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#31 bolt

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:41 AM

If gillis swallowed his ego and traded for Torres and a face off specialist there wouldn't be a need. Philadelphia and Edmonton have been disastrous rebuilds the last thing we need.



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:12 AM

tg is a hack go frack your self tg

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:12 AM

Not that I disagree but it's an interesting take considering Hannan, Marlowe, Boyle and Thhornton are grey beards yet they're still beating us
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CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:13 AM

we will win next game and maybe well get some puck luck chill the frack out

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:47 AM

The expected early exit is just what is needed, another wake up call. They should have started to rebuild after the cup final against Boston. Anyway the theme of the Johnny Canuck videos is one of striving through never ending failure, so another chapter and on and on. Gillis and AV the management that blew it !

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

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Can we start with Tony Gallagher?

Good a place as any to start!

But thinking practically, if there was ever a year to rebuild it's a year with a strong draft class. Not that I would blow it up, and nor do I think it's really plausible to do so, but consider if we traded the pieces that have value but are perceived as weak points to get top draft picks and prospects back. The Sedins, Edler, Luongo - all moved. We get great picks as a result:

With a package involving Luongo, we get Florida's 1st and draft MacKinnon
With a package involving Sedins, we get Nashville's 1st, Forsberg and Mattias Ekholm, then draft Nichuskin
With a package involving Edler, we get Jeff Skinner from Carolina

I figured if I was going to go crazy might as well do it full force. Again, completely improbable.

Skinner Kesler Kassian
Higgins Roy Forsberg
Jensen Gaunce/Schroeder Hansen
Blomstrand Lapierre Pinizzotto
Archibald

Hamhuis Bieksa
Garrison Corrado
Price Tanev
Alberts

Schneider
Lack

Obviously, again, way out there - and I haven't even plugged in MacKinnon or Nichuskin. We can get some other UFAs instead of relying on youth, but there's still some interesting lineup options there.

Now, back to real life and forget that I ever read a Gallagher article.

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If this team lets go of Sang he will burn this team next year. 

 


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

He is.. Right..

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

He is bang-on.. can't argue with anything there.

For a rebuild, it has to be complete and total, no half-assing it.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

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Can we start with Tony Gallagher?


Please. I think he's probably the worst hockey insider in the history of this universes... even in parallel universes. He's just awful to listen to
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

Tony would know about the light fading slowly away wouldn't he. And after the light fades, reanimation begins and the need to feast on human flesh is unbearable.

All the same, the core isn't going to get it done. The Sedins have hit their peak and are now on the downslope. They have never been very good in the playoffs, and this year is no different.

Kesler should get the C, and trades must be made.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:40 AM

Not that I disagree but it's an interesting take considering Hannan, Marlowe, Boyle and Thhornton are grey beards yet they're still beating us

All four are Canadian....where's our veteran Canadian leadership, that is desperate to win in their twilight years?

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:56 AM

I suppose he would have been suggesting that Detroit should have gotten rid of Lidstrom about a decade ago...

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:04 PM

Funny, less than two weeks ago I watched a Blackhawks game and saw a totally different team..


You mean a coasting Chicago?

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:08 PM

I listen to Tony Gallagher on the Team1040 occasionally can can't get over the fact that he has a job.

He's an idiot, and his voice is akin to nails scraping a blackboard.


Tony Gallagher has a face and voice that is tailor made for print media. And that's the old-fashioned print media I'm talking about, not the electronic form.

I am not a Gallagher fan by any stretch of the imagination, and though the conclusions that he draws are based on highly subjective observations, if I take my hate-on for Gallagher and put it aside for a short time, I would have to agree with what he says. Even the point about needing a miracle to come back and win the series -- the Canucks played as well as I've seen them play last night and couldn't close the deal.

It's a little too early to perform a triage on the team and make decisions based on these diagnostics at this stage, but the Sedins look old and tired...they've lost any quickness they had, and regardless of what they say, they've shown that they aren't guys who can impose their will over the opposition. The only guy that has elevated his game was Kesler, and that's probably because he's had the benefit of resting/rehabbing most of the season. Kes has shown that he's fragile throughout his whole career. Same for Bieksa and Edler. Burr has had his share of injuries and success, but really, he's a career second/third liner who has benefitted offensively playing with good players (twins/Kesler) -- he's not first line winger on most teams.

For myself, I accepted that the team as it is now, would not contend for the Cup. We had the build up to 2011...2009/2010/2011 were our opportunity years with the core and that's why losing in 2011 to the Bruins was so disappointing. We probably could have had a shot in 2012 if MG addressed glaring holes (i.e., inability to score in tight checking games), but that ship sailed long ago.

We're trapped with contract extensions to Burrows and Edler ($9.5MM) for years to come, with the Sedins ($12.2MM), and the obvious contracts that Booth and Ballard carry with them ($8.5MM). So tinkering about probably is the only option, which means we should expect a whole lot of mediocrity in 2013-2014.

Sorry if I sound negative, but IMO, the imminent future doesn't look too good.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

Tony Gallagher looks like a dying gargoyle and he's quickly rising on my short list of people that I want to punch out.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

Go caps, rangers fire tort we fire av then hire tort and have a new voice behind the bench and a new look system, the players are somewhat the problem but when your coaching style gets old and everyone in the west has figured you out its gonna end up like this all the time... Losses!! We need to throw out a new look and yes get rid of dead weight too .... A loss this year isnt a bad thing, we will get a much needed shakeup



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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

How they put him on TV amazes me... Shaky voice and eyes look like pee holes in the snow. Retire Tony

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:35 PM

Tony Gallagher has a face and voice that is tailor made for print media. And that's the old-fashioned print media I'm talking about, not the electronic form.

