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Honestly AV is getting out-coached again!


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#61 dildo_baggins

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:32 AM

The team played OK in the second but as soon as a goal was let in by AV's goalie choice, the team let down and all was lost. You could see it. They all have that look cause they know its over.


are you saying the lose last night was Luongo's Fault??
If it wasn't for Luo in the First (and the canucks wouldnt have anything to build on - Period 2)

and the goals he let in no where near his fault - the PP Goal was just great puck movement and an even better shot
the 2nd goal was a pile up on luo and he had no change...
ok the third goal was a bit weak - but at that point did you really think the canucks had it in them to come back??

by no means am i a Luongo fan boy.. but he was the reason the game stayed close..
lets just hope schneider is back tomorrow, because for some reason the team seems to play better infront of him.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:34 AM

AV's an idiot. So many issues with his decisions:

Ebbett in the lineup, at all.
Daniel Sedin on the point for the PP
Roy and Higgins not playing together
Not saying anything after a San Jose goal, and just chewing gum and looking at the scoreboard
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

ok the third goal was a bit weak - but at that point did you really think the canucks had it in them to come back??

We'll never know; a lot easier to make a strong push when one lucky bounce ties the game. That goal was a backbreaker and Luongo should have stopped it.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:37 AM

Office Case

The owners of the company spend top dollar and recruit some of the best employees.
They then put a manager to manage these employees.

The manager has the employees in different working groups but continually switches working groups around.
Fred works really well with Michael. They are efficient and produce high output.

Same can be said for Lisa and Pam.

However crunch time for work (busy season) comes.

The manager then decides to shuffle all the employees to brand new working groups. Some of them have never worked with each other...

He then demotes Lisa and hires some guy off the streets.

Company Production goes down during the most vital part of the year.

Nah, it's not the manager's fault. The employees have to perform lol.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:38 AM

The fact that AV let the Sedins play any shifts against Couture in a home game is just crazy. I usually like Vigneault, but that was just something that stuck out as awful to me. With the last change at home, he should be matching lines a lot better.


He said before the game that line matching was not a priority. That he figured both teams would just roll their 4 lines.... :picard:

Honestly, other coaches feast on his stupidity in that regard and he makes it way to easy on them even when at home to get the matchups THEY want.

Honestly, it is ridiculous now and the man has learned nothing from previous year's when he threw the Sedins to the Wolves hoping they would overcome the matchups. They are not superhuman and his job is to put players in the best possible position to be successful. It is like he is mailing it in and not even actually doing any coaching.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

mantra of the uneducated. In no way was AV a problem last night, in fact I think his decision to play kassian and Weise following undisciplined penalties was great........both responded with strong games


If you can't understand the importance of the last change on home ice then your the uneducated one.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:41 AM

Its funny how we can blame Luo every time there's a failure, we can blame our scoring when we lose 3-1, we can blame our defence, we can blame the fans, we can blame the refs, we can blame CBC etc etc but as soon as anyone questions AV on here we get comments like 2 President Trophies, a Stanley Cup appearance, winning record as a coach - AV is not the problem etc etc. Fact is (as I mentioned in another thread) he has a playoff record of 37-38. Home ice advantage is huge (as others have pointed out) due to the last change. AV seems to think he can just roll our top lines against SJs. He needs to get the Sedins away from the 1st line of San Jose. His choice of lines is questionable - what the hell is Ebbett even doing in this series? I'd rather have Pinzotto and his size over Ebbett. And juggling the lines in a 1-1 game in the third?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

He said before the game that line matching was not a priority. That he figured both teams would just roll their 4 lines.... :picard:

Honestly, other coaches feast on his stupidity in that regard and he makes it way to easy on them even when at home to get the matchups THEY want.

Honestly, it is ridiculous now and the man has learned nothing from previous year's when he threw the Sedins to the Wolves hoping they would overcome the matchups. They are not superhuman and his job is to put players in the best possible position to be successful. It is like he is mailingit in and not even actually doing any coaching.


In all fairness to AV, he can't even construct OUR lines effectively, never mind match up against an opponent's.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

AV is just a hunch coach. He turns a simple game into an over thunk mess. He ruins and stifles young players that after they arrive in Vancouver full of drive and optimism, are diminished into typical coasters. They are up against very amateur coaches in Vancouver. When will the owner realize the management has messed up here for too long. He owes it to the fans to rebuild his management team on the Canucks.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

oh man, this last page of comments is gold.

Feel like having some beers with u guys.

I still think we will win the series.

It's almost like AV actually knows what lines he needs to play but he's doing what he's doing to troll us.

He put Higgins with Roy and Kesler with 3 min left losing by 2.

