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#1 Anima

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:08 PM

Lets face it, our window is closing if not completely shut. We are looking to either rebuild (either be like the sad oilers or the amazing hawks) or reload (either be like the sad flames or the awesome canadiens)

What was our turning point of our "window"?

The kesler/hamhuis injury + luongo let down? The cody/kassian trade? The departure of ehrhoff?
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#2 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

Lol the window is still very much open.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

I'd say wait until after the playoffs...You have already said the window is shut..so you tell us
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:10 PM

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I think it was losing game 7 of the Finals. I think the players fully realized what a long road it was to get there, and what a long road it would be to get back there. So many things had to go right for us to get all the way to the Stanley Cup final. To come that close and not win...I think it took the wind out of our sails. And to be honest, I don't think the players believe in their ability to get back there again.

They probably saw that as an opportunity lost. And going forward, it's just about playing the game. I don't think they believe they can get back there.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:16 PM

Our window isn't closed. We still have another year or so if we retool correctly. If you ask when did everything around this team change, it would be after that January game in Boston last year. Things slowly fell apart after that and even with winning the presidents trophy, everything changed
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:17 PM

the psychological effect of losing it the way we did (on home ice to boot) when the statisticcal odds of winning were stacked so heavily in our favour after the first two games is clearly insurmountable
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:18 PM

When Gillis let Ehrhoff and Torres walk..

Yup, still gonna be riding that. That Ebbett excuse is even more stupid.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:19 PM

Losing in 2011

the team (and in turn, the fans) just have not seemed as interested ever since that happened
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

There never really has been a 'window' to me. The NHL playoffs are where small sample sizes and random events determine the champions. This group had their chance to win it all and fell one game short. Factor in age, SSS, random events and parity across the league and the likelyhood of this group making it back to the SC Finals is low. Regardless of this year's outcome, roster changes need to happen.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:24 PM

There never really has been a 'window' to me. The NHL playoffs are where small sample sizes and random events determine the champions. This group had their chance to win it all and fell one game short. Factor in age, SSS, random events and parity across the league and the likelyhood of this group making it back to the SC Finals is low. Regardless of this year's outcome, roster changes need to happen.



This

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and Roy do not replace the physicality we had with Torres, Sammuellson, and Malhotra for the majority of the dominance of the 2011 season.

I think the core is tired of a Chicago wolves bottom 6 and theres no emotion when a bad call has a pp goal put them back
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

1+1=window
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:35 PM

Losing the cup finals
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:38 PM

not trading Schneider for a good playoff performer
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:39 PM

No replacement for Ehrhoff.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:46 PM

ehrhoff was the force that drove this team....
Kesler was a 40 goal scorer
Sedins were Elite...now there just good
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:55 PM

We need a guy like Prust or Torres.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:02 PM

When the transition game left with Erhoff.

Edit: Not to say I think the window is closed because I don't, the offense just isn't what it used to be because our transition game sucks.

Edited by Henrik Kesler, 02 May 2013 - 06:03 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:29 PM

It was when Malholtra took a puck in the eye. The team may had gone to the final but Kesler broke himself trying to be himself and Manny at the same time.

When that puck took him out couldn't you feel the shift that day? I swear the univese felt like it moved.

Edited by TimberWolf, 02 May 2013 - 06:29 PM.

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I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:37 PM

If you make the playoffs the window is open

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:49 PM

I think it was losing game 7 of the Finals. I think the players fully realized what a long road it was to get there, and what a long road it would be to get back there. So many things had to go right for us to get all the way to the Stanley Cup final. To come that close and not win...I think it took the wind out of our sails. And to be honest, I don't think the players believe in their ability to get back there again.

They probably saw that as an opportunity lost. And going forward, it's just about playing the game. I don't think they believe they can get back there.

