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#1 Pyrene

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:14 AM

A year ago when Seguin had a breakout season of 67 pts with the Bruins, people claimed that the Oilers should've taken Seguin over Hall. Now, after this (though shortened season) Seguins stats regressed while Hall's drastically improved. It's also pretty obvious how much skill Hall has too when we watch the 'nux play the Oilers.
So, I'm going to ask the question again.

Who would you rather have taken for 1st overall? Tyler Seguin or Taylor Hall?

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

couple of good fellers gettin into the felleroffs
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:32 AM

I'd still take seguin, hall doesn't have smooth stick skills, eberle does, hall has speed and that's about it. it's a straight up and back type game. I personally don't think he's that great (skill wise) especially after watching him play the canucks this year.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:33 AM

i havent' kept tabs on either of those players. you can't just look up their stats on tsn or nhl.com and build your argument around that. from what i know, seguin has a stanley cup to his name. you can argue that and put an * until the cows come come "he was a young guy on a good bruins team" whatever stuff like that

from what this thread gives me: OMG GIVE IT UP ALREADY. WE LOST TO BOSTON, WE GET IT, BUT WE SHALL SOMEHOW DISCREDIT EVERY PLAYER ON THAT TEAM LIKE WE DID WITH CHICAGO UNTIL MOST OF THEM MOVED ON TO OTHER TEAMS

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:44 AM

Taylor Hall is way to streaky. At times he looks like a dominating unstoppable beast and at times, the complete opposite. Hes been racking up his points in blow out games, and nothing outside of those games. He also have much more ice time then Seguin. If we get Seguin and Hall to switch ice times, Hall will be a 3rd liner, and I highly doubt he be racking up the points now. Credit were its due, Hall is going to be a all star.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:00 AM

Hall if he learns to keep his head up. Seguin has the handicap of being taught how to be a classless piece of trash.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:22 AM

I'd say Hall tidies up a little better.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:45 AM

i havent' kept tabs on either of those players. you can't just look up their stats on tsn or nhl.com and build your argument around that. from what i know, seguin has a stanley cup to his name. you can argue that and put an * until the cows come come "he was a young guy on a good bruins team" whatever stuff like that

from what this thread gives me: OMG GIVE IT UP ALREADY. WE LOST TO BOSTON, WE GET IT, BUT WE SHALL SOMEHOW DISCREDIT EVERY PLAYER ON THAT TEAM LIKE WE DID WITH CHICAGO UNTIL MOST OF THEM MOVED ON TO OTHER TEAMS


Wow, some people, huh?
if you haven't kept tab and can't input into the discussion, why come and post?

Furthermore, I'm not just looking at stats, I do watch some Oilers game now and then, and I am continuously astounded by Hall's speed and passing abilities--the chemistry with Eberle is insane. Seguin has a Stanley Cup ring, but how is that relevant to whether you would choose Seguin or not? If Oilers ended up taking Seguin, it'd be Hall on the Bruins team with the ring.
Lastly, your post is completely irrelevant to my thread. Find me proof that I am discrediting either of these players. It would seem you are more buttsore of the outcome of the 2011 Stanley Cup playoffs than I am. If that's what you got from reading my post, I suggest you retake your English 8 highschool course because your ability to analyze text is terrible.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

I'd still take seguin, hall doesn't have smooth stick skills, eberle does, hall has speed and that's about it. it's a straight up and back type game. I personally don't think he's that great (skill wise) especially after watching him play the canucks this year.


Smooth stick skill doesn't alway transition to production though-> ie. Datsyuk vs M. St.Louis scenario. imo Hall's vision and passing abilities are pretty underrated. Seguin would be more fun to watch, no doubt, but I can see Hall's production being a lot higher over these next few years.


Taylor Hall is way to streaky. At times he looks like a dominating unstoppable beast and at times, the complete opposite. Hes been racking up his points in blow out games, and nothing outside of those games. He also have much more ice time then Seguin. If we get Seguin and Hall to switch ice times, Hall will be a 3rd liner, and I highly doubt he be racking up the points now. Credit were its due, Hall is going to be a all star.


I agree on the streaky aspect, but I'd say they're pretty even in terms of being streaky.

