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#1 jagori78

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:52 PM

Why give up so many assets for Kassian? Torres was already here and is even more effective. Sure, Kassian supposedly had more "trade value" but on-ice value is equal.

Why was Raymond kept and given a raise, when Tambellini was also just as effective and played for minimum salary?

Gillis still thinks like a player agent, thinking a player with a supposed higher ceiling and bigger cap hit some how is the better player on ice. For all he said about "moneyball" he is evidenced to think the opposite.

Why spend 4 million plus on each defensemen when Andrew Alberts is just fine at 1 million? You need a top six forward? Get a Ray Whitney. Top 4 defenseman? Keep Salo. Sure Jason Garrison is contributing, but Salo would have been just fine as well, and saved us a million.

The problem is Gillis tries to overdo things, and fills his supporting cast with players that can supposedly all step into a bigger role. The only problem with that is the team doesn't have enough "game breaker" depth because of all the wasted assets.

You cant have Chicago's or LA's depth wasting so much cap on roles that don't require it.

Chicago has Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, and Seabrook. 6 difference makers.
LA has Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Brown, Doughty. 5 difference makers.

Vancouver has the Sedins, and Kesler.

Chicago and LA, with such depth of impact players, has the added benefit that their supporting cast gets so much better. Justin Williams, Brendan Saad, Dave Bolland, etc. become so much more effective when surrounded by true star players fullfilling their role.

Look at Burrows. He's really a third liner. But put him with the Sedins', and he becomes an effective player that has to be accounted for. But you can't get more "stars" while wasting so much cap on Ballard, Garrison, Booth, Burrows, etc.

I am not sure if Gillis understands this that you build your core first. Hodgson has game changing ability; and will get much better. You cannot trade him for "accesory" players. He could become as important as Logan Couture or Pavelski; you didn't see SJ trading those two.

How good of a player could you have gotten trading Schneider and Hodgson together at the draft last year? That type of package could have gotten you Rick Nash.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:55 PM

lol.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:57 PM

I discredited this topic as soon as I saw that NHL 13 was being related to real life.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:59 PM

Garrisson was our best D all year, hardly a waste
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:59 PM

If hockey was a video game, Raymond, Ballard, and a 1st would work every time.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:02 AM

I trolled my own post with my title, thought it would be funny. My thread has nothing to do with trading crap for good players like you can in video games. Its more about acquiring players to fill the role, not to do more. You need defensive depth, sign a depth defense man. Not some 4.5 million dollar guy.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:02 AM

Your topic title makes it hard to take you seriously, but you preach a point that I've been talking about all this year.

Chicago's third line costs them a combined cap hit of 1.982m.

That's how they are able to keep guys like Toews, Hossa, Kane and Sharp.

Bickell and Stalberg are free-agents coming up. I bet you Chicago will let them walk, and replace them internally or via free-agency.

Internally guys like Morin and Hayes might step up. Frolik and Kruger could get promoted... It's how the Hawks work. They don't have much dead-weight on their roster, if at all.

Honestly, this is one of the worst defense structures I've ever seen.

Edler [5]
Bieksa [4.6]
Garrison [4.6]
Hamhuis [4.5]
Ballard [4.2]

No true #1 and yet 22.9m locked up on 5 defenseman. I would ship out Bieksa, Edler and Ballard for cheaper defenseman who play a more mistake free, safe game. Give me Scuderi, Oduya and Boychuk over these guys.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:17 AM

Your topic title makes it hard to take you seriously, but you preach a point that I've been talking about all this year.

Chicago's third line costs them a combined cap hit of 1.982m.

That's how they are able to keep guys like Toews, Hossa, Kane and Sharp.

Bickell and Stalberg are free-agents coming up. I bet you Chicago will let them walk, and replace them internally or via free-agency.

Internally guys like Morin and Hayes might step up. Frolik and Kruger could get promoted... It's how the Hawks work. They don't have much dead-weight on their roster, if at all.

Honestly, this is one of the worst defense structures I've ever seen.

