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#1 AriGold

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

Offseason trades, signings, re-signings etc.. Can't wait to get this hate lol..

Ryane Clowe - 3 x 4.5M

David Clarkson - 3 x 4.5M

Joe Corvo - 2 x 2M

Boyd Gordon - 3 x 1.25M

Colton Orr - 1 x 1M

Jason Labarbera - 1 x 1M

John Scott - 1 x 750K

* this isn't done for positions so don't get bent out of shape if somebody is on the wrong wing.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Clarkson - Kesler - Clowe
Higgins - Couturier - Hansen
Orr - Gordon - Kassian

Garrison - Hamhuis
Bieksa - Corrado
Tanev - Corvo
Scott

Schneider
Labarbera


Re-Sign Chris Tanev 3 x 2.5M

Buyout David Booth, Trade Ballard for anything ( there will be some teams who will want him ).

Trade Luongo for a lesser value because we will have to. I still think Florida is the right destination.

Let Roy, Raymond, Lapierre and Malholtra walk.


Trade Alex Edler to Philly for Sean Couturier + Philly 2nd 2013

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Ryane Clowe ($4.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Clarkson ($4.500m)
Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.250m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Chris Tanev ($0.851m)
Joe Corvo ($2.000m) / Frank Corrado ($0.599m)
John Scott ($0.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Jason Labarbera ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,844,944; BONUSES: $450,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,905,056

Edited by AriGold, 06 May 2013 - 04:44 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

I love the moves but I think Clowe might want a bit more and same goes for Clarkson. Im a big fan of the Edler trade if theyd do it.

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#3 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:38 PM

I think Clarkson would get more, and we should trade Bieksa far before we trade Edler.

Also, realistically, I think we are going to have a hard time attracting all those free agents.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

I think Clarkson would get more, and we should trade Bieksa far before we trade Edler.

Also, realistically, I think we are going to have a hard time attracting all those free agents.


All of them ? Are we that unwanted ?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

With that cap space I'd bump Clarkson up to 5 million and give Clowe 500K more. Pretty nasty lookin line up

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

All of them ? Are we that unwanted ?


Lol its not that, its just not that easy to attract UFA's especially ones like that (most of them) who will get alot of interest.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

I think Clarkson would get more, and we should trade Bieksa far before we trade Edler.

Also, realistically, I think we are going to have a hard time attracting all those free agents.

With that cap space I'd bump Clarkson up to 5 million and give Clowe 500K more. Pretty nasty lookin line up

Changed it to Clowe at 4.5M and Clarkson at 4.5M each.

Clowe - Kesler - Clarkson..

I would not want to face that line..

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

i think wed only be able to land one of Clowe/Clarkson

Edit: 4.5 each might do it, depends how badly others want him

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:12 PM

I really love how mean that 2nd line is.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

Looks like a pretty great lineup, only thing is the total cap space; I tried putting it in myself and came a lot closer; I got 63,549,444 as my cap hit. Did you retain any of Edler's / Couturier's contract in the trade?

Edit: I found it. You still have Tanev on his entry level contract.

Might be hard to pick up both Clowe and Clarkson, but if we did that 2nd line could be insane.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

I would agree Edler is better than Bieksa.

But why go down to Tanev as your best RHD? Look where we are at already when Bieksa or Tanev goes down. In the grand scheme of things trading Edler makes way more sense. Plus it won't get the same return...

As for the OP post; Do we need Clowe and Clarkson? I'd settle, gloating, if we even got Clarkson! By NEXT year we might finally get what we want out of Kassian? You might be right and we need more depth size, but I'd be happy with Torres for less than Clowe. We have bigger priorities. Do we not need to do a better job moving the puck out of our end and from the offensive blue line?

That is where our offence dies!

I have the same conclusion I had last year. Rather than loading great depth on D; we need the one difference maker who can move the puck and control the play. Edler. a 2knd and Lou for Campbell and Bjugstad. Drop the 2knd, I'd take Campbell and Shore!

I think Clarkson would get more, and we should trade Bieksa far before we trade Edler.

Also, realistically, I think we are going to have a hard time attracting all those free agents.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

I would agree Edler is better than Bieksa.

But why go down to Tanev as your best RHD? Look where we are at already when Bieksa or Tanev goes down. In the grand scheme of things trading Edler makes way more sense. Plus it won't get the same return...

As for the OP post; Do we need Clowe and Clarkson? I'd settle, gloating, if we even got Clarkson! By NEXT year we might finally get what we want out of Kassian? You might be right and we need more depth size, but I'd be happy with Torres for less than Clowe. We have bigger priorities. Do we not need to do a better job moving the puck out of our end and from the offensive blue line?

That is where our offence dies!

I have the same conclusion I had last year. Rather than loading great depth on D; we need the one difference maker who can move the puck and control the play. Edler. a 2knd and Lou for Campbell and Bjugstad. Drop the 2knd, I'd take Campbell and Shore!


Garrison
Tanev
Corrado

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:16 PM

I'm not happy with a natural left D as our top right side guy, followed by a 180 lb defensive specialist and a rookie!