If he knew that's what he had to do, why wouldn't he just do it from the beginning?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

Why can't we show up when needed?
The mean nothing game vs the Hawks the other day we play lights out...
Last night we needed to play that way and the boys mailed it in....

Too much focus on hitting at the expense of actually playing smart....
My high hopes crushed, thought we were actually better than 2011, what was I thinking

3rd period collapses seems to be our new MO
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

The problem all along is how AV changes his lines about.

Fine, there have been injuries but surely you leave your optimum 12 in place and just patch in. Washington played the same team for the last 12 games......ok they must have avoided injury but I guarantee AV would have shuffled the team about, injuries or no injuries. He is his own worst enemy.

If he can't settle on lines, why should any opposition team fear the Canucks.

One point about Friday's game. We need to win big if we are to get through this series. We need to hurt their confidence because they must feel we have little more to offer after that display. Give Niemi a nightmare to remember.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:50 AM

AV's an idiot. So many issues with his decisions:

Ebbett in the lineup, at all.
Daniel Sedin on the point for the PP
Roy and Higgins not playing together
Not saying anything after a San Jose goal, and just chewing gum and looking at the scoreboard


Agree with all said above and more.

Schroeder in, Ebbett out.- Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Roy bumped to 2nd - Higgins, Kesler, Roy or Higgins Roy Kesler
No plugs on the fourth. Bring in skill. My vote is for Jensen. Jensen - Lapierre - Kassian
Sedins should never match up against that Couture line. <-- this will kill us
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:56 AM

The problem all along is how AV changes his lines about.

Fine, there have been injuries but surely you leave your optimum 12 in place and just patch in. Washington played the same team for the last 12 games......ok they must have avoided injury but I guarantee AV would have shuffled the team about, injuries or no injuries. He is his own worst enemy.

If he can't settle on lines, why should any opposition team fear the Canucks.

One point about Friday's game. We need to win big if we are to get through this series. We need to hurt their confidence because they must feel we have little more to offer after that display. Give Niemi a nightmare to remember.


Yep, AV destroys any chemistry forwards might develop. What makes the Sedins and Burrows work well? It's the fact that they've played together so much, they know where their linemates are going to go. Usually that takes tme to happen, which means juggling the lines constantly s hurting the team. On the rare ocaision we have instant cemistry,such as between Roy and Higgins, AV splits thm up.

Gotta feel for Kassian, he's probably been put on a line with every single forward this season. How in holy hell is he supposed to succeed when he's got to adapt to 15 different players' playing styles?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

Garrison on the 1 unit PP, Ebbett out Lain in, put a checking line (which AV never uses) on the Coitus line, tell our enforcers that yes they have targets on their backs and the ref's have whistles at the ready.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

are you saying the lose last night was Luongo's Fault??
If it wasn't for Luo in the First (and the canucks wouldnt have anything to build on - Period 2)

and the goals he let in no where near his fault - the PP Goal was just great puck movement and an even better shot
the 2nd goal was a pile up on luo and he had no change...
ok the third goal was a bit weak - but at that point did you really think the canucks had it in them to come back??

by no means am i a Luongo fan boy.. but he was the reason the game stayed close..
lets just hope schneider is back tomorrow, because for some reason the team seems to play better infront of him.


The third would have beaten any goalie. Lu went for the direction of the close range shot (the range is important) and it clipped off Edler's skate, right in front of him and changed direction by at least 30 degrees. No goalie could react to a ricochet so close, that is why Lu looked so sick.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:10 AM

In all fairness to AV, he can't even construct OUR lines effectively, never mind match up against an opponent's.


Fair enough.

As another poster said, he should think about what he is going to do when they are down by two in the last few minutes of a game and just do that right from the opening faceoff. The lines have no consistency and no chemistry.

The Sharks lines looked like they had a ton of chemistry the likes of which we never see in Vancouver outside of the twins and Burrows....and even that chemistry gets destroyed by dumb coaching in the playoffs.

It's like AV would rather lose his way with his guys than win by adapting things that need adapting or giving anyone he doesn't like a bigger opportunity. Changing the lines constantly is a band aid on a broken leg. The problem is his entire system is predictable and easily countered in the playoffs when other teams ramp up their aggressiveness. Watch how often the Sharks pressure the D who then flip the puck right back to them in the neutral zone or who miss passes to the forwards by 15 feet. Consistent lines would help with knowing where guys would be.

AV needs to learn from his mistakes or move on. He has shown this year that he still thinks doing the exact same things will get a different result. If the Canucks lose this series and AV is still coach there is something seriously wrong. Hopefully having to sell a bunch of tickets at half price and seeing another early exit take a serious bite into the potential playoff revenue, the ownership will get rid of Gillis and AV if Gillis won't do it.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:11 AM

Yep, AV destroys any chemistry forwards might develop. What makes the Sedins and Burrows work well? It's the fact that they've played together so much, they know where their linemates are going to go. Usually that takes tme to happen, which means juggling the lines constantly s hurting the team. On the rare ocaision we have instant cemistry,such as between Roy and Higgins, AV splits thm up.

