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#1 MJDDawg

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:18 AM

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Tony doing what Tony does. But I gotta say I don't have a problem with most of this.


http://www.theprovin...4363/story.html


Before setting off for the World Championships to play for Sweden — where that country hopes to be in the final it is hosting — Canucks captain Henrik Sedin stood up for Canucks coach Alain Vigneault at the end-of-season meet and greet with the media.


And why wouldn’t he. After all, as the captain, it’s his job to pretend it’s a wonderful sailing ship that just happened to take on a little too much water. And let’s be clear here: From Henrik’s perspective, what’s not to like?

The twins never have to kill penalties, they get the lion’s share of every power play — no matter how poorly things are going — they start almost every shift in the offensive zone and when things go awry the coach never fingers them publicly.

They’re in the team’s leadership group, which is the management sounding board for any moves they might be planning to make, and the worst blame that ever comes the Sedins’ way is when the coach might say, “Your best players have to be your best players.” This is as close as it gets to heaven for an NHL player, so naturally they’d like the country club to be run just as it has been, with perhaps a couple of suggestions for the team chef for next year.

Said Henrik: “AV has been nothing but great for this team. So if they want to go in a different direction, that’s up to them. I think our core players have really grown up here and have become better as the years went on. AV has helped us grow as players, and as leaders as well. So I have nothing but good things to say.”

Excuse me, better as the years went on? Sorry, not seeing that after the past two playoffs.
Helped you grow as leaders? After last year’s playoffs, the way Henrik worked and kept pushing against the Kings, you might have had some agreement with that. But after this year’s shocking display — whereby the twins did the absolute square root of sweet fanny adam, coming up with just one even strength point in the series and not reaching anywhere near the level of intensity necessary to compete until the third period of game four — we have to call horse manure to that as well.
And then the captain went on to indict the coaching staff and/or his brother and himself, when he claimed the power play’s shortcomings were the team’s biggest trouble when it came to scoring goals.

“One of the main things is that our power play hasn’t been very good, that’s the main thing,” said Henrik. “We’ve had a few injuries to key guys that you need on your power play. If that percentage goes up to where it should be, I think those are the goals we’re missing. That’s been the problem this year, and it was last year as well.”

Hold on a minute here, pal. Nobody was missing for the playoffs. Both Ryan Kesler and Daniel were present and accounted for, and fit as fiddles. And they’d been around to practise everything for several games before the postseason began. Daniel missed a bit of last season and Kesler much of this season, but missing one guy as they were in each of these instances — never both at the same time — can’t be the reason your power play has gone from being the best in the game to something people laugh at.



It’s here where Henrik inadvertently levels some of his greatest criticism at the coaching staff: by citing the obvious power-play failure. When you have both Sedins, Alex Edler, Alex Burrows, Jason Garrison and — when it counted — Ryan Kesler all available and your power play sucks, there’s something profoundly wrong with its design. And that’s the responsibility of the coaches.

Clearly what was needed during Kesler’s absence for much of this season was to design a power play whereby Henrik could have delivered the puck from the left offensive boards to the wheelhouse of Jason Garrison on the left point. That would have been the equivalent of Henrik putting it on Sami Salo’s stick from the right side of the ice, and that was always successful. Henrik might have had to move lower, closer to the net to create room and then backhanded the pass from that left side, but he’s more than capable of pulling that off. But the coaches couldn’t even find a way to get Garrison on the ice on the first unit in any capacity, something that almost certainly had to stun everyone in the league.

When asked if he thought Henrik on the left side, feeding him on the left point, might have been an option on the first unit, Garrison laughed in frustration and said: “I like to think I can shoot the puck from anywhere on the ice.”

Over the years the Sedins have been great contributors to this team and this community, and that is truly loved and admired by all. Lately though, they’ve also been making considerable contributions to the bullbleep pile as well.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:23 AM

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I kind of agree with him
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

I thought you meant the poker player for a second.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:34 AM

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What does he expect? He's acting like its the media's right to know everything going on behind the Canucks. Henrik's never going to publicly come out and say "yeah, its the coach's fault/this player's fault" - he's the kind of person that isn't going to feed journalists mean-hearted quotes to fill their articles with. Maybe that's why Gallagher's so bitter, he has to actually delve deeper into his own brain to think of something to write.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:37 AM

No suggestions just plain old rip into them.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:40 AM

Any circuitous line of reasoning which ultimately points blame towards AV's ineptitude, is to be appreciated & applauded.

