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#121 D-Money

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

Maybe when the twins get wide open chances, all alone, just them and the goalie...they should try shooting it?

...ahhh, what do I know...
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

Sometimes it is a mental thing.

When you enter the game thinking you cannot score more than 1 goal, chances are you won't and you losses 1-3.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

That's what happens when you have a defenisve style coach, who is afraid of taking chances, which shouldn't be the case when you have 2 of the best goalies behind you, just bad coaching.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure AV's pre-game speech doesn't include telling the players not to score, and specifically for Daniel not to shoot when he gets a chance. Goof.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:43 PM

Exactly I miss the Crawford days when it was more about offence, don't get me wrong Cloutier was a decent goalie he wasn't the greatest because he wasn't the biggest, but he was a quick goalie. If Crawford had a goalie like Luongo when he was here coaching or even Schneider, I beat you one of those years they could of won the cup. It's the fact that the last 3-4 years this team has more skill then when Crawford was coaching, better goalies about the same in D, but better offence, but the offence now is limited to what they are allowed to do, because AV is all about defence first. Also because our coach isn't an offensive coach, he doesn't have much input for the players for new strategies to break through oppostions D, and that is what kills this team.


It's the same guy coaching as when we had back to back scoring champions, and when we led the league in goals for two years ago. Quit trying to make up crap to validate your point.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:45 PM

Our offence always evaporates because teams now know how to shut down the sedins, no matter how good they are, if they don't get support from other lines, i hate to say it but the canucks arent going anywhere. These are my dream lines:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows/Kassian
Higgins-Kesler-Roy
Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen
Burrows/Kassian-Lappierre-Weise/Pinnizoto/Sestito

and maybe put gaunce in there. I would love to have gaunce in the canucks line up because his team just got knocked out of the playoffs so he is already in deep playoff mode and is very hungry for a postseason win. I feel like if AV gave him a shot he would really surprise a lot of people. He is very similar to Kesler. He is a great 2 way forward. Defensively, he probably wont be making too many mistakes, and he has been known to play better as games become more important. For example; In game 6, his team needed the win to bring it to 7 games. In that game 6, he scored twice and I believe he added an assist or 2.

GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE!!!
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

Ehrhoff and Garrison are completely different players. Now that both Ehrhoff and Salo are gone, we have no defenseman who can make a good first pass.

Also Edler seems to fall apart without having a decent mentor as his partner, ie. Ohlund, Salo, Ehrhoff.


I was thinking the same thing watching the game Wednesday. It seemed like the first pass was never a good one. There were many times where they puck barley made it over center ice because of a bad pass and then we would lose possession.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:51 PM

lol even if they call it as is and we get powerplay.. all we do is pass pass pass pass pass... our powerplay have been ineffective all year so even if we get it in the playoff we won't do anything with it.


Yeah, but even in the SCF two years ago, we had the top offence in the regular season and could NOT score in the playoffs. Sedins are built for the regular season. It's not their fault, but it IS a fact.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:08 PM

No offence since the finals. Coincidentally, that was when Ehrhoff got injured.

No Salo, or Samuelsson. PP is so much worse than before. We lost all our good shooters. And a good chunk of our goals came from the PP.

Now no one plays with urgency. The games are certainly not as fun to watch anymore. Haven't been for 2 years now :(
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure AV's pre-game speech doesn't include telling the players not to score, and specifically for Daniel not to shoot when he gets a chance. Goof.


Yes your right, because AV is a freaking TOOL who doesn't have a speech before the game, because he's a useless coach who doesn't motivate his players before games. Even Cory Schneider said this last year AV doesn't say much before the game, he comes in and says alright guys let's go out there and have a good game and play are style, wow what motivation so impressed.

Don't beleive me watch it for yourself, your coach doesn't motivate anyone because he's a joke, just like you.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

It's the same guy coaching as when we had back to back scoring champions, and when we led the league in goals for two years ago. Quit trying to make up crap to validate your point.


Come back and talk to me after you have followed this franchise for more than 20 years, and sick and tired of seeing this franchise not win the cup.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:36 PM

I don't agree with AV's philosophy of adapting to the opposition. We are the favorites, they should adapt their game to ours.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that could bite us in the butt. The Playoffs represent the moment of truth - we need to earn our stripes.

