Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 His track record of young players: Schneider Burrows Kesler Tanev Hansen Raymond To a lesser extent (but have seen their emergence under AV): Sedins Bieksa Not sure how you can pin Kassian on AV (making him a basket-case is a joke) he is a professional hockey player if he can't stand his coaches criticism he shouldn't be playing (my guess is he can and he will be better for it). You don't just throw a player on the first line because of his potential... he has to earn it... if you people had your way Minny would have ran away with the division and we would be fighting for a playoff spot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lychees Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Because AV actively reads all threads in CDC addressed to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I don't think AV is bad with Rookies, atleast some of them, I have kinda changed my opinion on that a bit. But Schneider and the Sedins were in no way his develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Sorry forgot Edler... well if that is true then in no way was Shirokov, Grabner whoever else people want to pin their failed career's on AV for, are on him either. edit: not that Grabs' career is failed... but he failed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:D Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hey guys, I just talked to AV. He said he had read the thread, but he didn't have time to post until tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:D Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Why do players fail? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo1515 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Is that why Edler and Bieksa take their ice times for granted? Because they earned it when they were younger but now that they are vets, they can make mistakes and continue to be thrown out on the ice? Sorry for the sarcasm. Just pointing out that maybe he should treat people equally or it might be considered favoritism or perhaps "ageism". When younger players get benched for every little mistake and then see their vets make tons of glaring mistakes yet still being given ice time might actually hamper their development and result in negative feelings toward the organization. Gillis has always said the best players will play. Now what kind of a message would it send it he says that and if a rookie is playing better than a vet but gets benched as soon as he makes a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 This is a precautionary thread because he ruined Chris Tanev by rushing him in 2011 right? Owait... Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangler696969 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I hope we win the cup and then fire AV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I hope we win the cup and then fire AV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 May I be so bold as to say to you coach, considering your track record with younger players of recent, to offer you some advice. Please for the love of Gawd don't f#@k-up Corrado's confidence. Don't sit him, don't play head games with him. Let him play. He looks good. Please!! I mean it must be tempting, after making Kassian a complete basket-case of late, for you to beak off non-sensically about some shortcomings but, it would behoove you to zip it and let the kid play. No Hodgsonesque questioning of his committment to play, no Grabneresque......oh bloody hell, you get it. #26- Petri Skriko's old number, Great Tursas Beard!!! Love it!! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 AV doesn't "hate prospects" he just likes to win more than likes coddling them. if you pull your head out of your butt you'll see AV's treatment of prospects is quite simple: play well both directions and you'll get ice time. This isn't something new. He did it with Burrows, Kesler, Hansen and Raymond and they're all better for it. Hansen and Raymond are prime examples of AV. Moved down lines and benched for poor defensive play in their early years and now both are reliable penalty killers and play a solid two way game. It's how you win games and AV likes to win. Look no further than Tanev on the D side of it. The notion he hates prospects is a complete fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 At the end of the day, coaches are coaching for their jobs. This little factoid means that they play the players they feel will give them the best chance to win. Veterans such as bieksa and edler have proven to Av over years of service that they can get the job done. Some rookie who gives certain fans a hard on because he's their new shiny toy does not mean that Av will play them. THIS IS THE NHL! when will some fans realize this? We're a rich team. If rookies dont produce, we sign players that will. If rookies come in and develop, and they play well, then yes, they will become a part of this team. Tanev is young and was playing over our top Dman because he was reliable. Corrado had the same treatment tonight. He played well and was rewarded. Coaches in the NHL dont have time for nerves unless they're out of the playoffs (such as Forsberg in Nashville). I understand that some fans may not feel this way, but we are a top tier organization in the NHL and rookies need to earn their keep if they want to stay with the big club, and if they have trouble with that, they can go play with a lesser organization (like umberger in Columbus, Hodgson in Buffalo and grabner in New York). But please, chill out. Veterans that have proven they can get the job done for many years are given more room for error than some rookie who the coach hardly knows. Why is this so hard to understand for some people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 At lost some common sense. Nice post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 At the end of the day, coaches are coaching for their jobs. This little factoid means that they play the players they feel will give them the best chance to win. Veterans such as bieksa and edler have proven to Av over years of service that they can get the job done. Some rookie who gives certain fans a hard on because he's their new shiny toy does not mean that Av will play them. THIS IS THE NHL! when will some fans realize this? We're a rich team. If rookies dont produce, we sign players that will. If rookies come in and develop, and they play well, then yes, they will become a part of this team. Tanev is young and was playing over our top Dman because he was reliable. Corrado had the same treatment tonight. He played well and was rewarded. Coaches in the NHL dont have time for nerves unless they're out of the playoffs (such as Forsberg in Nashville). I understand that some fans may not feel this way, but we are a top tier organization in the NHL and rookies need to earn their keep if they want to stay with the big club, and if they have trouble with that, they can go play with a lesser organization (like umberger in Columbus, Hodgson in Buffalo and grabner in New York). But please, chill out. Veterans that have proven they can get the job done for many years are given more room for error than some rookie who the coach hardly knows. Why is this so hard to understand for some people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree with what you are saying about AV playing players who he thinks will give him the best chance to win but I'm questioning whether he is making the right choices. I like Bieksa (Edler not as much) but when those 2 are constantly making mistakes and AV throws them out on the ice time after time, he really ISNT giving himself the best chance to win. He is blinded by his own biasness and so are you. When Edler got walked around yesterday, if that was Corrado, despite the awesome game he was having, his ass would be stapled to the bench after that (esp in the 3rd) That kind of coaching hampers development and in a sense, AV let his bias in going with vets result in perhaps playing a vet (who thinks he has a better chance to win with) over a player that is actually playing better and giving the team a better chance to win. Now if Corrado got dangled multiple times, I can understand him being benched but it seems like AV has a super short fuse for rookies which might actually be screwing himself over from icing the best team. I'm not saying Corrado, Tanev, Kassian, Shroeder are saviors but I do have a sneaking suspicion that they are capable of playing better with better coaching and opportunities which would help the team perform even better than they are now. For example, Ebett over Schroeder? What does Ebett bring over Jordan besides age? Jordan has better hockey sense, skills, speed, just as reliable defensively, and would make a line of Kassian and Weise much better than Ebett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordiques_fan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Why do players fail? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Is that why Edler and Bieksa take their ice times for granted? Because they earned it when they were younger but now that they are vets, they can make mistakes and continue to be thrown out on the ice? Sorry for the sarcasm. Just pointing out that maybe he should treat people equally or it might be considered favoritism or perhaps "ageism". When younger players get benched for every little mistake and then see their vets make tons of glaring mistakes yet still being given ice time might actually hamper their development and result in negative feelings toward the organization. Gillis has always said the best players will play. Now what kind of a message would it send it he says that and if a rookie is playing better than a vet but gets benched as soon as he makes a mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Good point indeed, but that's the way our coach operates, like it or not. And, to be fair, Edler and Bieksa are vets on this team, and have been apart of our d core for a while now. Showing faith and confidence in them is what AV always wants to do. They earned their ice time in earlier years and have shown what they can do..seniority helps in this case. AV goes by this, some coaches don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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