This is exactly what i've been thinking and saying. I hope to heck i'm wrong but i think we'll have to wait for the next incarnation of this team. Why do i say that, because i simply look at the time spans between Cup appearances. Team formed 1970 -12 years - 1982 finals - 12 years - 1994 finals - 16 years 2010 finals - ???? years finals.
I know this is in no way scientific but it does seem to be a trend? It seems like the entire roster and coaching staff has to change before another long run is mad?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:13 PM

Game 7 loss to Boston
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:18 PM

This is exactly what i've been thinking and saying. I hope to heck i'm wrong but i think we'll have to wait for the next incarnation of this team. Why do i say that, because i simply look at the time spans between Cup appearances. Team formed 1970 -12 years - 1982 finals - 12 years - 1994 finals - 16 years 2010 finals - ???? years finals.
I know this is in no way scientific but it does seem to be a trend? It seems like the entire roster and coaching staff has to change before another long run is mad?


Definitely seems like a trend, WCE era, Sedin era. We're going to have to wait for the next era to make another serious run imo.

Gillis fracked up....
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

This is exactly what i've been thinking and saying. I hope to heck i'm wrong but i think we'll have to wait for the next incarnation of this team. Why do i say that, because i simply look at the time spans between Cup appearances. Team formed 1970 -12 years - 1982 finals - 12 years - 1994 finals - 16 years 2010 finals - ???? years finals.
I know this is in no way scientific but it does seem to be a trend? It seems like the entire roster and coaching staff has to change before another long run is mad?


Good drafting, picking up free prospects from college, can change those odds. You have to remember Vancouver's drafting before 1988 was just abysmal. I'd start by getting rid of Ron Delorme however....
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:23 PM

I think it was losing game 7 of the Finals. I think the players fully realized what a long road it was to get there, and what a long road it would be to get back there. So many things had to go right for us to get all the way to the Stanley Cup final. To come that close and not win...I think it took the wind out of our sails. And to be honest, I don't think the players believe in their ability to get back there again.

They probably saw that as an opportunity lost. And going forward, it's just about playing the game. I don't think they believe they can get back there.


Agree, i'm starting to think the only way the sedins or kes can get back to the cup final is to tag along as a mercenary 2nd liner on a stacked team like Richards/Carter did with LA......hopefully we can sign a quality first liner with the cap space we're about to clear off with our amnesty buyouts. I just don't see the same confidence and belief in themselves as they did in 2011
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

The window for this organization will remain open for many years as we continue to spend to the cap. The window for an AV-coached, Luongo-tended, Sedin-led team, may be closing if we go out early this year.

If the window does close for those guys, I think for AV it's all about getting the team Gillis provides him deep into the playoffs. Sure the Hodson situation and perhaps the mishandling of younger players is a factor, but not if he wins in the playoffs, so you can point to the LA series last year and if we have another early exit...we'll see.

For Luongo and the Sedins, they're just getting older, and as leaders, they've had several kicks at the can now. Eventually in a results-driven business, changes will be made, and Luongo has been through the ringer in a big way here. He is emotionally spent and he didn't try to hide it at the trade deadline.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

Overconfidently playin Los Angeles last year was the start but trading Cody was a honorable mention
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:09 PM

Losing Ehrhoff was probably the biggest loss for the team, and barely getting anything in return didn't help.

Ehrhoff's speed and unpredictability was one of the driving forces behind our PP. He does get a lot of flak for his defensive lapses but the offence he brought was something else. Ehrhoff's speed allowed him to do something other than making a drop pass when entering the zone. He could control the play and draw in defenders, freeing up the Sedins to work their magic.

Nowadays, everyone clogs up at the blue line and makes a predictable drop pass that is often intercepted, which means we have to reenter the zone all over again.

Of course, having hindsight is beneficial. I, personally, was part of the "let Ehrhoff go and keep Bieksa" camp. I didn't realize the plusses Ehrhoff brought to the team until it was too late....


Also, another change I've noticed is MG's policy on contracts. After the media began to rip him for Luongo's contract and the Ballard trade MG grew scared to make big moves.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:47 PM

the turning point was signing Hamhius.
and drafting Schneider...
signing Tanev will be another.
the window is a dead horse metaphor.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

Keeping a stale coach.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:14 PM

Everyone is retiring next year? Hmm. Good to know.
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