Edler [5]
Bieksa [4.6]
Garrison [4.6]
Hamhuis [4.5]
Ballard [4.2]

No true #1 and yet 22.9m locked up on 5 defenseman. I would ship out Bieksa, Edler and Ballard for cheaper defenseman who play a more mistake free, safe game. Give me Scuderi, Oduya and Boychuk over these guys.


Something like that, yes. We have Tanev and Corrado who can play in the top 6 (with a veteran guy like Alberts, but maybe RH as a 7th d-man). I also like the "build from within and let guys walk" mentality. The one thing we lack is star players though, and if you look at Chicago and LA, they got them from being bad and drafting them, a luxury Vancouver hasn't had.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:29 AM

I trolled my own post with my title, thought it would be funny. My thread has nothing to do with trading crap for good players like you can in video games. Its more about acquiring players to fill the role, not to do more. You need defensive depth, sign a depth defense man. Not some 4.5 million dollar guy.


Ahh, I see. You should change the title, otherwise folks like me will discredit this topic without even reading it.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:30 AM

Bring in gritty Andrew Ference. Mobile, defensive defenseman

Bring in veteran offensive defenseman Marek Zidlicky. Has more skill and smarts then Edler in the offensive zone. Limit his ice-time to 3rd pairing and give him top PP time.

Bring in stay-at-home defenseman Ryan O'Byrne. Local boy from Victoria, can help clearing the crease and provide toughness in the back end. He worked very well with Andrei Markov, but Markov got injured, thus O'Byrne eventually started bouncing around.

You reduce your costs, and bring in players who do their role effectively.

Ballard was asked to be a defensive defenseman, when he is a puck-rusher/offensive defenseman. FERENCE
Bieksa is asked to be in a shut-down role, and while has succeeded at times, is very poor in his own end. O'BYRNE
Edler is suppose to be the #1 guy on offense, when all this guy has is a hard shot. ZIDLICKY

You can probably get Ference at 2.25-2.75m, O'Byrne at 1.5-2m and Zidlicky at 2.5-3m.

Trade Edler+ for Eriksson or Voracek if possible.
Trade Luongo for Matthias and picks.
Trade Bieksa for picks/prospects
Trade Higgins for picks/prospects
Dump Ballard or buyout.
Dump Booth or buyout.

Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
XXXXX - Kesler - Jensen
Burrows - Matthias - Hansen
XXXXXX - Lain - Kassian

Hamhuis - Ference
Garrison - Tanev
O'Byrne - Zidlicky

Schneider
Lack

Now push hard for someone like Clowe, Filppula, Ribeiro.. Not the greatest, but what can you do when your short on assets, and you traded your best one for Zack Kassian.

Hows that Jagori?
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:43 AM

Something like that, yes. We have Tanev and Corrado who can play in the top 6 (with a veteran guy like Alberts, but maybe RH as a 7th d-man). I also like the "build from within and let guys walk" mentality. The one thing we lack is star players though, and if you look at Chicago and LA, they got them from being bad and drafting them, a luxury Vancouver hasn't had.



Lets say the Canucks tank 13/14 and 14/15. In 15/16, the only players under contract are:

Kesler, Burrows, Higgins, Bieksa, Garrison, Hamhuis, Edler. I bet you Sedins get extended, as well as Schneider. Guys like Jensen, Kassian, Tanev, Corrado, develop into solid NHLers.

Canucks get two top 3 picks on ELC's that instantly bolster their line-up.

XXXXXXX - XXXXXXXX - Kassian
D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Jensen
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen
Higgins - Gaunce - Lain

Hamhuis - Tanev
Garrison - Corrado
Edler - Bieksa

Schneider
NEW GUY

I mean, you don't see guys like St.Louis/Lecavalier wanting out. Tampa got Stamkos/Hedman and probably Drouin this year. Could be pretty good if Drouin is NHL ready. Plus a ton of young guys ready to step up like Panik, Killorn, Palat, Johnson, Connolly, Barbeiro, and maybe Namestikwhatshisname and Kucherov.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:50 AM

Our Defense is as rock solid as they come when they all play within a structure in the d-zone. All of them have the ability to pinch in the O-zone and that's what makes our attack so hard to contain.

This year whether it be the shortened season or the structure they didn't play consistent enough. Giving up 8 goals is not usual with a defense this good.