He's done to our franchise, what Bush did to America. Kaibosh that dud!
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:41 AM

I have vitamins in me

good, i'm not alone with something inside of me
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:45 AM

Tony never disappoints.
His idiocy always rises to the top.
Had trouble reading past the whole "the Twins never have to kill penalties" thing.
That about sums up Tony's density.
As for Tony's pretenses to coach, there's a reason Henrik sets up on the right half boards. Garrison's laughing at the suggestion that running the powerplay from the left side is genius, and noting that he can shoot the puck from either side, may have something to do with the fact that he did precisely the opposite - shoot the puck from the right side on the powerplay - when he tallied 16 goals in Florida last season.
And when he's on the 2nd unit, where does he shoot the puck from?
Being on the right side on the point of the pp allows for the one-timer from both the right half-boards, where Henrik sets up, and the cross ice pass from the blueliner on the left side. Having your primary shooter being a left handed shot on the left side of the point...isn't it elementary how dumb that is? That eliminates the one-timer from the right point, and would have Henrik handling the puck with his forehand directed down low were he to move to the left side.
Is this Tony G's genius plan for making Garrison and the pp more productive?
Thanks for coming out Tony.
The ironing is that you are the most prolific producer of bullbleep in the city, and you've just dumped your latest load.

Edited by oldnews, 15 May 2013 - 01:09 AM.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:49 AM

Ehrhoff has been missing for the past two playoffs, but anyway...

Relying on the powerplay, and therefore the refs to make calls, in the playoffs is folly. We've just seen the Caps go the entire game 7 against the Rags with ZERO powerplay chances. You simply cannot count on the powerplay when it matters most. So i hope that isn't 'the big strategy' again.

But this season our PK sucked more than the powerplay, thanks to no Manny. Hey, that's another missing guy.

Meanwhile, it's stability when you're winning, but a country club when you're losing. These factors that make the Sedins happy? Yeah, they were important when they won mvp awards and when the team went to the finals. What would you have preferred? Losing them as free agents to TO? Could you imagine the panic around this fairweather city if we traded the Sedins just before they hit their peak? Good Lord.

And to think writers here have the gift of hindsight when making their ho-hum reports based on flawed analysis... I mean, can't these guys do better?

I shake my head to think that this guy represents this team abroad. Remember when that goomba Shawn Thornton took him to school? Couldn't even get the simplest of facts straight, and then ran his team under the bus. What a bloody disgrace.

Hey, Gillis said we need to 'reset', Tony G. So RETIRE already!
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:14 AM

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lol @ how this board calls every reporter who isn't a Canuck homer who plays cheerleader all day an "idiot". Take your Canuck glasses off
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:48 AM

lol @ how this board calls every reporter who isn't a Canuck homer who plays cheerleader all day an "idiot". Take your Canuck glasses off


I'd love to hear your take on his solution for the powerplay, and his protest that the Sedins don't have to kill penalties.
Feel free to elaborate on his genius.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:55 AM

AV has never fingered the twins in public............thats where he is going wrong
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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:01 AM

Plain and simple solution to this mess... draft Canadian and ditch the euro mentality.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:21 AM

AV has never fingered the twins in public............thats where he is going wrong


Couldn't disagree more. Calling out the Twins publicly is the kind of thing a coach who is trying to displace criticism and save his job would do.
Vigneault doesn't turn a blind eye to the Sedins - he has handled his disappointment with their performances in the past in the form of cutting their ice time, and in some instances, their powerplay time, but suggesting that he should call them out publicly... that kind of approach can go south in so many ways. Some of us remember the Keenan era. Others should be careful what they wish for, Gallagher included.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

Couldn't disagree more. Calling out the Twins publicly is the kind of thing a coach who is trying to displace criticism and save his job would do.
Vigneault doesn't turn a blind eye to the Sedins - he has handled his disappointment with their performances in the past in the form of cutting their ice time, and in some instances, their powerplay time, but suggesting that he should call them out publicly... that kind of approach can go south in so many ways. Some of us remember the Keenan era. Others should be careful what they wish for, Gallagher included.


sorry, you obviously dont get my attempt at humour
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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:49 AM

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Yes! Finally someone gets it. I've been wanting to write a piece on the Sedins for so long.

Stop pointing figers at either of our goalies, or secondary scoring, or our fouth line(lol).
Our problem starts with the Sedins. We're not, (we might have, in 2011, with a great supporting cast and Kesler at his best) going to win diddly squat with these two.

I don't even care about the fact they're not tough, or not great defensively, because that's not what we need them to do.
We need them to score, and when does that happen? Neither of them can shoot anymore, look how Daniel reacted when the Sharks suprised him, twice, with that isolation move. He could not fire the puck....
But the main downfall of the Sedins, in my opinion, is their lack of speed. They just can't get to the puck, or put on a meaningful forecheck, with those slow strides. If you're not big, or tough, you need to be speedy, or have a great shot.
The Sedins have none of those things.......
When do you ever see the Sedin line with the same intensity that Kesler plays with?