I am not a Gallagher fan by any stretch of the imagination, and though the conclusions that he draws are based on highly subjective observations, if I take my hate-on for Gallagher and put it aside for a short time, I would have to agree with what he says. Even the point about needing a miracle to come back and win the series -- the Canucks played as well as I've seen them play last night and couldn't close the deal.

It's a little too early to perform a triage on the team and make decisions based on these diagnostics at this stage, but the Sedins look old and tired...they've lost any quickness they had, and regardless of what they say, they've shown that they aren't guys who can impose their will over the opposition. The only guy that has elevated his game was Kesler, and that's probably because he's had the benefit of resting/rehabbing most of the season. Kes has shown that he's fragile throughout his whole career. Same for Bieksa and Edler. Burr has had his share of injuries and success, but really, he's a career second/third liner who has benefitted offensively playing with good players (twins/Kesler) -- he's not first line winger on most teams.

For myself, I accepted that the team as it is now, would not contend for the Cup. We had the build up to 2011...2009/2010/2011 were our opportunity years with the core and that's why losing in 2011 to the Bruins was so disappointing. We probably could have had a shot in 2012 if MG addressed glaring holes (i.e., inability to score in tight checking games), but that ship sailed long ago.

We're trapped with contract extensions to Burrows and Edler ($9.5MM) for years to come, with the Sedins ($12.2MM), and the obvious contracts that Booth and Ballard carry with them ($8.5MM). So tinkering about probably is the only option, which means we should expect a whole lot of mediocrity in 2013-2014.

Sorry if I sound negative, but IMO, the imminent future doesn't look too good.


Pretty fair assessment. Like you I love to hate Gallagher but just like the broken clock that's correct twice a day so to does Gallagher make sense occasionally. I can't help but think that the team looks stale and jaded. They keep going back to the well but the concept that brought them so far and has made them a top team is going dry.

The FA's market is not good, most teams seem to re -sign their valuable players long before they come FA's, we're over loaded with the Salary Cap, (zero Cap room for next season and only 17 players signed ) and our prospects are mostly a couple of years away from playing NHL hockey. MG has drained the pot and the players look drained. AV and his staff looks tired and despite being a good coach has run out of ways to re arrange the deck chairs on a fast sinking ship. You have to wonder if rotating players is a must for a team to progress.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

Honestly if its not done this year, the Sedins wont win us the cup being first liners anymore. Getting too old.
When their contracts up, I'd be fine with them retiring.
Blow the team up, from GM to 4th line.
Untouchables are Corrado, Tanev.

McDavid 2015!

if you are going to put it that way then untouchables are:
corrado,tanev,kassian,schroeder,jensen,gaunce,lack

canucks are slowly building a nice little stable of guys who are looking like they are going to be players.
despite people's short sighted and negative views, GMMG has actually done a half decent job of building towards our future while still maintaining a team that can win(when they show up to play).

this team needs an adjustment of roles, and a transition, not a complete rebuild.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

Tony Gallagher has a face and voice that is tailor made for print media. And that's the old-fashioned print media I'm talking about, not the electronic form.

I am not a Gallagher fan by any stretch of the imagination, and though the conclusions that he draws are based on highly subjective observations, if I take my hate-on for Gallagher and put it aside for a short time, I would have to agree with what he says. Even the point about needing a miracle to come back and win the series -- the Canucks played as well as I've seen them play last night and couldn't close the deal.

It's a little too early to perform a triage on the team and make decisions based on these diagnostics at this stage, but the Sedins look old and tired...they've lost any quickness they had, and regardless of what they say, they've shown that they aren't guys who can impose their will over the opposition. The only guy that has elevated his game was Kesler, and that's probably because he's had the benefit of resting/rehabbing most of the season. Kes has shown that he's fragile throughout his whole career. Same for Bieksa and Edler. Burr has had his share of injuries and success, but really, he's a career second/third liner who has benefitted offensively playing with good players (twins/Kesler) -- he's not first line winger on most teams.

For myself, I accepted that the team as it is now, would not contend for the Cup. We had the build up to 2011...2009/2010/2011 were our opportunity years with the core and that's why losing in 2011 to the Bruins was so disappointing. We probably could have had a shot in 2012 if MG addressed glaring holes (i.e., inability to score in tight checking games), but that ship sailed long ago.

We're trapped with contract extensions to Burrows and Edler ($9.5MM) for years to come, with the Sedins ($12.2MM), and the obvious contracts that Booth and Ballard carry with them ($8.5MM). So tinkering about probably is the only option, which means we should expect a whole lot of mediocrity in 2013-2014.

Sorry if I sound negative, but IMO, the imminent future doesn't look too good.


First off the truth is often misconstrued as negative. Some times facts feel negative, people need to get that straight.

I think total rebuild isn't necessary. Redefining the roll of the Sedins is upon Gillis and Co. The Sedin formula under AV has had it's success but it's time to change things up. Having the Sedins on a second line wouldn't be shabby but I think their first line days are done. They're just too slow and some what predictable.
Bringing Roy in didn't address the size issue up front. Raymond, Ebbett, Hansen, Schroeder, (and the size of the worn down Sedins) and this team is still noticeably small. I'm giving Burrows and Higgins a pass, those guys go every where no matter what but even with those 2 added where's the size?

Note: other teams have those types of players but with size.
Also note: Gillis drafted larger during last years draft. Brendon Gaunce looks to be the real deal but Vancouver needs more of those guys coming up.

The defense seems to have too many of the same type players. Lots of skill but not enough nasty . Bieksa can't do it all and Edler seems to be oblivious to his own potential, he's seemingly hit a wall.

I think that's the truth, not negative.




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