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#1 Wetcoaster

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:05 PM

James Porter, an Alabama attorney who specializes in defending firearm manufacturing companies has been elected President of the NRA

He has a penchant for statements that leave you shaking your head. His people are in a "culture war".

“(You) here in this room are the fighters for freedom. We are the protectors,”

In the gospel according to James Porter - President Barack Obama is a “fake president,” Attorney General Eric Holder is “rabidly un-American” and the U.S. Civil War is the “War of Northern Aggression.”

Here he is in a 2012 speech to the New York Rifle & Pistol Association. He is advocating issuing civilians "standard military firearms" to fight tyranny. YIKES.

The NRA was started, 1871, right here in New York state. It was started by some Yankee generals who didn’t like the way my southern boys had the ability to shoot in what we call the “War of Northern Aggression.” Now, y’all might call it the Civil War, but we call it the War of Northern Aggression down south.


But that was the very reason that they started the National Rifle Association, was to teach and train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm. And I am one who still feels very strongly that that is one of our most greatest charges that we can have today, is to train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm, so that when they have to fight for their country they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they have the wherewithal and the weapons to do it.


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HOUSTON — The incoming leader of the National Rifle Association has a long history with the powerful gun rights lobbying group and a penchant for bold statements that are sure to enflame an already explosive national debate over gun control spurred by last December’s Connecticut school massacre.


James Porter, an Alabama attorney and first vice-president of the NRA, assumes the presidency on Monday after the group’s national convention wraps up in Houston. He didn’t wait until then to ignite a new furor over gun control, telling the NRA grass-roots organizers on Friday they are the front line of a “culture war” that goes beyond gun rights.


“(You) here in this room are the fighters for freedom. We are the protectors,” Porter said.


Porter, 64, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1961, is part of the small, Birmingham, Alabama, law firm of Porter, Porter & Hassinger. The firm’s website notes its expertise in defending gun manufacturers in lawsuits.


Porter takes over the organization as the NRA finds itself in a national fight over gun control in Washington, D.C., and state capitols around the U.S. The NRA had a major victory regarding gun control with the defeat in the U.S. Senate of a bill that would have expanded background checks for gun sales. But it lost ground in some places as several states passed laws expanding background checks and banning large ammunition magazines after December’s mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school that killed 20 children and six educators.


Glen Caroline, director of the NRA’s grass-roots division, noted the coming fight over gun control in the 2014 elections. “Our senators are on record. They cannot hide from those votes,” Caroline said.


As shown by his “culture war” comment Friday and others in his past, Porter’s style is likely to be one that fans the flames of an emotionally combustible debate.


Porter has called President Barack Obama a “fake president,” Attorney General Eric Holder “rabidly un-American” and the U.S. Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.” On Friday, he repeated his call for training every U.S. citizen in the use of standard military firearms, to allow them to defend themselves against tyranny.


Gun control advocates say Porter makes outgoing NRA President David Keene look like a moderate on gun issues, even though Keene had said the NRA would try to punish lawmakers who voted in favour of expanded background checks and other gun control measures.


Keene had worked to offer a softer, if equally staunch voice for the gun lobby’s ideas when compared with Wayne LaPierre, the fiery executive vice-president who remains the NRA’s most prominent voice on the public stage.


Porter as president, “pulls (the NRA) more into the extremist camp,” said Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, which supports tighter gun control measures. “With Jim Porter, they’ve gone full crazy.”


But Porter was greeted with rousing applause at the grass-roots organizing meeting, and several in attendance called out, “Hey Big Jim!,” as he walked through the crowd.


NRA officials did not respond to a request for comment about Porter taking over the organization. In an interview this week with the Washington Times, Keene called Porter “the perfect match for president” and noted his legal expertise.


Porter has served as a head of the NRA’s legal affairs committee. His legal experience will be counted on to help the organization challenge some of the gun control laws passed in several states around the country in court, Keene told the Washington Times.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

JADAR - Just Another Dumb Ass Redneck. That is all. Totally nuts...that whole group.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

Just to be clear..."Full wacko"? Is this in any way implying that David Keene was only half or three quarters wacko? :P And what is the criteria that separates one level of wacko from the next? If it goes in order of hierarchy for "wacko"...then CEO Wayne Lapierre is King Wacko....hahaha
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:46 PM

Good. Shine the light on these half wits. I only hope he says crazy stuff.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:48 PM

Good. Shine the light on these half wits. I only hope he says crazy stuff.