Some of you may instinctively disagree with this because the Sedins have supposedly been the face of this franchise for so long, but many among you don't remember how long we waited for them to develop as decent players, after we drafted them. For the longest time, the twins were absolutely horrible players.

I think we have one of the weakest first lines around the NHL. To prove my point, take the best player on each of the other NHL teams, and how many of these players would you take, for either Sedin? And don't give me that sh*t, the Sedins aren't to be compared separately to another player, that they need to stay together to be effective. That's actually a knock against them, isn't it their problem that neither of them can compare individually to another so-called superstar? We're effectively spending 12+ million a year on two players that, when added up, are the equivalent of a bonafide superstar.

We shouldn't get stuck in this mentality forever, we can have much more freedom and flexibility in shaping a new team, when we get rid of the twins, and will have the opportunity to head on the right direction.

I realize the Sedins have been great to the community, but hockey-wise, I don't think they can carry this team. They belong on some team's second line, not on the Canucks' first. No hard feelings, I hope they find success somewhere else, but it's certainly not going to happen in Vancouver.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:11 AM

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No suggestions just plain old rip into them.


Honestly it's posts like that that do my head in.

The guy is not paid to make suggestions. However if you had read the article he DID IN FACT make a suggestion.
What is the point of a journalist making suggestions? Do you think the Club are noting them down to incorporate into their play next year?
He is not payed the big bucks to get it right. That's AV and MG's function.

He is right. If the Sedins really think what they are quoted as saying we are in real trouble. If they don't then better not to say anything at all.

You have to question the motives as he says of Sedin here. If he loves the Club and thinks AV is not up to it, at the very least he should be non-comital. The alternative is that they do get an easy time and they are happy to just potter along and scrape into the playoffs for a fleeting moment of embarrassment.

Edited by Bodee, 15 May 2013 - 03:11 AM.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:33 AM

Yes! Finally someone gets it. I've been wanting to write a piece on the Sedins for so long.

Stop pointing figers at either of our goalies, or secondary scoring, or our fouth line(lol).
Our problem starts with the Sedins. We're not, (we might have, in 2011, with a great supporting cast and Kesler at his best) going to win diddly squat with these two.

I don't even care about the fact they're not tough, or not great defensively, because that's not what we need them to do.
We need them to score, and when does that happen? Neither of them can shoot anymore, look how Daniel reacted when the Sharks suprised him, twice, with that isolation move. He could not fire the puck....
But the main downfall of the Sedins, in my opinion, is their lack of speed. They just can't get to the puck, or put on a meaningful forecheck, with those slow strides. If you're not big, or tough, you need to be speedy, or have a great shot.
The Sedins have none of those things.......
When do you ever see the Sedin line with the same intensity that Kesler plays with?

Some of you may instinctively disagree with this because the Sedins have supposedly been the face of this franchise for so long, but many among you don't remember how long we waited for them to develop as decent players, after we drafted them. For the longest time, the twins were absolutely horrible players.

I think we have one of the weakest first lines around the NHL. To prove my point, take the best player on each of the other NHL teams, and how many of these players would you take, for either Sedin? And don't give me that sh*t, the Sedins aren't to be compared separately to another player, that they need to stay together to be effective. That's actually a knock against them, isn't it their problem that neither of them can compare individually to another so-called superstar? We're effectively spending 12+ million a year on two players that, when added up, are the equivalent of a bonafide superstar.

We shouldn't get stuck in this mentality forever, we can have much more freedom and flexibility in shaping a new team, when we get rid of the twins, and will have the opportunity to head on the right direction.

I realize the Sedins have been great to the community, but hockey-wise, I don't think they can carry this team. They belong on some team's second line, not on the Canucks' first. No hard feelings, I hope they find success somewhere else, but it's certainly not going to happen in Vancouver.


You may be onto something.

However I think you miss the point about the Sedins. Instead of comparing them to any single player you should be comparing their line to any other LINE.

This is and has been where the fault lies with the Sedin line. Not with the Sedins but who plays with them. The Sedins are as productive as almost any other pairing in the league over the last 4/5 years. It is when they get into the playoffs that they take the brunt of attention game after game............and their 3rd man is unable to cause enough havoc/physicality to alleviate it.

That is why I have been crying out for a big gritty sniper to be brought in on their line. Who cares if we have to bundle Burrows if we get what we want. Someone like Brouwer, Voracek, Iginla or Neal.

