheim.


LOL, this is ridiculous. Should Lou's entire season be judged by his performances in two games vs Detroit.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:41 AM

another pathetic effort by 95% of the team.
as a positive this team should be fresh for the playoffs since they haven't showed up for a game in about a month.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:44 AM

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Man I'd hate to think how negative the comments would be if we actually lost this game...

Some of you people are just full time complainers. Just support the damn team.

They are what they are. Either support them, or shut up. No one wants to hear your constant b*tching about what's wrong. It doesn't change anything.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:48 AM

Kassian was credited with 3 hits last night.The only comparables were Lappy/Wesie with 4 and Hansen/ Alberts with 3. When you looked up all those stats including Kassians TOI, you would have seen that there. Yes one hit was memorable, he stapled a Wing in front of the benches.

I am just going to assume the truth couldn't get through your hate filter...


Good post. I think people are just frustrated with Kassian not producing at the clip he was to start the season, that they ignore the little things he does really well. He's actually pretty good defensively for his age/role, is a good passer, decent hands in front of the net, and stands up for his teammates
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:53 AM

Good post. I think people are just frustrated with Kassian not producing at the clip he was to start the season, that they ignore the little things he does really well. He's actually pretty good defensively for his age/role, is a good passer, decent hands in front of the net, and stands up for his teammates


He is horrible defensively, even for his age.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:59 AM

Not one single thing to be proud of tonight other than Schneider....and that is just sad.


edler, and lappy scored, i think that was good. also hammer and garrison played awesome. oh and no third period meltdowns like the dallas game.... when you win its just not the goaltending... lol its the fact the wings couldn't find the net.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:01 AM

He is horrible defensively, even for his age.


Kassian plays just fine in his own end when our D aren't running around like idiots.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:04 AM

edler, and lappy scored, i think that was good. also hammer and garrison played awesome. oh and no third period meltdowns like the dallas game.... when you win its just not the goaltending... lol its the fact the wings couldn't find the net.


I don't think some people realize that the Wings gave it everything they had. That was a must win for them and we limited them to 1 goal.

You can complain about the Canucks effort, but the bottom line is, they didn't need to win that game. They put minimal effort in and still won the game. Any team that can do that is a pretty good team, with great goalteding.

If the offense gets rolling here, they're in great shape.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:11 AM

You're talking about 2013-14, right? Well all I can say is, how that season plays out depends first on what they do with Luongo - who do they trade him for? If it's for someone like a Shea Weber or a Henrik Zetterberg (whether or not that turns out so), then they'll still be sound. If they give him away for nothing, they're left with a huge hole - no free agents can fill it. Kiss the playoffs and the Stanley Cup goodbye.

Got to agree, the rest of the division is gotten better, while the Nucks have been complacently sinking like the Titanic. Edmonton is just one or two trades away from becoming a division contender. Colorado with a lotto-pick, you can expect them to explode soon. Calgary has done more than Vancouver to climb up, while Minnesota is already challenging Vancouver.

We just made the 2013 playoffs. Locked. In.

Next up, NW title (again) & Stanley (finally).

http://forum.canucks.../#entry11065503

Click the link, and you'll know what I was talking about.

I didn't write that atrocity of a post. I am just serving up a good old plate of crow for King of the BS to eat.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:15 AM

Kassian plays just fine in his own end when our D aren't running around like idiots.


That's not true, I've noticed more times then I can count zack not on his check just standing there watching the game. Sometimes it looks like he's thinking "I've got great seats to the game tonight, wow look at that pass".
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:21 AM

That's not true, I've noticed more times then I can count zack not on his check just standing there watching the game. Sometimes it looks like he's thinking "I've got great seats to the game tonight, wow look at that pass".


On most of those plays, the D also did something stupid, making it a little difficult for Kass to figure out which of 2 wide open guys he should cover.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

That's not true, I've noticed more times then I can count zack not on his check just standing there watching the game. Sometimes it looks like he's thinking "I've got great seats to the game tonight, wow look at that pass".


When we're getting out shot like we have been lately, it's not like every player on the team hasn't been guilty of that.

If he's putting in a lazy effort, it's up to the coaching staff and his teammates to give him some guidance. He is still a young guy that needs some help learning the pro game. It would be nice if one of our leaders like Kesler took him under his wing and taught him some things.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

I don't think some people realize that the Wings gave it everything they had. That was a must win for them and we limited them to 1 goal.

You can complain about the Canucks effort, but the bottom line is, they didn't need to win that game. They put minimal effort in and still won the game. Any team that can do that is a pretty good team, with great goalteding.

If the offense gets rolling here, they're in great shape.