I'd say that's a pretty safe bet.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:48 PM

Good. Shine the light on these half wits. I only hope he says crazy stuff.


Porter has called President Barack Obama a “fake president,” Attorney General Eric Holder “rabidly un-American” and the U.S. Civil War the “War of Northern Aggression.” On Friday, he repeated his call for training every U.S. citizen in the use of standard military firearms, to allow them to defend themselves against tyranny.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:52 PM

I'm as nonviolent as they come...I've never owned a weapon of any kind nor do I ever intend to do so. That said...it isn't the guns that scare me...that make me paranoid...insecure..it's complete bat**** lunatics like the NRA who frighten me..because their numbers are growing by the month and people like Looney Tunes Jim Porter encouraging an armed militia to fight the government is nuts...there's no other way to put it...it's nuts.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:57 PM

JADAR - Just Another Dumb Ass Redneck. That is all. Totally nuts...that whole group.

How about this one from Kentucky... a five year old boy uses his own rifle and shoots his two year old sister, killing her.


Kentucky girl, 2, shot dead by brother, 5, who was playing with gun he'd been given as a gift


Caroline Sparks, 2, was killed after being shot by her 5-year-old sibling with his own .22 caliber rifle. The county coroner has ruled the death ‘just one of those crazy accidents.’



A Kentucky toddler was accidentally shot dead by her own brother as he played with a gun he'd been given as a gift, police said.


Adorable Caroline Sparks, 2, was killed after her 5-year-old sibling fired the .22-caliber rifle at their Burkesville home at 1 p.m. Tuesday.



She was rushed to Cumberland County Hospital but pronounced dead.



The Lexington Herald-Leader reports the weapon — a Crickett branded by makers Keystone Sporting Arms as "My First Rifle" — was given to the little boy last year.


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Crickett rifles from the “My First Rifle" collection for kids on the website of Keystone Sporting Arms



Promotional material on KSA's website says the gun aims to "instill safety in the minds of youth shooters."


Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said the family had not realized a shell was left inside the gun, which was kept in a corner of the house.


The pair's mom was at home when the shot was fired, he added.


Revealing the shooting would be ruled accidental, White added: "It's just one of those crazy accidents."

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Here's How the Rifle That Just Killed a 2-Year-Old Girl Is Marketed for Kids


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On Tuesday, inside a rural Kentucky home, a five-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his two-year-old sister. The boy had been playing with a .22 caliber single-shot Crickett rifle made and marketed for kids. The children's mother was reportedly outside the house when the shooting took place, and apparently didn't know that the gun contained a shell.


"Just one of those crazy accidents," said the Cumberland County coroner, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader.


Clearly the issue of parental responsibility is at the center of this tragedy. But against the backdrop of the Newtown massacre and ongoing national debate over regulating firearms, it also points back to the big business of guns—including how the industry profits from products aimed at children.


The Pennsylvania-based maker of Crickett rifles, Keystone Sporting Arms, markets its guns with the slogan "My First Rifle." They are available with different barrel and stock designs, including some made in hot pink to appeal to young girls.


Business has boomed since the company's inception in 1996, according to its website*. In its first year, it had four employees and produced 4,000 rifles for kids; by 2008 it had greatly expanded its operations, with 70 employees and an output of 60,000 rifles a year. KSA's site states that its goal is "to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve."


But a visit to the "kids corner" page reveals a gallery of photos that some people might find unsettling:

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Then again, KSA's approach to arming America's tykes may be no more disturbing than the post-Newtown boom in bulletproof backpacks and school clothes.


Update, May 3, 10:30amPT: Shortly after we published this story, the Crickett Firearms website was shut down, and it remains unavailable. This morning I called Keystone Sporting Arms and was referred to attorney John Renzulli, who spoke on behalf of the company: He said that the Crickett Firearms site had been "inundated and corrupted" by a surge of visitors and had been shut down by the hosting service. "We're working hard with the host to get the site up again," he said, though he declined to specify when it would be restored. (It's an intriguing explanation given that Crickett's accounts on Facebook and Twitter have also since disappeared.)