Not only that but the 2nd line is so poor (apart from 2011) it means that any team only has to concentrate on the Sedins to shut us down.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:37 AM

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It'll be funny to see how we fare once the Sedins and Luongo have left the building... Be careful what you wish for...
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:51 AM

The team has choked two playoffs in a row. So every article ripping them is mostly right.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

It'll be funny to see how we fare once the Sedins and Luongo have left the building... Be careful what you wish for...


Yeah some people don't understand that the
Sedins are dime a dozen they're not a Raymond or booth that can be drafted or traded if needed. If we give away the Sedins for a bag of pucks just because were frustrated at the moment, then consider our "window" to be closed and a rebuild awaiting.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:04 AM

Tony Gollum is a hack who very rarely has a good article, the rest is to rip the Canucks a new hole. I don't know why anyone doesn't heckle the guy when he is doing Sportsnet interviews up in the balcony at the Rog. What a tool.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:08 AM

lol @ how this board calls every reporter who isn't a Canuck homer who plays cheerleader all day an "idiot". Take your Canuck glasses off


but he is an idiot
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:51 AM

Ever since Thornton embarrassed Tony I have a hard time taking his pieces seriously.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:41 AM

You may be onto something.

However I think you miss the point about the Sedins. Instead of comparing them to any single player you should be comparing their line to any other LINE.

This is and has been where the fault lies with the Sedin line. Not with the Sedins but who plays with them. The Sedins are as productive as almost any other pairing in the league over the last 4/5 years. It is when they get into the playoffs that they take the brunt of attention game after game............and their 3rd man is unable to cause enough havoc/physicality to alleviate it.

That is why I have been crying out for a big gritty sniper to be brought in on their line. Who cares if we have to bundle Burrows if we get what we want. Someone like Brouwer, Voracek, Iginla or Neal.

Not only that but the 2nd line is so poor (apart from 2011) it means that any team only has to concentrate on the Sedins to shut us down.

When your game is built around a puck possession cycle in the offensive zone does it matter who the winger is? Van has been looking for that elusive winger for over a decade. Burrows filled the bill as he demonstrated an ability to play the Twins game and cycle with them. Kassian had a good stretch of 6 - 7 games and AV had to eventually bring Burrows back in. With no 2nd or 3rd line for most of the season who knows how much that impacted the Twins game. I argue that the Twins should be broken up and featured on the top 2 lines. Superior puck handlers on two lines who would reunite on the PP. I suggest the Twins together over the past 12+ years is more a reflection of a weak roster. Van coaches maintained the Twins together as the best offer from a weak position. A natural reaction to weak playoff performance would have been more experimentation during the regular season. Never happened. A legit criticism of Van's coaching this season would have been th

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:45 AM

Yeah some people don't understand that the
Sedins are dime a dozen
they're not a Raymond or booth that can be drafted or traded if needed. If we give away the Sedins for a bag of pucks just because were frustrated at the moment, then consider our "window" to be closed and a rebuild awaiting.


You contradicted yourself...
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:47 AM

Ehrhoff and Salo made the PP so much better.

Imagine a PP d man like Karlsson?

Gillis will probably target another power forward that is four years out from maturity.

“One of the main things is that our power play hasn’t been very good, that’s the main thing,” said Henrik. “We’ve had a few injuries to key guys that you need on your power play. If that percentage goes up to where it should be, I think those are the goals we’re missing. That’s been the problem this year, and it was last year as well.” Hank
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

Plain and simple solution to this mess... draft Canadian and ditch the euro mentality.


Ehrhoff and Salo were clearly less valuable than the acquisition of Kassian.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:57 AM

Tony G is usually full of BS, but this is along the lines of the way I feel, too.

You can't pin all of our shortcoming on the PP. We sucked on 5-on-5 and PK as well.


This is no offense to Henrik, but along the lines of why AV needs to go. I think Kesler should be named Captain of this team. Or Burrows. Or someone.

Simply put: I think we need someone else to be named captain, we need an all new coaching staff (keep Melanson), and I happen to think we need a new GM, too.

...and I'd like new Owners -- ones who will bribe the refs like all the American ones do -- but that's beside the point.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 07:58 AM

What alarmed me more than anything in Hanks post-mortem was the waxing on about how fixing the power play was the cure for all our problems. As has been mentioned, while it would obviously be a bonus, if the team should have learned anything in the last 3 playoffs now is that you can't count on the officiating in the playoffs. This isn't only a Canuck issue. We've seen it again this playoff in the other series as well.

I have to believe that MG and the rest of the leadership group are not of like mind in thinking that only minor tinkering to the power-play/special teams will be the panacea for this team.
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