Not to mention that SJS happened to beat us in 100% of the games this season.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:57 PM

In 8 of the first 9 playoff games, the losing team has scored 1 goal or less.
The Habs scored 2 in losing to Ottawa. The exception was the Wings/Ducks last night.
Much ado about nothing.
It's the playoffs.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

Its a game of inches and timing (momentum), that game could have gone either way. Scoring goals would help allot as well. One off the top of the net, one of the cross bar, if either had gone in it would have been a different game.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:46 PM

For starters two usless players in the line up come playoffs ie Ebbet and then Raymond which does not help the eternally soft Sedin line that constantly gets pushed around. Then add in the fact your coach is a defensive specialist and begginer when it comes to offence and that's what you get! A team that can't score and has to rely on their opponet to put the puck in the net for them.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

Two years and this issue has not been fixed... No wonder they can't even sell playoff tickets this year and I fear this is not the worst we've seen...
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

For starters two usless players in the line up come playoffs ie Ebbet and then Raymond which does not help the eternally soft Sedin line that constantly gets pushed around. Then add in the fact your coach is a defensive specialist and begginer when it comes to offence and that's what you get! A team that can't score and has to rely on their opponet to put the puck in the net for them.


Lol this. If Raymond is invisible again and we lose, we should make some major changes.

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Hansen
Higgins-Roy-Kassian
Gaunce/Lain-Lapierre-Weise

For all we know Gaunce could light it up. He just seems like on of those players that thrives off this type of hockey.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

It doesn't help either when you have over twelve million dollars in Booth, Ballard and Schneider or Luongo. Booth doesn't do anything, Ballard sits in the press box and either one of the goalies isn't playing.

Now imagine if the Canucks had that $ for July 1.

Furthermore, this team has simply struggled to score goals against the playoff caliber teams this season. I quickly looked at the last 12 games and they only managed 27 goals, or 2.25 a game, which is significantly less than what they have averaged throughout the season. Evidently we've just beat up the basement dwellers. Perhaps this trend is also consistent with other playoff teams, I can't say since I haven't looked at them.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

We didn't have one guy in the regular season on pace for 25 goals.

Daniel and Kesler need to be our scorers. Without them shooting the puck more and picking their targets, we have a team of passers.

We have plenty of guys who will score gritty goals, like Higgins, Kassian, Burrows and Hansen, but no true sniper or game-changer right now, and that's the problem. This team has traded skill for grit, and by losing true shooters like Hodgson, Ehrhoff and Samuelsson, only to be replaced by Garrison, Roy and Booth, we trade shooting ability for toughness and playmaking.

2013 SC winner LA KINGS had (1) that's ONE player with 25 goals (Kopitar had 25 OVER 82 GAMES!!!) So again what does the lack of a 25 goal scorer over the course of a 48 game schedule prove? Here's the dilemma that in the salary cap era parity-ridden NHL...if you want 50 goal scorers you don't get scoring depth, if you want high priced offensive players then you give up goaltending. If you want 2 way players then you give up big offense...we don't get it all, and neither does anyone else (we can't sign Weber for example and then expect to have any depth beyond our 2nd line or 2nd pairing). We do the best we can. Based on the playing sample provided, Gillis filled the Ehrhoff hole with the best available (Garrison), he got back something (Kassian) for a snot-nosed little punk kid who wasn't ever going to crack our top 6 and therefore didn't want to be here. He attempted to move Luongo but wasn't going to just give him away so he stood his ground and stood behind the value of his player (very admirable). So I am not sure what more we can ask...he's done all he can...let the chips fall where they may.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

Is it a coincidence that our offense evaporates most out of all the teams that have consistently made the playoffs in the last few years? I refuse to believe it. 13 goals in the last 11 playoff games. I don't care if you put Patrick Roy in net during his prime.. you simply are not going to win playoff games at almost a goal a game pace. So the onus should be on our top scorers and coaching staff to do more. A lot more.

What adjustments do you guys think have to be made to score more goals? I think first and foremost, to score goals in the playoffs you have to have determination and grit. Crash the net, get in the goalies kitchen. Stand there and take the hacks and wacks. Make them uncomfortable. Yet all i saw yesterday were say a prayer shots from Raymond and unconfident, double clutching Sedin twins.

Skill can only take you so far when it comes to scoring goals in the playoffs. You have to WANT it. Don't look for the perfect plays, just fire at the net. Shoot at Niemis pads and get rebounds that way. Daniel needs to not think to much and just shoot.. he's looking like Henrik out there.

