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#31 Almighty So

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:40 AM

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:24 AM

he also won an art ross and MVP without him ...remember?


That's an extreme exaggeration. You make it sound like Henrik played the entire season without Daniel...LOL. Daniel was only out for 20ish games if I remember right. During this time, Henrik played pretty well, around a PPG I believe. But when he was playing with Daniel...his points per game were even higher. If Daniel was healthy all season, I bet Henrik could have put up 120 PTS and won the Art Ross by even more.

You'd be crazy to suggest that Henrik won the scoring title all by himself...their chemistry was unbelievable and their wizardry together was obvious. Henrik can play without Daniel, but he's even better with Daniel.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:22 AM

The problem with keeping the Sedins together is that they're so one dimensional. When they aren't scoring they don't provide much else. Now that their offensive game is on the decline this problem is only going to be exacerbated. Why people are so averse to splitting them up is beyond me. Both of them are very good players, and while it is undeniable that they are absolute dynamite when they are rolling, the fact is that they aren't always going to be able to do that. Of course they get a pass last year simply because Daniel was injured prior to and for the beginning of the playoffs. But it was unlikely, given a full series, that they would have produced much against a physical LA team. They weren't able to get rolling the year before vs. the Preds, and were absolutely stale vs. the Bruins. Henrik on his own is one of the best playmakers to play the sport of hockey. Daniel is an incredibly talented sniper. Why not split up that skill onto more multitalented lines during a tough series rather than letting them struggle it out together to no avail. If I were to rework last night's lines to accomodate a Sedin split up, I'd love to see a top 6 like:

Roy - Kesler - D. Sedin
Burrows - H. Sedin - Kassian
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:14 AM

I'm a huge advocate for splitting the Sedins.
Have been for a while.
(Seems to generate alot of hate though lol)

However the playoffs are not the time to start testing this out.
Should have done this in the season.
To be fair it was a shortened, injury ravaged season.
Doesn't quite make sense to break up your main source of offense.

Their game would become become more well-rounded if they weren't completely reliant on one-another.
Right now its a bit one-dimensional.

If they were able to split successfully, it gives AV more options.
Gives opponents a tougher time matching up.

Plus, its not like their chemistry would suddenly disappear if you put them together again.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

Nauseating is a little harsh but they just don't have that savage pedigree to play thru psycho playoff hockey it seems anymore , maybe it's the age, or the injuries, like Danny's Duncan Keith concussion, Dustin Brown pretty much made Henrik irrelevant after that hit and turned the series.
Sedins need to be vikings not hackey sack playing Ikea clerks.
They were like Mason Raymond + Andrew Ebbett out there tonight. invisible.
For years now the fan base has said we need to get bigger and get guys in here that are playoff built,
Love to see Vandermeer , Lain and Gaunce get a shot in this series if we lose next game.


Raymond was everything but invisible, players like kesler, burrows, Higgins and even Hansen were "invisible". The only players throwing hits and putting up effort was Weise, kassian and Lappy who arnt even in the top 6 .
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:52 AM

Better idea:
Throw a shock collar on them and condition them to shoot the puck!
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:05 AM

Burrows is the problem.

He's been inconsistent at best with the Sedins this year, and has actually scored more goals-per-game off their line than on. When the Sedins get random small stints with guys like Kassian and Hansen then seem to be bursting out and scoring in bunches. Makes sense to take Burrows off the top line. They were a great 1st line for a couple of years, but it's clear - the Sedins need a fresh change.

No other top line in the NHL has stayed together this long and it's because eventually chemistry runs out and linemates get stale. Everyone needs a fresh start eventually - no line has stayed together for 3 or 4 years.

I'd like to see this to start Game 2:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian (this guy is amped up and ready to play, give him an opportunity)
Burrows - Kesler - Higgins
Hansen - Roy - Raymond
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

If we fail to score 2 or more goals the next game and lose as well, it's time for AV to put all his eggs in the Sedin basket and go all in:

Sedin - Sedin - Kesler
Raymond - Roy - Hansen
Burrows - Lapierre - Higgins
Weise - Ebbett - Kassian
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:09 AM

Maybe we should focus on splitting MG & Barney Rubble. AV would be more effective as a third green man.

Think I'd rather have Rick Astley workin' the bench, than Barney Rubble, about now.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:22 AM

Joe bro you need to relax bro chill out bro
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

I couldn't agree more.

I'm sick of this. Two allstar players can't play hockey without each other. No wonder we are easy to coach against.

Sedins = Stale

The problem with keeping the Sedins together is that they're so one dimensional. When they aren't scoring they don't provide much else. Now that their offensive game is on the decline this problem is only going to be exacerbated. Why people are so averse to splitting them up is beyond me. Both of them are very good players, and while it is undeniable that they are absolute dynamite when they are rolling, the fact is that they aren't always going to be able to do that. Of course they get a pass last year simply because Daniel was injured prior to and for the beginning of the playoffs. But it was unlikely, given a full series, that they would have produced much against a physical LA team. They weren't able to get rolling the year before vs. the Preds, and were absolutely stale vs. the Bruins. Henrik on his own is one of the best playmakers to play the sport of hockey. Daniel is an incredibly talented sniper. Why not split up that skill onto more multitalented lines during a tough series rather than letting them struggle it out together to no avail. If I were to rework last night's lines to accomodate a Sedin split up, I'd love to see a top 6 like:

Roy - Kesler - D. Sedin
Burrows - H. Sedin - Kassian


Exactly, this makes too much sense so we won't do it. It's not like the Sedins are going to bolt back to Sweeden if they have to play on different lines. They have matured into leaders and are top level talents in the league besides being great ambassadors. It's like a thread I created a year ago. We are like a house of cards waiting to fall down when someone blows on it. We struggle to find the right chemisty in the top 6 but we can't move the Sedins, we can't move Burrows, Kesler can't play with anyone. It either works great or we are horrible and we can't adapt because we can't move around any of our key components.