Yeah, they'll start putting it all together in the playoffs. We seriously need Higgins in the lineup, though. He makes our offense click. Bieksa and Tanev need to be back too, because they complete our right side in the back, and Bieksa solidifies our top 4 D.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:28 AM

Out of shape
Didn't want to be here
Didn't fit on the team


haha. if you keep repeating these things they still are not true

We gave away Two young players on pace for 30 goals in a full season while paying 5 million for roy, 4 mill for booth and relying on a bunch of ahl players. Gillis has mismanaged the talent on this team and it is a far worse team than it should be skill wise. for the $$$$$ and for the future PERIOD.

FYI.. we don't need grit on the 3rd line.. we didn't lose in the playoffs any year because of lack of grit. .we lost because we didn't score. This year will be no different unless our goalies stand on their heads and we win 1-0 all the time. It didn't have to be this way.


This guy is a troll, didn't the two players get moved two years ago, who cares?
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

Got a win against a desperate team, secured a playoff spot, and we're doing better at clearing the front of the net.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

Gut check time. I just waded through 7 pages of this crap. Should I fight through the pain and venture into the [Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 7.0? There has only been 10 pages added since the end of the trade deadline. Perhaps I should do battle with those who claim that CoHo and MiGra are superstars and leagues ahead of anyone on the Canucks. Did you know they would be top scorers on this team if they were still here? Or I could have another cup of coffee, open up the blinds and go outdoors to clash with my yard.

FYI the next game of any importance for this team will be ~April 30th. Bring your white towels, we're gonna need them this year. GCG.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:29 AM

I don't think some people realize that the Wings gave it everything they had. That was a must win for them and we limited them to 1 goal.

You can complain about the Canucks effort, but the bottom line is, they didn't need to win that game. They put minimal effort in and still won the game. Any team that can do that is a pretty good team, with great goalteding.

If the offense gets rolling here, they're in great shape.



You say they put in minimal effort yet Hank said it was one of the best games they'd played in weeks. One of you is mistaken.

Only time will show us whether this team is deliberately coasting into the playoffs and whether or not they can get their offense on track.

They have struggled all year to be consistent in their effort, offensive pressure and D-zone coverage. It's close to crunch time.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

I don't think some people realize that the Wings gave it everything they had. That was a must win for them and we limited them to 1 goal.

You can complain about the Canucks effort, but the bottom line is, they didn't need to win that game. They put minimal effort in and still won the game. Any team that can do that is a pretty good team, with great goalteding.

If the offense gets rolling here, they're in great shape.


So true.

People don't understand that NHL hockey is a battle, not a cake walk. They expect flawless execution, end to end rushes and danglers that produce spectacular highlight film. But, really, it's a grind it out deal at times. It's a dig to the bottom of the tank affair at times especially after, what?, 6 games in 9 days (or something similar) where there have been long flights in between. The guys who pick up controllers can win that way (razzle dazzle all the time) but these are not robots or simulated players...they're human beings. Some days, it's going to be ugly. Tired. Less than perfect but, if they scrape it out, they're ok.

Here's what I care about - I care about winning. And when they win, they've done enough...isn't always pretty. Sometimes they don't deserve it but, if they've managed to somehow do it, it's good enough for me. Wish people here were more realistic with their expectations. We don't need to "look" the best, we need to get the most points. And we're doing ok with that.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:38 AM

http://forum.canucks.../#entry11065503

Click the link, and you'll know what I was talking about.

I didn't write that atrocity of a post. I am just serving up a good old plate of crow for King of the BS to eat.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

I hope this teams has move shots on goal against the Hawks but a win is a win. :towel:
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:05 AM

This guy is a troll, didn't the two players get moved two years ago, who cares?


No they didn't get moved two years ago.. I apparently care, as do others.

I'm sure you and De Niro watch your dogs crap on the rug give them a biscuit pat them on the head and say good boy.

This team can't score right now. That looks even grimmer in the future. Didn't have to be this way, and as long as this management and coaching staff continues along as they are we will continue to lose games, eke out wins and see early exists from the playoffs, while our own first round picks that were run out of town by this coach thrive on other teams.

As far as crystal balls.. if they didn't see these players as being good in the future why select them in the first round :picard: :rolleyes: what an astonishingly stupid argument in "support" of the team/management.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:16 AM

So true.

Here's what I care about - I care about winning. And when they win, they've done enough...isn't always pretty. Sometimes they don't deserve it but, if they've managed to somehow do it, it's good enough for me. Wish people here were more realistic with their expectations. We don't need to "look" the best, we need to get the most points. And we're doing ok with that.


Sure...for a game here and there it can be ugly and a W is a W but...when the defficiencies, lack of effort etc. keep repeating game after game, the symptoms will eventually lead to illness.

I know where you're coming from but you remind me of my wife with her car...as loiong as it starts and moves when she puts it in gear, allis well. Smoke from the rear, grinding noises etc, go unnoticed and un-reported. She's happy. Problem is, eventually the car breaks down.

