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#1 canucksuberalles

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:17 PM

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May I be so bold as to say to you coach, considering your track record with younger players of recent, to offer you some advice.

Please for the love of Gawd don't f#@k-up Corrado's confidence. Don't sit him, don't play head games with him. Let him play. He looks good.

Please!!

I mean it must be tempting, after making Kassian a complete basket-case of late, for you to beak off non-sensically about some shortcomings but, it would behoove you to zip it and let the kid play. No Hodgsonesque questioning of his committment to play, no Grabneresque......oh bloody hell, you get it.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

Already 10 threads for this.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

He will totally read this!
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:25 PM

May I be so bold as to say to you coach, considering your track record with younger players of recent, to offer you some advice.

Please for the love of Gawd don't f#@k-up Corrado's confidence. Don't sit him, don't play head games with him. Let him play. He looks good.

Please!!

I mean it must be tempting, after making Kassian a complete basket-case of late, for you to beak off non-sensically about some shortcomings but, it would behoove you to zip it and let the kid play. No Hodgsonesque questioning of his committment to play, no Grabneresque......oh bloody hell, you get it.

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Peace.

Forget it, you're talking about AV here, thick skull! AV's I mean0)
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:26 PM

Why u hatin?
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:38 PM

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His track record of young players:

Schneider
Burrows
Kesler
Tanev
Hansen
Raymond

To a lesser extent (but have seen their emergence under AV):
Sedins
Bieksa

Not sure how you can pin Kassian on AV (making him a basket-case is a joke) he is a professional hockey player if he can't stand his coaches criticism he shouldn't be playing (my guess is he can and he will be better for it). You don't just throw a player on the first line because of his potential... he has to earn it... if you people had your way Minny would have ran away with the division and we would be fighting for a playoff spot right now.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:42 PM

Corrado makes no mistakes and works hard = won't get benched

Corrado makes mistakes, even If minor = benched

I don't always agree with AV, but he does it right. Rookies have to learn the hard way, it's for his own good. If he doesn't get punished for his mistakes, he will take his ice time for granted.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:48 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:52 PM

A lot of people don't realize this but some of our best players have been brought up and molded by AV. :blink: :mindblown:
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:03 PM

Another delusional thread...,
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

Frankie played 17:20 tonight. More than Barker and Alberts.
Top 4 ice-time in his first career game.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:15 PM

Corrado makes no mistakes and works hard = won't get benched

Corrado makes mistakes, even If minor = benched

I don't always agree with AV, but he does it right. Rookies have to learn the hard way, it's for his own good. If he doesn't get punished for his mistakes, he will take his ice time for granted.


Is that why Edler and Bieksa take their ice times for granted? Because they earned it when they were younger but now that they are vets, they can make mistakes and continue to be thrown out on the ice?

Sorry for the sarcasm.
Just pointing out that maybe he should treat people equally or it might be considered favoritism or perhaps "ageism".

When younger players get benched for every little mistake and then see their vets make tons of glaring mistakes yet still being given ice time might actually hamper their development and result in negative feelings toward the organization.

Gillis has always said the best players will play. Now what kind of a message would it send it he says that and if a rookie is playing better than a vet but gets benched as soon as he makes a mistake?
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:16 PM

Whatever dude, AV gave Tanev a chance and he got to be a regular on the team. Plus he gave Corrado plenty of ice time and I think even PP minutes if I recall correctly. What else do you want!?
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

Whatever dude, AV gave Tanev a chance and he got to be a regular on the team. Plus he gave Corrado plenty of ice time and I think even PP minutes if I recall correctly. What else do you want!?


AV will play rookies if they are defensively sound. Tanev has been sound. Corrado looked great tonight.
It doesnt take a genius to keep playing players that are playing nearly perfect.

The area where AV struggles is young offensive players that sometimes make mistakes. These are the types of players that will get benched.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:50 PM

His track record of young players:

Schneider
Burrows
Kesler
Tanev
Hansen
Raymond

To a lesser extent (but have seen their emergence under AV):
Sedins
Bieksa

Not sure how you can pin Kassian on AV (making him a basket-case is a joke) he is a professional hockey player if he can't stand his coaches criticism he shouldn't be playing (my guess is he can and he will be better for it). You don't just throw a player on the first line because of his potential... he has to earn it... if you people had your way Minny would have ran away with the division and we would be fighting for a playoff spot right now.


I don't think AV is bad with Rookies, atleast some of them, I have kinda changed my opinion on that a bit.

But Schneider and the Sedins were in no way his develops.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

Because AV actively reads all threads in CDC addressed to him.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:08 AM

I don't think AV is bad with Rookies, atleast some of them, I have kinda changed my opinion on that a bit.

But Schneider and the Sedins were in no way his develops.

Sorry forgot Edler... well if that is true then in no way was Shirokov, Grabner whoever else people want to pin their failed career's on AV for, are on him either.

edit: not that Grabs' career is failed... but he failed here.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:12 AM

Sorry forgot Edler... well if that is true then in no way was Shirokov, Grabner whoever else people want to pin their failed career's on AV for, are on him either.

edit: not that Grabs' career is failed... but he failed here.


Shirokov's failed due to Coaching and Management.

Grabner had no place here either way.

Now to get back to what I was saying before, Schneider was made in the AHL. He came into the NHL ready and poised to be a star. Nothing to do with coaching.

And the Sedins are cause of Crow. They were PPG before AV.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:13 AM

Hey guys, I just talked to AV. He said he had read the thread, but he didn't have time to post until tomorrow
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:14 AM

Why do players fail? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT?
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:15 AM

Is that why Edler and Bieksa take their ice times for granted? Because they earned it when they were younger but now that they are vets, they can make mistakes and continue to be thrown out on the ice?

Sorry for the sarcasm.
Just pointing out that maybe he should treat people equally or it might be considered favoritism or perhaps "ageism".

When younger players get benched for every little mistake and then see their vets make tons of glaring mistakes yet still being given ice time might actually hamper their development and result in negative feelings toward the organization.

Gillis has always said the best players will play. Now what kind of a message would it send it he says that and if a rookie is playing better than a vet but gets benched as soon as he makes a mistake?


At the end of the day, coaches are coaching for their jobs. This little factoid means that they play the players they feel will give them the best chance to win. Veterans such as bieksa and edler have proven to Av over years of service that they can get the job done. Some rookie who gives certain fans a hard on because he's their new shiny toy does not mean that Av will play them.

THIS IS THE NHL! when will some fans realize this? We're a rich team. If rookies dont produce, we sign players that will. If rookies come in and develop, and they play well, then yes, they will become a part of this team.

Tanev is young and was playing over our top Dman because he was reliable. Corrado had the same treatment tonight. He played well and was rewarded. Coaches in the NHL dont have time for nerves unless they're out of the playoffs (such as Forsberg in Nashville). I understand that some fans may not feel this way, but we are a top tier organization in the NHL and rookies need to earn their keep if they want to stay with the big club, and if they have trouble with that, they can go play with a lesser organization (like umberger in Columbus, Hodgson in Buffalo and grabner in New York). But please, chill out. Veterans that have proven they can get the job done for many years are given more room for error than some rookie who the coach hardly knows. Why is this so hard to understand for some people?

Edited by rambo1515, 23 April 2013 - 12:19 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

This is a precautionary thread because he ruined Chris Tanev by rushing him in 2011 right?

Owait...

Huh?
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:20 AM

I hope we win the cup and then fire AV
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:34 AM

I hope we win the cup and then fire AV


Awesome..thanks for your input.
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