Better idea:
Throw a shock collar on them and condition them to shoot the puck!


This too, If Henrik refuse to shoot the puck someone has to have the balls to sit him on the bench or move him to the third line. Anything, someone give these guys some direction. Anyone ... anyone ... A ... V ... Bueller ???

Edited by Dogbyte, 02 May 2013 - 08:15 AM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:12 AM

Here are my lines:

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Kassian (with a fire under his big ass to go fish pucks from corners and hand it to the twins)
Higgins - Roy - Kesler (I've no f***ing clue why this line was torn apart by AV)
Burrows - Lapierre - Hansen (they worked wonders in the tail end of the regular season and are all playoff performers)
Sestito - Gaunce - Weise (big hard checking forth line that you know will be responsible defensively)

I prefer Alberts over Ballard in the playoffs especially since he's been playing good hockey (I know he didn't have a good game last night but don't put him the doghouse for it)...
Oh and lastly D. Sedin might wanna shoot the puck from time to time when he's left alone in the slot :picard: ... embarrassing.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:27 AM

I actually agree with the OP. This tactic would confuse the other team as their whole defence is based on killing the Sedin cycle and making the Canucks rely on secondary or scramble scoring.

The definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

It's insane to watch the Sedins try to outcycle the opposition when they (the opponent) knows exactly what's coming.

However, since AV will not do this, IMHO,. we are heading directly towards a first round exit and the excuses will be, once again, that the players were not healthy. Actually, they aren't good enough to win and their health has nothing to do with it.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

same stupid idea every year,
just like relying on the sedins to be our primary point getters in a high intensity battle.


But they should be our primary point getters lol.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:42 AM

No point discussing this. AV doesn't have the brass ones to make a big move like this.

Now queue Digital Underground - "All around the world, same song...All, all around the world same song..."
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:01 AM

We need Hansen to spark up some energy with the Sedins. Either Roy centers Kesler/Kesler centers Roy OR have Higgins on Roy's wing.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

I suggested this iin the regular season but I don't believe it now. Not vs the sharks. Gotta use kass on the line
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:01 AM

Splitting them up is not going to happen, but I would like to see them thrown out there individually from time to time.
With very little powerplay time, they could double shift a bit 5 on 5, and give our other lines a different look.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

splitting sedins in playoffs is not a good idea.. we could have done that in regular season to see how they play in different lines.. playoff is not about doing experiment on different lines... its about sticking with your usual lineup and getting results.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:00 PM

The Sedins aren't the problem. Second and third scoring threats are. We should have made another trade at the deadline to get a good winger. We are depending on people to step up and right now theyre not. I think they were counting on Higgins, Raymond, Burrows, Booth, and Kassian, all being able to produce a steady source of secondary scoring. The only one that has been able to do that this year is burrows (and he doesn't count because he's playing with the sedins.) Booths been hurt, Kassian slowed down big time, and Raymond and Higgins have done alright. Centers can't do it alone. Look at Pittsburgh. They have 3 quality centers, but they are surrounded with players like neal, iginla, kunitz, dupuis, etc. If you ask me, the key to us winning the cup is winders stepping up. Not splitting up the sedins.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

AV doesn't have the brass ones to make a big move like this.


As opposed to some moron on the internet who apparently would? Hilarious.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:46 PM

Sedins need to do something different next game. Daniel had a few chances to shoot and waited too long. I think splitting them up is an idea, let's see how they do next game.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

No point discussing this. AV doesn't have the brass ones to make a big move like this.

Now queue Digital Underground - "All around the world, same song...All, all around the world same song..."


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:08 PM

putting a Sedin on the second line is a good place to start, IMO.


We have no quality first liners other then the Sedins. Kesler and roy are both 2nd liners at best.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

Not sure why people freak out when someone suggests splitting up two players on Canucks top line. It happens on hockey teams all the time. Hank was under a PPG player before Daniel was hurt last yr. He became a PPG afterwards - with Lappy on his line. They can play hockey without eachother.

The main problem IMO was the Canucks 1st line. AV's inability to get them away from Vlasic, and that lines inability to generate any scoring chances 5 on 5. So for gm2, every line gets switched up except for the 1 line that didn't generate. Go figure. But SJS doesn't have 2 Vlasics, splitting up the Sedins would throw a huge monkey wrench in McLeallans plans. If Canucks lose tonight and 1st line didn't generate much - I'd split them up for sure. I'd put Daniel with Roy ASAP.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

if we get the same result in gm 2, why not? everyone here knows the definition of insanity, right?
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