Edited by Pyrene, 27 April 2013 - 01:54 AM.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:52 AM

Seguin. He's starting to become corrupted by the Bruins, but nonetheless, he's still the better player.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:53 AM

I would choose Hall. More skill, passing and scoring abilities than Seguin
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:13 AM

hall has jordan eberle on his line........ enough said
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:40 AM

Tyler Seguin.

Imagine if EDM took the 2nd overall instead of the 1st? They would have a pretty good team now.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:58 AM

Hall maybe. I still think they are both overrated.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

Wow, some people, huh?
if you haven't kept tab and can't input into the discussion, why come and post?

Furthermore, I'm not just looking at stats, I do watch some Oilers game now and then, and I am continuously astounded by Hall's speed and passing abilities--the chemistry with Eberle is insane. Seguin has a Stanley Cup ring, but how is that relevant to whether you would choose Seguin or not? If Oilers ended up taking Seguin, it'd be Hall on the Bruins team with the ring.
Lastly, your post is completely irrelevant to my thread. Find me proof that I am discrediting either of these players. It would seem you are more buttsore of the outcome of the 2011 Stanley Cup playoffs than I am. If that's what you got from reading my post, I suggest you retake your English 8 highschool course because your ability to analyze text is terrible.
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Hahaha great response.

I would have to say Hall... but I have been exposed to him more, and he treated me well on my fantasy team this season, helped me win the league. (Along with Crosby, St.Louis and Ovechkin... can you believe how late Ovi went in my draft? I couldn't.)

Anyways, from what I have seen, he has more of an ability to take over games, he's a powerful player, and he has an elite level shot and ability to score goals. Yes he does have Eberle on his line, but its not necessarily a case of Eberle carrying him, as it was the other way around for a good portion of the season. Yes his play is a little more reckless and he gets injured more, and he doesn't seem to be capable to put a full sentence together, but I still like the way he plays.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

Wow, some people, huh?
if you haven't kept tab and can't input into the discussion, why come and post?

Furthermore, I'm not just looking at stats, I do watch some Oilers game now and then, and I am continuously astounded by Hall's speed and passing abilities--the chemistry with Eberle is insane. Seguin has a Stanley Cup ring, but how is that relevant to whether you would choose Seguin or not? If Oilers ended up taking Seguin, it'd be Hall on the Bruins team with the ring.
Lastly, your post is completely irrelevant to my thread. Find me proof that I am discrediting either of these players. It would seem you are more buttsore of the outcome of the 2011 Stanley Cup playoffs than I am. If that's what you got from reading my post, I suggest you retake your English 8 highschool course because your ability to analyze text is terrible.
Go to bed, it's past your bedtime.

a good chunk of this board just seems to hold vendettas with players teams associated with, but mostly relegated in canucks talk, for the most part but they do migrate. i'm not against you but most of time i'm on here people discredit anything because of the "buttsore" thing. that's my bad. just making sure we're on the same page. i didn't read your whole reply to me, because the overall tone and where it was leading, i'm almost certain you cleverly coated "your dumb" shame. shame.

but if you want my opinion, just throwing that out there. don't have to beat me down anymore. i'm waving the white flag. i surrender. i'm stupid, but i would take taylor hall. well rounded player, strong in the dirty areas, just needs to mature a little more. to me, this is where my opinion comes in, if i may be so bold, seguin was at the right place at the right time, on a strong bruins team where hall is on a rebuilding team, with other guys his age, all learning the game together. i think that's a stronger factor in how a player turns out
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:53 PM

a good chunk of this board just seems to hold vendettas with players teams associated with, but mostly relegated in canucks talk, for the most part but they do migrate. i'm not against you but most of time i'm on here people discredit anything because of the "buttsore" thing. that's my bad. just making sure we're on the same page. i didn't read your whole reply to me, because the overall tone and where it was leading, i'm almost certain you cleverly coated "your dumb" shame. shame.

but if you want my opinion, just throwing that out there. don't have to beat me down anymore. i'm waving the white flag. i surrender. i'm stupid, but i would take taylor hall. well rounded player, strong in the dirty areas, just needs to mature a little more. to me, this is where my opinion comes in, if i may be so bold, seguin was at the right place at the right time, on a strong bruins team where hall is on a rebuilding team, with other guys his age, all learning the game together. i think that's a stronger factor in how a player turns out