Renzulli acknowledged that the accidental death of the two-year-old girl in Kentucky has stirred strong emotions, but said that it was not an appropriate time to continue the debate about gun control. "This is not about Crickett Firearms," he said. "We need to respect the privacy of these people, this family is going through a lot. We're not going to analyze and evaluate what happened here until a full investigation has been conducted by law enforcement. At that point we'll comment."


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

Ah Christ on sale man these kids are given guns sometimes even before they are enrolled in preschool...it's repulsive.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

These are the psychopaths that truly want to take over the country and take away the rights of citizens and establish Alex Jones as the dictator. They want to take away the liberties of people with armed rebellion. They spin it by saying Obama is a not an American, is Muslim, and he "wants to take dem gunz away!" And of course they're just upset they have small penises.

Bill Maher tells them to start their armed rebellion because he'd love to see the look on their face when they walk out of the waffle hut and get smoked by a drone.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

That's gross. What is wrong with these people.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

They must be doing something right when the progessive statists are compelled to throw the full weight of the "liberal" media propaganda machine at them.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:12 PM

They must be doing something right when the progessive statists are compelled to throw the full weight of the "liberal" media propaganda machine at them.


I don't see anything at all they are doing right. These Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition nutcases are completely out of bounds and the way they've integrated their young children into the lifestyle as well is even more appalling. Guess they will never stop...if they won't pull back after some innocent kid in a red state gets her head blown off by her brother..then when will they pull back? When its their own kids getting their heads blown off or blowing someone else's head off? These insolent barbarians make me sick.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:31 PM

I don't see anything at all they are doing right. These Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition nutcases are completely out of bounds and the way they've integrated their young children into the lifestyle as well is even more appalling. Guess they will never stop...if they won't pull back after some innocent kid in a red state gets her head blown off by her brother..then when will they pull back? When its their own kids getting their heads blown off or blowing someone else's head off? These insolent barbarians make me sick.


Do you have any original thoughts on the matter or do you strictly stick to the media script?

Anyway, people, even here in Canada, used to grow up with guns and it was no big deal until the social engineers came along.

Also, not being able to possess effective weapons came ultimately be the deciding factor between a people being free or oppressed, the best example in recent American history being Black Americans finally getting treated fairly after taking up arms and forming groups like the Black Panthers.

It wasn't civil rights marches, like the official history suggests, but the threat of a widespread insurgency that saw that real concessions were made. It was the Panthers and their role model, Malcolm X that first pushed guns being a guaranteer of rights and personal power, it was only with the advent of a the "modern" NRA in the late '70s that the NRA became aggressively politically pro gun.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:35 PM

Do you have any original thoughts on the matter or do you strictly stick to the media script?

Anyway, people, even here in Canada, used to grow up with guns and it was no big deal until the social engineers came along.

Also, not being able to possess effective weapons came ultimately be the deciding factor between a people being free or oppressed, the best example in recent American history being Black Americans finally getting treated fairly after taking up arms and forming groups like the Black Panthers.

It wasn't civil rights marches, like the official history suggests, but the threat of a widespread insurgency that saw that real concessions were made. It was the Panthers and their role model, Malcolm X that first pushed guns being a guaranteer of rights and personal power, it was only with the advent of a the "modern" NRA in the late '70s that the NRA became aggressively politically pro gun.


I have plenty of original thoughts on the matter...as I happen to be an american who has to deal with these people first hand. The NRA is promoting arming civilians with military grade weapons. That is really taking things to an extreme I'm not comfortable dealing with. People are so god damned paranoid in this country...paranoid the government is out to get them...paranoid they're gonna take their precious guns away...I'm not going to sit back and keep silent while the NRA tries to perpetuate and ignite an armed rebellion...that's what's NOT going to happen.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

Anyway, people, even here in Canada, used to grow up with guns and it was no big deal until the social engineers came along.

I know several gun owners here in Canada, but I don't know a single one stupid enough to give a five year old a functioning firearm as a gift.

That kind of moronic mindset resides in the good old US of A and no forward thinking individual needs to be fed anything by "the media" or "social engineers" to realize that it is the act of an absolute idiot, as is the garbage being spewed by the NRA.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

I don't understand why guns seems to draw out the yahoo and wackos.

