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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

A part of a landing gear believed to be from one of the commercial airliners destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001 has been discovered wedged between two buildings in lower Manhattan:

A rusted 1.5 metre-tall piece of landing gear believed to be from one of the hijacked planes destroyed in the Sept. 11 attacks has been discovered wedged between a mosque site and a luxury high-rise apartment building near the World Trade Center.


The twisted metal part includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number, New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said Friday. It has cables and levers on it and is about a metre wide and half a metre deep.


"The odds of this being wedged between there is amazing," Browne said, adding it was not surprising that it went undiscovered for more than a decade given the location. "It had to have fallen just the right way to make it into that space."


Other World Trade Center wreckage had been discovered at the buildings and around the area in years past.


The piece of equipment was discovered Wednesday by surveyors inspecting the lower Manhattan site of a planned Islamic community centre, at 51 Park Place, on behalf of the building's owner, police said.


An inspector was on the roof and noticed the debris and then called police who secured the scene, documenting it with photos.


Police detectives and National Transportation Safety Board investigators will determine whether the equipment is from the American Airlines plane or the United Airlines plane that slammed into the twin towers on Sept. 11, 2001, destroying the towers and killing nearly 3,000 people.


Islamic centre faced street protests in 2010


When plans for the Islamic centre, about three blocks from ground zero, were made public in 2010, opponents said they didn't want a mosque so close to where Islamic extremists attacked. They argued the site was "sacred" because landing gear from one of the hijacked Boeing 767 jets had punctured the roof of the building on Sept. 11.


During street protests, they clashed with supporters of the centre, who said it would promote harmony between Muslims and followers of other faiths.


The building includes a Muslim prayer space that has been open for three years. After protests died down, the centre hosted its first exhibit last year. The space remains under renovation.


Donna Marsh O'Connor, who lost her daughter Vanessa Lang Langer in the attacks and is a member of September 11th Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow, called the landing gear discovery "bizarre."


O'Connor is a supporter of the Islamic centre and said the fact that the plane fragment was found there "makes me think that this was the right place for a centre that was going to heal the divide."


In a statement, Sharif El-Gamal, the president of Soho Properties, which owns 51 Park Place, said workers called the city and the police as soon as they discovered the landing gear. He said the company is cooperating with the city and the police to make sure the piece of equipment "is removed with care as quickly and effectively as possible."


The medical examiner's office will complete a health and safety evaluation to determine whether to sift the soil around the buildings for possible human remains, police said.


Patricia Riley, whose sister Lorraine Riley was killed in the Sept. 11 attacks, called the landing gear discovery "very strange."


"Twelve years later we are still finding remnants of the attack on our country," she said. "... For years to come we'll continue to find things that we didn't see before. Hopefully they'll serve as a reminder that we have to stay vigilant."


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

CONSPIRACY
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:10 PM

CONSPIRACY

More planted evidence, amirite???
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

Don't worry guys, I'm analyzing grainy footage and researching a bunch of irrelevant data as we speak. Bush can't hide from us any longer.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

I guess you guys all just ignore the piles of evidence that has come out after 9/11.

It's okay, just keep your heads in the sand.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

Did they find the $25,000 I lost that day?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

Did they find the $25,000 I lost that day?

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No, but they found all of the terrorists passports next to it in perfect condition.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

Are they going to remove it? I would leave it there as something for people to come see and marvel at. With the fact that it fell in just the right way to get stuck in there, removing it almost feels wrong. Sorta like bringing the Titanic up. It just shouldn't be done.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:22 PM

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I guess you guys all just ignore the piles of evidence that has come out after 9/11.

It's okay, just keep your heads in the sand.

Nope, I laugh at what conspiracy theorists think constitutes evidence.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

The biggest problem with these conspiracy theories is that they assume a level of government competence that has never previously been displayed.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

Nope, I laugh at what conspiracy theorists think constitutes evidence.


You need to follow a little more closely then.

The fact that Dick Cheney isn't in jail right now is unbelievable.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:40 PM

The biggest problem with these conspiracy theories is that they assume a level of government competence that has never previously been displayed.


It's not the government. Bush was just a puppet president, I think that was pretty obvious. He didn't even win the election first of all.

It's the people behind the scenes that are the sinister ones. All you have to do is follow the money, and see how many of Bush's buddies made billions after 9/11 to figure it out.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

You need to follow a little more closely then.

The fact that Dick Cheney isn't in jail right now is unbelievable.

I agree Dick Cheny should be in jail but it has nothing to do with wack a doodle 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

It's not the government. Bush was just a puppet president, I think that was pretty obvious. He didn't even win the election first of all.

It's the people behind the scenes that are the sinister ones. All you have to do is follow the money, and see how many of Bush's buddies made billions after 9/11 to figure it out.

It may be obvious to you. But for those of us who have real world experience, can assess relevant evidence as whole and do not live in our parents' basements... not so much.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:55 PM

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I agree Dick Cheny should be in jail but it has nothing to do with wack a doodle 9/11 conspiracy theories.


