DeNiro Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 You are making it far too black and white. It's not like we can't (at least try) to have both. Size and toughness has always on almost every championship team (if not every championship team), had its place. I think we should try to get back to what made us so potent in 2010/2011, but I also think we should try to make ourselves more versatile and give ourselves the ability to play the LA/ST/BOS style if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck'nAnimal Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 TOUGH GRITTY PLAYERS WHO CAN SCORE!!! 5 SIMPLE WORDS. That's how San Jose is working. That's the way Boston beat us in 7 in 2011. We can either follow the herd and hope to heck that the NHL will swing the other way in a few more years or we can opt to get grittier, tougher and beat the other team into submission. Now "how to do it" is the question. Right now, the prospective trade-bait that we have on the Canucks isn't attracting any buyers and the ones who are producing are the ones we want to keep. Depleted prospects pool; players who's values have gone down because of this season in the toilet. Lack of effort means lack of marketability on the open market and results in the GM having to eat a lot of potential trade opportunities because other teams will turn around and say "Forget it if he's not showing any upside and his stats stink this year, what's the chance he'll turn it around next year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 TOUGH GRITTY PLAYERS WHO CAN SCORE!!! 5 SIMPLE WORDS. That's how San Jose is working. That's the way Boston beat us in 7 in 2011. We can either follow the herd and hope to heck that the NHL will swing the other way in a few more years or we can opt to get grittier, tougher and beat the other team into submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 We can't have a team too heavily leaned on by size/toughness or speed/skill. We need a good balance of both. Chicago, Boston and LA all had this recipe. Those teams had the ability to adjust to any style and beat it. This. It's all about balance...should be a speed/skill game, however, with the crappy reffing it doesn't hurt to have guys out there who will send a message when the refs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Build out from solid goalie; get big, physical power forward-types, smaller "heart" guys are okay too and pair them with skilled guys who can dish the puck or snipe (like what Boston or L.A. does); it won't be cheap but there's value in doing that since they can survive even against more skilled teams or when the play gets tougher physically. The bigs can also protect their linemates well. If Kassian pans out, Kes/ Twins can keep their intensity up and Burr stays clutch that would be a decent foundation up front. On D they could use work on tightening the play back there (for starters, pair the shutdown guys with the puck movers who make mistakes-- I'm looking at you Edler). Hopefully Schneider can be the young stud goalie who catches fire as the #1 in the playoffs. As for the "foot soldier" types, it's tough to tell who'll step up but guys with skill and determination should be good pieces for the bottom 6 (e.g. Hansen, Lapierre); they just need to find their way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 How many years have the Sharks used the philosophy of size and toughness? And how many years have they had success in the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I'm pretty sure the Sharks have the second most playoff wins in the last 4-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Yep second to the Wings. But how many years were they a top team, and how many years did they make the finals? If size and toughness is the sure recipe for success, surely they would have made the finals once in the last 5 or 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 We need players who can forecheck hard, play good along the boards, cycle well and can score goals. Not just speed/skill or big tough guys. Get a big guy with Sedins, a big guy with Kesler and a speedy guy. Big guys who can put the puck in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Kesler Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Of course you need some size. That's pretty much what the third and fourth lines should be for. And we do have some size, but need a little more. Every year Gillis harps on the importance of a good fourth line, yet never goes out and does anything to improve it. It's a constant revolving door every season. I'm talking about the style of play though. No matter if our player are big or small we have to play an agressive attack style of hockey. Sitting back and defending with the roster we have won't equal success. My point is, we don't need to suddenly change this teams identity, just some of it's personnel. Surround the Sedins with skilled players, and their level of skill will increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 The winning the Stanley Cup kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 How many years have the Sharks used the philosophy of size and toughness? And how many years have they had success in the playoffs? Sure they made it to the second round, but they did it on the backs of their skilled guys and their powerplay. Not grinding it out goon hockey. If they win the cup this year, it won't be because of size or toughness, it will be because of skilled guys like Thornton, Marleau, Couture, and Pavelski. They also got rid of their grittiest players at the deadline and signed Scott Gomez. Maybe they're realizing that there's no substitute for skill after all. Their top powerplay is also key to their success. Not too many teams other than the Bruins make it to the finals without a lethal powerplay. This happens every year after there's a new champion. The Ducks win and everyone thinks they have to be big and nasty. Then the Wings, Penguins, and Hawks win and it's skill that rules. After that it's the Bruins and Kings, and then it's size and defense that wins. All of these teams had grit, it's the personnel and the style of play that was different. The Hawks, Wings and Pens built around skill because that's what their core was made up of. And the Bruins, Ducks, and Kings built around size and defense because that's what their core was made up of. The Canucks core is built around skill, and need to supplement that core with skill. Does that mean we don't need some size and grit? Of course not. But thinking that we're going to win playing like the Kings and Bruins, when the team just isn't setup that way is a recipe for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Big fast guys who can hit,backed up by lethal special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Get an entire team of snipers so we can stop making above average goalies look like gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Should play puck possession,crisp passing ,dangle dropping ,hard hitting,clean but tough hockey. This team relied upon a strong,diversified d and great goalie .with strength up the middle and had great success. Will play to suit the type of players the GM and owner provides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruthHurts Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 We need to play fast and skilled. Overwhelm teams with our speed, puck possession and transition game. When the Sedins are the center of this team, you need to support them with players that play their style. That's why we've had our most success ever with players like Samuelsson, Ehrhoff, and Malhotra. It's all about getting the puck, keeping the puck, and moving it quickly up the ice. The thought that skilled team can't win is wrong. Skilled teams can win, but you have to have enough skill, to counter other teams toughness. We had that winning formula 2 years ago, but ultimately injuries took their toll. At the end of the day, we didn't have enough depth believe it or not. One or two more depth guys, or one or two less injuries and the cup would have been ours. To build a team of big tough grinders, we would have to blow up the team and start from scratch IMO. We need to just stick to the style that gives us the most success and not worry about what other teams are doing. Really, the league might switch back to rewarding skill next season for all we know. So why constantly change our roster? You don't see Detroit reacting every year to try and keep up. They build teams the way they always have. Because at the end of the day, there's no substitute for skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 20 years ago, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigano Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Making it to game 7 and saying it didn't work is idiotic. It wasn't them hitting us that made us lose. Hamhuis injred himself, Kesler, Samuelsson, and Edler were already injured, and Raymond was injured on a fluke play. And because of these injuries we couldn't score, and couldn't keep the puck out of the net. If you read my post I said that we needed even more depth to overcome these injuries. Depth on the level of the Blackhawks of 2010. That's the type of depth you need to win in the playoffs. It wasn't the style of play. If we play the Lightning that year, it may have been a completely different series. You don't prepare your team in order to beat one type of team. A team has to be adaptable, and ultimately injuries took that ability away from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 ok that is exactly why and how the Bruins beat us, by hitting and and being big. We played the Hawks, Preds, and Sharks, they were not like the Bruins. And the same skill got us 2 early 1st round exits because we played bigger teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan90 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 A brand that doesn't involve choking in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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