I'm not a gun owner (yet), I do believe that gun ownership is a privileged that much like owning a car, boat, house, etc., that guns in a way is safeguard against potential tyranny and promotes freedom. I absolutely believe in responsible gun ownership, that it should be locked and unloaded at all times when not in use or cleaning, that children should only be given a gun if within a secured/controlled environment and everybody should be given an exam and background check before being able to acquire firearm.

Are opinions like mine a "minority" within the NRA?
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

NRA just wants to keep gun sales as high as possible. Doesn't matter to them if a nut job is buying them.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

What's craziest about this that Christy Clark supports this guy and her beliefs are completely inline with this guy. :)
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:12 PM

Bashing an attorney Wet? Mind you he probably has just as much credibility as Charlton Heston had.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:46 PM

Ah Christ on sale man these kids are given guns sometimes even before they are enrolled in preschool...it's repulsive.

I was 8 when I got my first pellet gun 10 when I got my own .22 . I have yet to let my 6 year old even play with a toy gun.. But she Will learn how to shoot and hunt just like she knows how to fish when she is ready.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:00 PM

Just to be clear..."Full wacko"? Is this in any way implying that David Keene was only half or three quarters wacko? :P And what is the criteria that separates one level of wacko from the next? If it goes in order of hierarchy for "wacko"...then CEO Wayne Lapierre is King Wacko....hahaha

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 04:32 AM

Violence begets violence begets violence begets more violence. It's an unbroken chain of events and consequences that has been relevant since the founding of our nation..our independence. The only way to stop it is to put the guns down and talk out problems you have with people you don't agree with or who are bringing you down...what makes me weep is the fact that these kids who don't know any better than their parents are telling them are suffering because of it. You cannot hug your children with firearms...you cannot attempt to instill good wholesome values and at the same time promote dangerous practices like guns and hunting to kids before they are old enough to understand how it works. When you pull that trigger..and point it at something...it most likely dies...it never comes back...and I think that it's a piss poor parenting job done by these birdbrain adults to desensitize their children to violence at such a young age. I'm not a fan of trophy or sport hunting that doesn't entail using the carcass for meat. Every time I see the deer head on my uncle's wall I think to myself "I wonder how society would view it if I just went out and shot someone I didn't agree with...cut his head off, stuck it on my wall as a trophy and left the carcass right where I shot him"..I bet that wouldn't go over well...so why do people treat animals the same way? Takes a real big man to shoot things that have no way of fighting back. Cowards.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

Violence begets violence begets violence begets more violence. It's an unbroken chain of events and consequences that has been relevant since the founding of our nation..our independence. The only way to stop it is to put the guns down and talk out problems you have with people you don't agree with or who are bringing you down...what makes me weep is the fact that these kids who don't know any better than their parents are telling them are suffering because of it. You cannot hug your children with firearms...you cannot attempt to instill good wholesome values and at the same time promote dangerous practices like guns and hunting to kids before they are old enough to understand how it works. When you pull that trigger..and point it at something...it most likely dies...it never comes back...and I think that it's a piss poor parenting job done by these birdbrain adults to desensitize their children to violence at such a young age. I'm not a fan of trophy or sport hunting that doesn't entail using the carcass for meat. Every time I see the deer head on my uncle's wall I think to myself "I wonder how society would view it if I just went out and shot someone I didn't agree with...cut his head off, stuck it on my wall as a trophy and left the carcass right where I shot him"..I bet that wouldn't go over well...so why do people treat animals the same way? Takes a real big man to shoot things that have no way of fighting back. Cowards.


Making noises does little if the other party doesn't respect your strength, bottom line. Both at the founding of the U.S. and later in the black civil rights era you had folks that got nowhere until they finally picked up the gun.

Elitist control freaks hate guns, especially militarily effective ones, in civilian hands because it one of the few factors that levels the playing field and keeps them from sooner or later pushing out to the limits of their power as human nature dictates.

As far as "cowardly hunters", its harvesting, not an urban liberal's idea of a macho contest, do you consider yourself brave for letting others produce your meat, leather and other animal products?
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:11 AM

Making noises does little if the other party doesn't respect your strength, bottom line. Both at the founding of the U.S. and later in the black civil rights era you had folks that got nowhere until they finally picked up the gun.