I agree, though he isn't quite strong enough yet and is prone to injuries because of getting in the dirty areas. Also, i think that the "rebuilding team" factor is huge, and is a major reason why a player like Schultz chose Edmonton over Van. They all get to experience and learn from mistakes together whereas on a team like the nux or bruins those minutes are significantly harder to earn.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Smooth stick skill doesn't alway transition to production though-> ie. Datsyuk vs M. St.Louis scenario.

What are you saying here?
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

can't really go wrong either way but imo Hall was the right choice

Hall does play a little recklessly and may not have the longevity of a career Seguin may have. But you gotta love that about Hall.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

Hall is the better hockey player. Bigger, faster, stronger. Probably has a harder shot but it seems Tyler's is more accurate.

But Hall isn't consistent. If he brought it every night he has the tools to be a top power forward in the league. Where as Seguin is more consistent. He plays to his strengths.

Although I think Seguin is the safer pick, I'd still take Hall on my team because of the potential.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 05:19 PM

What are you saying here?


Datsyuk has probably the sickest dangles in the league, but in terms of points production, M.St. Louis can produce more(not to take anything away from Datsyuk, as 1. he's a 2way center 2. still produces at about a ppg). M. St. Louis is also nowhere as flashy as Datsyuk is.

But in terms of pure production, and this is purely my preference, I'd take St.Louis over Datsyuk.

Just trying to say you don't have to have the sickest dangles to produce.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:57 PM

Hall will always have higher expectations placed upon him in respect to his value to the Oilers. He is their future captain and 'go to guy'. Seguin will have highly skilled vets around him that will absorb much of the pressure and attention he might get.

I think this might force Hall into developing quicker and (perhaps) become even better than what was projected.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

Datsyuk has probably the sickest dangles in the league, but in terms of points production, M.St. Louis can produce more(not to take anything away from Datsyuk, as 1. he's a 2way center 2. still produces at about a ppg). M. St. Louis is also nowhere as flashy as Datsyuk is.

But in terms of pure production, and this is purely my preference, I'd take St.Louis over Datsyuk.

Just trying to say you don't have to have the sickest dangles to produce.

You know Datsyuk has a better career points per game than St. Louis? Lol. You said "Smooth stick skill doesn't alway transition to production though", which implies Datsyuk does not produce and St. Louis does.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

Hall.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

You know Datsyuk has a better career points per game than St. Louis? Lol. You said "Smooth stick skill doesn't alway transition to production though", which implies Datsyuk does not produce and St. Louis does.


I do. I said smooth stick skill doesn't always translate to production...i never said it can't. Datysuk has better career point totals, but has never had particularly "outstanding" offensive seasons M.St. Louis has. My example of this would be St.Louis's 90+ and 100 pt seasons. Like I said, if I would count on 1 of these players to produce i'd take St.Louis over Datsyuk, not taking anything away from Datysuk as I think he's an amazing player.
Maybe I should've used a better example involving Robbie Schremp vs Yannik Hansen instead?
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:52 PM

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Maybe I should've used a better example involving Robbie Schremp vs Yannik Hansen instead?

Or Daigle vs. anyone.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 08:33 PM

Or Daigle vs. anyone.


That's a touchy topic. Daigle was VERY skilled. He just never loved the game.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 01:06 AM

Hall in the next couple of years, RNH and Eberle will help up his production
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:58 AM

you can't really go wrong either way, but i would definitely take seguin. the point difference can be explained by the fact that the bruins are letting him develop progressively, the bruins play a defensive game style, he's not playing at his natural position, and the bruins PP sucks.

Hall is a wrecking ball, and i'm afraid his career may be cut short because of that (à la Cam Neely).

either way seguin plays a better two way game (he's a +32, compared to Hall's +5). i'd take him.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:35 AM

Seguin- he will end up playing more games as Hall keeps getting hit with his head down. Those concussions will eventually slow Hall down, either as he tries to change his game to avoid further injury or simply because his brain will slow down.
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