This team shows "symptoms" of not being healthy enough to go deep against any contending teams. Does it mean they won't, of course not. Anything is possible but if you can't score more than 1 goal a game, you had better have the best D and Goaltending in the league every night. So far this year, their D-zone has been lacking and it has fallen on the goalies to keep them in it. What happens when they face a goalie of equal quality and a team that can score...see Boston, LA series!!

We all want them to win and it is always better than losing but, some of us care HOW the team is playing as it is often an indicator of how successful they will be down the road. Many of us remember the team's performance heading into last year's playoffs and how many were saying "they're saving it" or "they'll elevate their game come playoffs". Well...they didn't. Scary thing is, last year's team was not playing great down the stretch but was still playing better than this team is now.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:16 AM

Grabner for Ballard didn't work out as well as we had hoped, but the Hodgson trade didn't mortgage our future uless you can see in to the future and know that Kassian is a shred of the player Hodgson has turned in to.

I think we look pretty decent in the future with guys like Kassian, Jensen, Corrado, Schroeder, Gaunce, Lack, Rodin, Lain. We have a lot of bigger guys developing, and if Kassian, Jensen, and Gaunce can pan out then we would have a pretty awesome ENORMOUS line.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:29 AM

Was at work.... So woooooooooooooot!! Both my teams win last night! (Altho the flyers win was immaterial) .... The drummer of the headliner last night is a total oilers fan.... We have an ongoing battle.... Was nice to say 'we clinched' to him..... Good times!
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

Grabner for Ballard didn't work out as well as we had hoped, but the Hodgson trade didn't mortgage our future uless you can see in to the future and know that Kassian is a shred of the player Hodgson has turned in to.

I think we look pretty decent in the future with guys like Kassian, Jensen, Corrado, Schroeder, Gaunce, Lack, Rodin, Lain. We have a lot of bigger guys developing, and if Kassian, Jensen, and Gaunce can pan out then we would have a pretty awesome ENORMOUS line.


Next year, I would oove to see th NUcks put togethe rthat "kid line" and go with it for the season. Gaunce and Jensen have already shown they are very responsible defensively and Kass is learning. Let the kids develop an identity, chemistry and attitude for a lengthy period. It may cost us early in the season as they learn but it could pay huge dividends as the season goes on.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:35 AM

Man I'd hate to think how negative the comments would be if we actually lost this game...

Some of you people are just full time complainers. Just support the damn team.

They are what they are. Either support them, or shut up. No one wants to hear your constant b*tching about what's wrong. It doesn't change anything.


I am going to agree with you Deniro. The negativity solves nothing. I thought Schneider played very well. I was very surprised how well Cam Barker managed with Keith Ballard.

I am happy for Derek Roy as well. He looked effective as his own center. All around solid effort against a veteran savvy team desperate for points.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

Incredibly boring hockey. The Canucks are now probably the 2nd or 3rd most boring team in the league, and we can give the credit to AV, who couldn't spell entertainment if you gave him all day to try.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

Sure...for a game here and there it can be ugly and a W is a W but...when the defficiencies, lack of effort etc. keep repeating game after game, the symptoms will eventually lead to illness.

I know where you're coming from but you remind me of my wife with her car...as loiong as it starts and moves when she puts it in gear, allis well. Smoke from the rear, grinding noises etc, go unnoticed and un-reported. She's happy. Problem is, eventually the car breaks down.

This team shows "symptoms" of not being healthy enough to go deep against any contending teams. Does it mean they won't, of course not. Anything is possible but if you can't score more than 1 goal a game, you had better have the best D and Goaltending in the league every night. So far this year, their D-zone has been lacking and it has fallen on the goalies to keep them in it. What happens when they face a goalie of equal quality and a team that can score...see Boston, LA series!!

We all want them to win and it is always better than losing but, some of us care HOW the team is playing as it is often an indicator of how successful they will be down the road. Many of us remember the team's performance heading into last year's playoffs and how many were saying "they're saving it" or "they'll elevate their game come playoffs". Well...they didn't. Scary thing is, last year's team was not playing great down the stretch but was still playing better than this team is now.

You pretty much nailed it. If this roster was made up of rookies I could cheer along without a lot of thought otherwise. My concern is this a CUP quality group not that far off the 2011 model. The biggest concern is the window is closing for some of the biggest parts of this team. Any suggestion that this group is 'coasting' into playoffs is ignoring the entire season to date. When a fan wonders why they struggle it is a legitimate concern usually prompted because they care. I have never seen a team that thru it into neutral and then turned it around come playoffs. To me appears to be a systems issue and not specific players.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

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What is this that I m seeing, the abiltiy to change? evolve? be the bigger man??

however .... Nice :)
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