Bite me Burr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Gillis said that, a few years back...years... like when Boston won the cup and then LA, a trend was emerging that saw big, fast, tough and aggresive steams win in the playoffs. So... NOW... he is going to "evaluate" things and move accordingly, though he says he disagrees with the style. So he knew how to win, saw it, and didn't change... much? He should be fired then. Like any manager who comes out and says they saw it and did nothing because the disagreed with it while the business loses out. Funny though, it all kind of adds up to what I have been going on about for years on here about what the Canucks need to win. I'm glad Gillis said it and is ready to make "bold" moves, again. I see many posters have come around to what very few of us posters have been saying on CDC for a decade of more, that the Canucks aren't tough enough to push back when skill isn't enough and you need to impact the game another way. Now even the GM and all the hockey panels are repeating my/our words. This year at least, we had Kassian and Sestito types. Too bad AV won't play toughness though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Magic wand malfunction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Gillis said that, a few years back...years... like when Boston won the cup and then LA, a trend was emerging that saw big, fast, tough and aggresive steams win in the playoffs. So... NOW... he is going to "evaluate" things and move accordingly, though he says he disagrees with the style. So he knew how to win, saw it, and didn't change... much? He should be fired then. Like any manager who comes out and says they saw it and did nothing because the disagreed with it while the business loses out. Funny though, it all kind of adds up to what I have been going on about for years on here about what the Canucks need to win. I'm glad Gillis said it and is ready to make "bold" moves, again. I see many posters have come around to what very few of us posters have been saying on CDC for a decade of more, that the Canucks aren't tough enough to push back when skill isn't enough and you need to impact the game another way. Now even the GM and all the hockey panels are repeating my/our words. This year at least, we had Kassian and Sestito types. Too bad AV won't play toughness though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 yes and many others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 If you didn't get it he said you have to wait and see if it is going to be just a short term trend, or the evolution of the game. When they introduced the new obstruction rules, Vancouver decided to draft skill and speed. That was the way the game was supposed to be called. It sure isn't being called anywhere near what it was supposed to be. Now the Nucks have to find a way to get that Neaderthal mentatlity of players. But the league will probably start penalizing Van for big hits, just because. Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Every team wants the big tough fast players, but very few teams actually have them. It's hard to change into a big tough team overnight with the Sedins leading the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 If you didn't get it he said you have to wait and see if it is going to be just a short term trend, or the evolution of the game. When they introduced the new obstruction rules, Vancouver decided to draft skill and speed. That was the way the game was supposed to be called. It sure isn't being called anywhere near what it was supposed to be. Now the Nucks have to find a way to get that Neaderthal mentatlity of players. But the league will probably start penalizing Van for big hits, just because. Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everybody Hates Raymond Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Magic wand malfunction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Actually, he's been saying he wants to get bigger and younger for at least a year now. Look at the Kassian trade and the players he's been drafting the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 At this point I just wanna watch entertaining hockey though. I'd rather lose with speed and skill, than lose with big grind it out goon hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 exactly the opposite of Canadian hockey... I'd rather lose with an Iginla than a Sedin any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deized_kanuck604 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I believe he was making reference as to not getting rid of av Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJokesOnYou Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 If you didn't get it he said you have to wait and see if it is going to be just a short term trend, or the evolution of the game. When they introduced the new obstruction rules, Vancouver decided to draft skill and speed. That was the way the game was supposed to be called. It sure isn't being called anywhere near what it was supposed to be. Now the Nucks have to find a way to get that Neaderthal mentatlity of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Gillis said that, a few years back...years... like when Boston won the cup and then LA, a trend was emerging that saw big, fast, tough and aggresive steams win in the playoffs. So... NOW... he is going to "evaluate" things and move accordingly, though he says he disagrees with the style. So he knew how to win, saw it, and didn't change... much? He should be fired then. Like any manager who comes out and says they saw it and did nothing because the disagreed with it while the business loses out. Funny though, it all kind of adds up to what I have been going on about for years on here about what the Canucks need to win. I'm glad Gillis said it and is ready to make "bold" moves, again. I see many posters have come around to what very few of us posters have been saying on CDC for a decade of more, that the Canucks aren't tough enough to push back when skill isn't enough and you need to impact the game another way. Now even the GM and all the hockey panels are repeating my/our words. This year at least, we had Kassian and Sestito types. Too bad AV won't play toughness though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canso Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 it seems like the '11 finals were seen by the whole league as a sign that big and tough is the new way of things, and that's a bummer. our boys had a meltdown in that series and i still don't buy that it was just because the bruins were tough and nasty, there has been a phsychological faultline running down the middle of this group for years and the bruins busted it open, just as the blackhawks have done several times playing a skill system. the canucks could have won that series, and i wish they had. not only for the obvious reason of wanting to see them win the cup, but also so everyone could have come away having seen skill beat size, and so we wouldn't be having this conversation. that 2011 vancouver team played some sublime hockey at their best, it was so great to watch. and it's not as though they didn't hit hard, they did that too but they won on the strength of their skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_devil Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I think he actually meant if I hadn't been such an idiot we still would of had HOdgson who would of carried the third line and produced like Couture.But I"m a dumb*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_a_M Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I feel like the NHL is changing every year. LA didn't win with size it was mostly their goaltending in Quick. Boston deftainely played a rough style of game then most teams do in the league. When Chicago won the cup they won with speed and skill and could very much do the samething this year. To win the cup you need a lot of bounces and to get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbanks Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 everyone is saying this size and strenght is beating skilll is not true just a couple teams over the last few years have had really good big skilled guys ... they havent just gooned it up with no skill and beat people into submission... LA had big bodys sure but their big bodies are some of the best players in the league like brown and kopitar .. richards and carter are no slouches either.. boston played a physicle style but still had a ton of skill on their team... ... LA and boston arguably have the best big guys in the league and know how to play to their strenghts both of them also put up the best goalie performances in the last decade in net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 1. We need to get rid of Ballard and acquire an offensive dman. Unfortunately Jovanovski & Ehrhoff types are hard to find - usually you just luck out. Here are three players I would like to see the Canucks target in place of Ballard:Joni Pitkanen - 1 year left on his contract. Would cost a lot to acquireRyan Whitney - Whitney has struggled with injuries and inconsistent play, but still averaged around 42 points over 82 games with Edmonton. Could potentially be picked-up for 2.5-3.5 million depending on the market.Andrej Meszaros - I really like his size and skating ability. Again he has suffered a lot of injuries, but I would gamble on a straight Ballard for Meszaros swap. 2. Speed and grit. I would love to see us get Raffi Torres or Matt Cooke back. 3. Bottom 6 faceoff winning centre. Brian Boyle comes to mind. Size, toughness, and 56% on the dot. Fairly skilled (score 20 goals one year), is usually near the league lead in hits and is capable of killing penalties. 4. Toughness - Pick up a legit heavy, just in case. McGrattan, Orrr etc are free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Gillis never really says much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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