I also suggest stacking the lines like some teams do in the playoffs. It is known to have success. Just look at Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan line a couple years ago. Very difficult to contain. We can have two stacked lines with the players we have. Putting weaker players with better ones will not make the weaker players significantly better (unless your Crosby like talent wise).

What are some of your guys suggestions? Is this more of a coaching thing or something players have to fix from within? Clearly offense is what is wrong here. If we score more than a goal a game I believe we have the defense and goaltending to go deep this year. Go Canucks!

The offence disappears because the Sedins do not have great shots that can score from the outside and they don't have the will or physicality to operate effectively close to the net. Look who has scored for us - Bieksa and Kesler - nuff said. In the playoffs the refs bury the whistles on hooking, holding, obstruction, and restrain and the Sedins and most of the Canucks aren't built to fight through it. Gaunce is, and Ebbett isn't - Gaunce should be playing and Ebbett sitting. AV doesn't even have the confidence in Ebbett to play him more than a couple of shifts - may as well have the kid get some experience - Ebbett does not help us anyway, doesn't win fceoffs, can't control guys in front of the net, is easily manhandled, and Gaunce is a big, strong lad - put him in.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:22 AM

It's the same guy coaching as when we had back to back scoring champions, and when we led the league in goals for two years ago. Quit trying to make up crap to validate your point.


Anyone who says the League bears any resemblance to the Stanley Cup should have a re-think. Not only that but seldom are the players who shine in the Regular season the type of player who comes into his own in the playoffs.

If the league meant anything at all, the Canucks would have run all over LA in a best of 7.

The playoffs are far more physical, far more intense, there is far more pressure and thats where the regular season teams get found out. They are games for players with the "game changing mentality"

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

That's what happens when you have a defenisve style coach, who is afraid of taking chances, which shouldn't be the case when you have 2 of the best goalies behind you, just bad coaching.


I couldn't agree more if I tried! Except to me he isn't even a defensive style coach.....he's a NO style coach!
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:21 AM

It's either the coach defensive minded style or the team doesn't have the personal still to score in the playoffs
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

When Ebbet got thrown into the Shark Bench in Game 1 AV should have left him there!!!

We need grit players that can not only take a hit but deliver them as well. replace our light brigade with some muscle, maybe.

Unfortunately Ebbet is a center, so AV will slot him in.

Maybe if we did a better job of developing our prospects , the cuppboard might not be so barren!!

Why is Ballard in the dog house again? I might play him as center, he was almost our best player last year in playoffs.

At a minimum he shows some push back , if not willing to drop em.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

When Ebbet got thrown into the Shark Bench in Game 1 AV should have left him there!!!

We need grit players that can not only take a hit but deliver them as well. replace our light brigade with some muscle, maybe.

Unfortunately Ebbet is a center, so AV will slot him in.

Maybe if we did a better job of developing our prospects , the cuppboard might not be so barren!!

Why is Ballard in the dog house again? I might play him as center, he was almost our best player last year in playoffs.

At a minimum he shows some push back , if not willing to drop em.

Ballard is in the doghouse because he's a scoring defenseman who can't score.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

Well, our offense relies almost exclusively on the Sedins, Kesler, and Burrows ... And, outside of Kesler last game and the Sedins in game 4 last year, they've done nothing offensively the last 2 seasons in the playoffs.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:02 PM

if every1 could have the fire and swagger under them like kesler in game 2 we'd be looking good but they arnt...
sedins prooving to not be a threat towards sharks team at all tooo many fricken penalties and refs didnt help ether they called some calls that shouldnt of even been a penaltie he called burrows for goalie interferance but happends to luongo TWICE and no call good job ref.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

Burns>Sedins

Couture> Sedins

Thornton> Sedins
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:25 AM

When the going gets tough the Sedins get ghost this happens every year. I'm sick of the excuses rip the C of henrik and give it kesler.
Too small too soft to compete in the post season.
Sedins , Raymond , Ebbett , burrows , Hansen , Roy .
7 of your 9 top forwards are small.
A joke in playoff savagery.
At this point it would appear that mike gillis is merely taking the piss.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:51 AM

Ballard is in the doghouse because he's a scoring defenseman who can't score.

He was a 20-30 point defenseman who blocked shots, hit, moved the puck, and played reliable top 4 minutes coming out of Florida. He was never brought here to be a scorer.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:00 AM

Our team needs snipers. Should have added a Semin or that kinda player.
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