Gotta feel for Kassian, he's probably been put on a line with every single forward this season. How in holy hell is he supposed to succeed when he's got to adapt to 15 different players' playing styles?


Exactly, it's almost as if he is trying to handicap the team. Is he losing the plot? All the laughing at serious questions and then to-day stammering and hesitation as if he was shellshocked.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:12 AM

AV is a sub .500 coach in the playoffs. So really, who the frack cares about President's Trophies and Jack Adams awards. Those are REGULAR SEASON accolades. And this team needs a coach who would happily trade all of that for 16 wins come playoff time.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

If you can't understand the importance of the last change on home ice then your the uneducated one.


completely over rated concept, aside from obvious situations like having your 4th out against the other teams top line.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

The third would have beaten any goalie. Lu went for the direction of the close range shot (the range is important) and it clipped off Edler's skate, right in front of him and changed direction by at least 30 degrees. No goalie could react to a ricochet so close, that is why Lu looked so sick.


not a chance, Schneider (or any strong butterfly goalie) would have had that one go off their pad or toe. Lu was way back in his net and not strong on the puck at all.....he looked tiny in the net on that goal.......similar to the backhand goal scored over his left should some time back
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

AV is a sub .500 coach in the playoffs. So really, who the frack cares about President's Trophies and Jack Adams awards. Those are REGULAR SEASON accolades. And this team needs a coach who would happily trade all of that for 16 wins come playoff time.

Yep, this team plays consistently worse throughout most series.

Fun Fact: The Canucks have NEVER won a playoff series after losing the first game under AV.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

AV's an idiot. So many issues with his decisions:

Ebbett in the lineup, at all.
Daniel Sedin on the point for the PP
Roy and Higgins not playing together
Not saying anything after a San Jose goal, and just chewing gum and looking at the scoreboard

Agreed with everything u said....
But seriously splitting roy baby n higgy... WTF IS HE THINKING?! Dank on the point?! FK AV WAKE UP
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

completely over rated concept, aside from obvious situations like having your 4th out against the other teams top line.


I would rather my coach follow this over rated concept than the ones he does follow.....like his belief that it is impossible to win without a right handed dman playing or that "staying the course" when things don't work will miraculously result in better results.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

Av is garbage 48 games to find your lines and you still can't do crap even though your roster is pretty much identical to last few years. Understand we had some injuries but we had good lines when fully healthy yet this fool decides to mix it up

Fire this clown
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:34 AM

I would rather my coach follow this over rated concept than the ones he does follow.....like his belief that it is impossible to win without a right handed dman playing or that "staying the course" when things don't work will miraculously result in better results.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:38 AM

It's not coaching. It's not Kesler, and the Sedins skating in sand, it's not the fact we're missing Schneider, it's not because Tanev is still out, it's because....

THIS TEAM CANNOT WIN A FACEOFF TO SAVE IT'S OWN LIFE

That is what's going to kill us in the end.

No Malhotra = chasing the puck all goddamn night :rolleyes:
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:43 AM

It's not coaching. It's not Kesler, and the Sedins skating in sand, it's not the fact we're missing Schneider, it's not because Tanev is still out, it's because....

THIS TEAM CANNOT WIN A FACEOFF TO SAVE IT'S OWN LIFE

That is what's going to kill us in the end.

No Malhotra = chasing the puck all goddamn night :rolleyes:


Know why SJ was winning all those draws? Their coaching staff were charting the matchups of our centers vs their centers all night. What was our coach doing?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:45 AM

Ok for the AV supporters. I'm actually curious.

Do you agree with AV's decision to split up Roy and Higgins? Yes or No
Do you agree with having Schroeder over Ebett? Yes or No
Do you agree with having Garrison on 2nd unit PP? Yes or No

I'm not looking for explanations. I just want to see where your mentality is at with respects to our team cohesion and optimal line up.

I think you guys are screwed either way because if you say no to these things, then you are admitting AV has bungled the line up.
If you guys agree yes, you will soon see AV go back to these lines because of the lack of production.

The only way you guys win is if you say yes you like these moves and AV keeps these lines in tact for the rest of the playoffs and manages to win. (which isn't happening)
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:12 AM

Unprepared. Incohesive. Unmotivated.

It's not even about getting out-coached by the other team. Maybe the coach should let the players know the playoffs have started? Maybe get on Twitter or something? Because it doesn't look like they know.
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