Of course it does. The fact that Cheney and Bush fabricated a war against Iraq, and then awarded contracts to companies that they had stakes in shows a clear indication of criminal activity. Oh and guess who else had stakes in those companies? The Bin Ladens. Anyone who doesn't find that the little bit suspicious isn't very intuitive.

Your problem seems to be that you lump all "conspiracy nuts" into one category, because it's simpler for you. When the reality is there are lots of intelligent people out there with legitimate questions based on evidence.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

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It may be obvious to you. But for those of us who have real world experience, can assess relevant evidence as whole and do not live in our parents' basements... not so much.


I pity you. You're clearly one of those people who thinks they're smarter than everyone else, and therefore above them.

People like that are rarely ever happy.

And by the way I don't live in my parents basement, have lots of "real" world experience, and am quite happy with my life. Good attempt to try and belittle me like you do with anyone who doesn't agree with you on here. :rolleyes:
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:03 PM

I pity you. You're clearly one of those people who thinks they're smarter than everyone else, and therefore above them.

People like that are rarely ever happy.

And by the way I don't live in my parents basement, have lots of "real" world experience, and am quite happy with my life. Good attempt to try and belittle me like you do with anyone who doesn't agree with you on here. :rolleyes:

I pity you MORE.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

Of course it does. The fact that Cheney and Bush fabricated a war against Iraq, and then awarded contracts to companies that they had stakes in shows a clear indication of criminal activity. Oh and guess who else had stakes in those companies? The Bin Ladens. Anyone who doesn't find that the little bit suspicious isn't very intuitive.

Your problem seems to be that you lump all "conspiracy nuts" into one category, because it's simpler for you. When the reality is there are lots of intelligent people out there with legitimate questions based on evidence.

No problem that I can see.

There are number of various flavours of conspiracy nuts but they invariably share some common wack a doodle thought processes.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

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It may be obvious to you. But for those of us who have real world experience, can assess relevant evidence as whole and do not live in our parents' basements... not so much.


Why do you always resort to belittling when engaging a respectful debate? Do you do that in the courts as well?

"The plaintiff lives in his mothers basement, he must be guiilllttaay"
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

Why do you always resort to belittling when engaging a respectful debate? Do you do that in the courts as well?

"The plaintiff lives in his mothers basement, he must be guiilllttaay"

I just speak the truth as i see it.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

I just speak the truth as i see it.


you take pleasure in talking down to people that's nothing to be proud of

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:41 PM

I just speak the truth as i see it.


Sharp and BB called.

They want their high horse back.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:46 PM

I just speak the truth as i see it.


A "lawyer" speaking the truth....

Oh the irony.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:48 PM

you take pleasure in talking down to people that's nothing to be proud of

I take no pleasure in it.

I would be pleased to debate with much smarter people, but alas that is a rare occurrence.

One of the partners in my law firm once remarked to me (I was the senior and managing partner of our firm) when we were coming out of a meeting with a consortium of clients and numerous lawyers in a very complex civil litigation case that involved some very sophisticated frauds by an investment firm practised upon numerous doctors and dentists across the country. He said

You know you often give the impression that you are the the smartest person in the room...

And luckily for the firm and our bottom line you are invariably correct.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

A "lawyer" speaking the truth....

Oh the irony.

Nothing ironical about it.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

Sharp and BB called.

They want their high horse back.

They have their own.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:02 PM



I just speak the truth as i see it.


I see you speaking continuous nonsense...interesting "truth" I must say.

It may be obvious to you. But for those of us who have real world experience, can assess relevant evidence as whole and do not live in our parents' basements... not so much.


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Tell that to these parents who wish their children could stay in their basements.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:09 PM

DeNiro, don't bother arguing with delusional people....just a waste of your energy.

Let them be ignorant sheep with the majority.

I don't get how Wetcoaster get's all this rep and credit on CDC, classic douchebag.

Not taking sides in any way, not placing blame, nor attempting to join the arguement....but i really dont think one is more antagonizing than the other.

Both have different opinions, both usually explain thier reasons on why they came to thier opinion....and both usually completely dismiss whatever the other one says.

One labels the other a conspiracy nut/whack-a-doodle...and one labels the other a sheep with his head in the sand.

Wouldnt call either a douche....just two people who consistantly have different opinions.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

I take no pleasure in it.

I would be pleased to debate with much smarter people, but alas that is a rare occurrence.

One of the partners in my law firm once remarked to me (I was the senior and managing partner of our firm) when we were coming out of a meeting with a consortium of clients and numerous lawyers in a very complex civil litigation case that involved some very sophisticated frauds by an investment firm practised upon numerous doctors and dentists across the country. He said

You know you often give the impression that you are the the smartest person in the room...

And luckily for the firm and our bottom line you are invariably correct.

He was probably just trying to get in your pants.
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