In today's context Garrison is fine as a defensive stopper and has a nice shot. He knocks Bieksa back a pairing if he plays right side; but Edler and Bieksa are a bit too loose to be good together. So then you elevate Corrado or Tanev, now you have Edler or Bieksa plus Ballard wasted on 3rd and 4th pairings. Plus we are missing a mobile puck rushing D to have all key skills in our tool box. Add it up; the talents don't compliment each other to create a complete unit.

I made that point at the start of the year, nothing has changed! Moving Bieksa further robs from where we lack depth.

It equals a first round exit team again, 2knd if we're lucky.

Complimenting, not changing, our top forwards is viable. We still have 3 potential all stars.

Our D, despite talent, is what needs a shake up for us to progress. I move from where we have depth; Edler!

Garrison
Tanev
Corrado


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

I'm not happy with a natural left D as our top right side guy, followed by a 180 lb defensive specialist and a rookie!

In today's context Garrison is fine as a defensive stopper and has a nice shot. He knocks Bieksa back a pairing if he plays right side; but Edler and Bieksa are a bit too loose to be good together. So then you elevate Corrado or Tanev, now you have Edler or Bieksa plus Ballard wasted on 3rd and 4th pairings. Plus we are missing a mobile puck rushing D to have all key skills in our tool box. Add it up; the talents don't compliment each other to create a complete unit.

I made that point at the start of the year, nothing has changed! Moving Bieksa further robs from where we lack depth.

It equals a first round exit team again, 2knd if we're lucky.

Complimenting, not changing, our top forwards is viable. We still have 3 potential all stars.

Our D, despite talent, is what needs a shake up for us to progress. I move from where we have depth; Edler!


I am more confident in Tanev as a 2nd pair guy than I am Bieksa quite honestly. And Corrado is clearly ready to play on this team, he brings the grit we lose in Bieksa, I look at him developing as a guy who is a cross of both Bieksa and Tanev (Bieksa's grip and two way game with Tanev's reliability, poise and smarts)

Tanev is ready to play with Edler, Garrison on the right side in better than Bieksa on any side and Corrado is more than ready to be on the third pair.

Bieksa is awful, we might aswell trade him and unload that cap space while we can get a good, useful return on him. That would help us transition.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:45 PM

So we disagree...

We've gone years with only Bieksa as a viable RHD who can score. Also our only D who drops the mitts. Tanev is awesome, but does not score or pose any offensive threat. Corrado has some of that, but is (as mentioned) a rookie. And while he will fight, those I saw him in in junior, he lost. Don't see that being something he can offer till down the track. Bieksa, luvable turnover that he is, offers a lot which is not offered by our other D.

I'm pretty sure you were amongst those satisfied, if not enthused, by our D coming into the season? How did you feel about our D in these play off's so far?

I am more confident in Tanev as a 2nd pair guy than I am Bieksa quite honestly. And Corrado is clearly ready to play on this team, he brings the grit we lose in Bieksa, I look at him developing as a guy who is a cross of both Bieksa and Tanev (Bieksa's grip and two way game with Tanev's reliability, poise and smarts)

Tanev is ready to play with Edler, Garrison on the right side in better than Bieksa on any side and Corrado is more than ready to be on the third pair.

Bieksa is awful, we might aswell trade him and unload that cap space while we can get a good, useful return on him. That would help us transition.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:21 PM

All of them ? Are we that unwanted ?


He's just saying that a team is unlikely to get all of the UFAs that they desire, also it is likely that their price is going be far higher than what most expect.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:36 AM

So we disagree...

We've gone years with only Bieksa as a viable RHD who can score. Also our only D who drops the mitts. Tanev is awesome, but does not score or pose any offensive threat. Corrado has some of that, but is (as mentioned) a rookie. And while he will fight, those I saw him in in junior, he lost. Don't see that being something he can offer till down the track. Bieksa, luvable turnover that he is, offers a lot which is not offered by our other D.

I'm pretty sure you were amongst those satisfied, if not enthused, by our D coming into the season? How did you feel about our D in these play off's so far?


I was content with our D and I am currently content with our D if they play the way they are capable of and if AV uses they as he should, that hasn't happened and won't happen.

Bieksa really just makes whoever he is worse, or takes away from what they can do, there is no need for Bieksa now that we have Garrison, Tanev and Corrado. Garrison is easily better than him and having Corrado and Tanev help shore up the right side, Bieksa still holds great value so we could get something really enticing back.

What Bieksa offers can be filled, and you gotta take into account, how often do these things we love actually happen, I would say about 70-80% of the time its Casual Kev, and then the rest maybe we get the Kev we like. I'm sure that 30-20% (max) can be filled.

And the handedness is no big deal IMO, we have 2 other right side guys and Garrison is better on the right side than Bieksa is.

I guess we just disagree but it has become painfully obvious to me Bieksa isn't 10/11 Bieksa. He's just not. He adds as much if not more failure to this team than he adds success.

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