When we had Willie Mitchell and Ohlund, two stay at home shut down guys, we still gave up 7 goals in an elimination game.

Bowness and AV are the one's who will have to pay for the breakdowns.

Keep this elite defense together.

Hamhuis is our #1 and Garrison is a solid shut down #2.

Edler is a beast, big smooth skating puck-mover who hits like a freight train.
Bieksa is our most physical defenseman, extremely well rounded.
The Corrado Kid and CT, the mistake free steals.

Just get rid of Ballard obviously, but I love our current defense.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:51 AM

Our Defense is as rock solid as they come when they all play within a structure in the d-zone. All of them have the ability to pinch in the O-zone and that's what makes our attack so hard to contain.

This year whether it be the shortened season or the structure they didn't play consistent enough. Giving up 8 goals is not usual with a defense this good.

When we had Willie Mitchell and Ohlund, two stay at home shut down guys, we still gave up 7 goals in an elimination game.

Bowness and AV are the one's who will have to pay for the breakdowns.

Keep this elite defense together.

Hamhuis is our #1 and Garrison is a solid shut down #2.

Edler is a beast, big smooth skating puck-mover who hits like a freight train.
Bieksa is our most physical defenseman, extremely well rounded.
The Corrado Kid and CT, the mistake free steals.

Just get rid of Ballard obviously, but I love our current defense.


Just to let you know, you aint alone in your feelings about the d-corps.

Ill expect Eddie to have a better season next year after living with his new back. Obviously a healthy Juice would be groovy.

All healthy hands on deck on the blueline will help balance the scoring.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:01 AM

I think it would be better if they used MY NHL 13 strategy: Go 82-0-0 in the regular season and sweep every team in the playoffs to win the cup
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

Never losing a game > Fake trades.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

Can't we just sim the regular season then sweep the playoffs?
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:23 AM

Our Defense is as rock solid as they come when they all play within a structure in the d-zone. All of them have the ability to pinch in the O-zone and that's what makes our attack so hard to contain.

This year whether it be the shortened season or the structure they didn't play consistent enough. Giving up 8 goals is not usual with a defense this good.

When we had Willie Mitchell and Ohlund, two stay at home shut down guys, we still gave up 7 goals in an elimination game.

Bowness and AV are the one's who will have to pay for the breakdowns.

Keep this elite defense together.

Hamhuis is our #1 and Garrison is a solid shut down #2.

Edler is a beast, big smooth skating puck-mover who hits like a freight train.
Bieksa is our most physical defenseman, extremely well rounded.
The Corrado Kid and CT, the mistake free steals.

Just get rid of Ballard obviously, but I love our current defense.


I agree. I think this Canucks defense is one of the most well rounded, balanced groups in the league.

Hamhuis - Bieksa (proven chemistry, Hamhuis makes Bieksa look like a legit top pairing d-man)

Edler - Tanev (Edler's only knock is his defensive lapses and with Tanev beside him calming him down, this could be an amazing pairing moving forward)

Garrison - Corrado (Who better to teach the 20 year old rookie than Garrison? Besides, Corrado isn't exactly a liability when he's on the ice at all)

I know some will say "but Garrison isn't a bottom pairing guy" and I get that, but why not split up the defense like this while 5 on 5? It gives each pairing a lefty and a righty and they can all play 20+ minutes when needed. It's the special teams that would determine who's more of a top 4 guy anyways. Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Corrado would all see time on the power play while the coach could limit the penalty kill time for Edler and Corrado unless they prove they should be there.

As for depth, re-sign Alberts and bring in O'Byrne as the 7th and 8th guys. Both are big, tough, shut down d-men that can play a regular shift, won't cost a lot and gives the Canucks one lefty and one righty for depth.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:23 AM

You can see where Gillis' signings have painted him into a corner where he HAS to trade Edler to gain any sortof flexibility.

Edited by TOMapleLaughs, 22 May 2013 - 08:25 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

NHL13?

Better get that resume in quick. Who knows, the Canucks might have a position open soon.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

If seabrook is a difference maker then hamhuis, garrison and edler are difference makers. So there. That's six
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