Elitist control freaks hate guns, especially militarily effective ones, in civilian hands because it one of the few factors that levels the playing field and keeps them from sooner or later pushing out to the limits of their power as human nature dictates.

As far as "cowardly hunters", its harvesting, not an urban liberal's idea of a macho contest, do you consider yourself brave for letting others produce your meat, leather and other animal products?


First of all...I don't use leather, eat meat..or use anything else that contains animal byproducts...so you're barking up the wrong tree. Regardless of what belief you harbor...the animals were here first. Our duty is to take care of them so they can proliferate and not suffer an untimely extinction. Their purpose is not to clothe us or feed us.

And FWIW I'm not an elitist control freak at all. I'm a peacenik and a pacifist and I use my words, not my bullets.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:18 AM

First of all...I don't use leather, eat meat..or use anything else that contains animal byproducts...so you're barking up the wrong tree. Regardless of what belief you harbor...the animals were here first. Our duty is to take care of them so they can proliferate and not suffer an untimely extinction. Their purpose is not to clothe us or feed us.

And FWIW I'm not an elitist control freak at all. I'm a peacenik and a pacifist and I use my words, not my bullets.


Ok fine on the animal products, but the rear world definition of pacifism usually means a coward who lets others fight their battles for them while they criticize from the rear.

And while you may not be a member of the "progessive" elite, your stance on a lot of issues seems to be in their best interests.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:00 AM

Ok fine on the animal products, but the rear world definition of pacifism usually means a coward who lets others fight their battles for them while they criticize from the rear.

And while you may not be a member of the "progessive" elite, your stance on a lot of issues seems to be in their best interests.


Lets others fight their battles for them? I beg to differ. I was raised to stand up for what I believe in or support. I was also raised by two wonderful, peaceful people that taught me grass roots political canvassing is the only way to truly get anything done in this country. I'm a pacifist by choice...I'm not going to get physically violent over petty BS but I'm also not going to allow those in the progressive elite as you call them...speak for me, either. Nor am I going to sit back and keep quiet while extremist factions such as the NRA and others run roughshod over the political landscape and my government. I'm not afraid to stand up and say Hey...you know...it's pretty ****ed up the way you people expose your children to guns and violence at such a young age...and if that's offensive to anyone reading this maybe they need to step back and examine their own methods a bit.

Things I am passionate about to the point of activism are clean air, clean water, safe food, cannabis legalization, animal rights, the separation of church and state, the rights of subsistence farmers and evolution. Staunchly anti violence, anti war.. World peace is a pipe dream but it's still nicer than the dreams I used to have. I see absolutely nothing wrong with lifting up your voice above the din when you see something that completely goes against what you stand for.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:33 AM

There have been pacificists who weren't cowards, Gandhi and MLK, however those two both ultimately had armed militants behind them even if they weren't on board with them.

The powers they opposed chose to deal with them rather than face an insurgency. Words alone only go so far.

They're no situation in human culture or indeed the animal kingdom where one isn't better off being in a position of strength, or at least equality, otherwise its all about being exploited at a whim.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:49 AM

There have been pacificists who weren't cowards, Gandhi and MLK, however those two both ultimately had armed militants behind them even if they weren't on board with them.

The powers they opposed chose to deal with them rather than face an insurgency. Words alone only go so far.

They're no situation in human culture or indeed the animal kingdom where one isn't better off being in a position of strength, or at least equality, otherwise its all about being exploited at a whim.


Equality is all I'm looking for, to be totally honest. I know world peace is a pipe dream...but that doesn't mean we can't respect one another's space and rights...that doesn't mean we can't all understand that Love is far bigger than the government...far bigger than religion...and it doesn't mean we can't all celebrate differences instead of ostracizing them and making one another feel worthless or useless. I've yet to see any animal other than humans kill one another over petty piddling crap..No gibbon that I have ever heard of has killed another gibbon because it had longer arms or a different outlook on life. Invoke the animal kingdom all you wish in regards to strength...I find equality...which you also mentioned...to be the prevailing theme in the animal world, at least among members of the same species.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:31 AM

Monkeys fight for dominance, and have been observed mudering, raping and even having different packs going to war with each other.

Anyway I hope the situation in the U.S. can ultimately be resolved peacefully via negotiated political separation, where folks can live in the way they want with the like minded.
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