The disconnect between the media here with the fans and the team. Would an Ultra-Homeristic Media Help? (Hell Yes!)

[BRAVEMAN91]

Botchford is a total ass! This is a guy who has built his reputation off the hardworking back of Roberto Luongo. 95% of his columns are about him. He has an agenda to get him out of town and drives the wedge into his articles about that.

I got blocked by Botchford on twitter for calling Luongo a stud for how he has handled the situation and Botch as a dud for being an arrogant pr....

That being said, you need a mix of emotion. Can't be 100% one way or 100%another. Gotta be balanced.

[Red Light Racicot]

Again - you didn't really get the point, which is not that it "bothers me". I actually quite enjoy ripping Botchford and Gallagher articles to pieces.

I'm getting the impression you aren't actually attuned to the context that TOML is referring to. When you say something like " you need to understand that the media is not negative, the media is simply the media" it becomes evident to me that you don't really pay much attention to the local media, and probably haven't witnessed this patently obvious (beyond) trend for the past 20 years. There's a combination of aloofness, self-hating and poor-me bordering on a syndrome, that is beyond sad-ass.

TOML's response is appropriate imo - it's not about asking them to be nice: who really cares if they are "nice" - it's about calling their signature act what it is.

A large part of this fan base would like to see an alternative that isn't so mopey and pathetic - and whose criticism's actually carry some hockey sense.

[TOMapleLaughs]

The basis for comparison was established in the OP, where I made the point that Boston media wouldn't accept somebody from NY telling them what's what about their team, players or fans, nor would Chicago let their fans get thrown under the bus by it's own media.

Of course the media can be critical of the team. Of course the can be negative if they so choose. It's the lack of an appropiate response to outside criticism that is more of a problem.

But really, we need a champion in our local media that the fans respect and support. We need somebody who's an all-out homer and we need that guy to go on the attack when we're facing a barrage of negative press from the TO-based blabbering bullters.

Problem: Our 'local' media is controlled by TO-based corporations. In theory, this could be why our media is so nutless when it comes to actual team support.

imho They would not tolerate nutlessness in any established hockey market elsewhere.

[TOMapleLaughs]

There is a 'disconnect' when the fans and the team view the mainstream media with such disdain.

Gillis has talked about this issue multiple times, yet the media refuses to change. The support half-hearted, at best, even at the peak, and when outside influences take shots, the response was nothing. No pride in the home team at all. Pathetic, when compared to the ultra-aggressive rah-rah blabberings by other teams' homer media.

The fans bring it up endlessly, but the media just plugs their ears and goes 'who, us? Not our fault, bud.' And no, the teams' performance is out of their hands, but the public perception is totally within their realm, and to that degree our media absolutely FAILED in 2011.

But they'll probably say that's not their job. Rather sit in their hands and take orders from TO.

Meanwhile that Edwards guy in Boston was given a cup ring. You think they view ultra-homeristic media as being important?

[Cromeslab]

Couldn't agree more with the OP.I honestly think there is a very definite behind the scene effort to belittle this team in the media.we need some homer journalism with a real hate for Eastern bias or any bias against our team,sort of a polar opposite to Neil McCrea.

[ABNuck]

What...it's OK if I beat the crap outta my kids, but if anyone else does it they're in for sharp twitter blast? How about reading the threads from CDC the day after a loss, or the day after the draft / July 1 / trade deadline. The so-called "fans" on here blast our own players / coaches / managers / owners etc. EVERY chance they get...and now you're ticked because the media won't stand behind our boys? Seems a little hypocritical to me. Personally I couldn't give a crap what the media says, their bias is towards sensationalism, whether good or bad towards our Nucks. What I hate, nay DESPISE, is the same attitude displayed on CDC by some of our team's supposed "fans". How about displaying some of that "homerism" on here a bit more. Do you honestly think our boys play their a$$e$ off for the media? NO! They go out there game after game and play for us...THEIR fans. They don't give a crap what the media says...but they sure do respect a building full of cheering fans, a bar full of Canuck jersey toting "home-boys", or a fan who stands behind them...even when they're trying to, but not quite achieving, the success they want...not just for themselves but for the whole team and city for which they represent.

[viking mama]

Anti-Canucks media does exist in this city for a variety of reasons...but those battle lines are a-changin'!

[viking mama]

One of the worst Anti-Canucks standard-bearers was Dan Russell of Sports Talk on CKNW. Mr. Russell carried some implacable resentments after losing flag-station status to the Team1040...& being justifiably passed-over for the play-by-play gig in favor of John Shorthouse. Dan regularly rallied Anti-Canucks Nation types like...Flamers & Oil-fans to his cause by spewing negativity at or about the 'Nucks from every angle. Thank goodness - he's been turfed! The chastising emails that guy must have generated...finally got thru to his 'NW bosses...despite Dan's darker following. So - let's hope Russell's lemmings & weekend-hosts Dave Sheldon or Brooke Ward...will also begin to think more for themselves...& take a fresher tack going forward! Already appreciating the improving enthusiasm from ex-TEAM1040 talking-head - Dave Pratt. I just thought it was sad to hear a home-grown station fuel such gloom, doom, & at times hatred for our team. So - I wonder what the future will bring on that front?

[canuckdynasty]

This defeatist attitude - although pitiful, is I think the fans', the media's, the province's attempt at exercising liberal guilt over our team's perhaps questionable conduct, in regards to, the diving, the arrogance (Luongo V Thomas), and reaction/over-reaction to our cup loss. I detest drawing the parallels of war, but I think we all to some degree are still experiencing a type of kollektivschuld, post 2011.

But as the OP alludes too, its time to get over this, firstly we need to forgive this team, the coach, gillis, players, and even ourselves for our setbacks and purge forward.

It has been a rough couple of years, but all we can do is be behind this team for better and for worse and just be patient but not passive when we are not at our best.

[oldnews]

I suspect youre missing some of what Im trying to say too; like how the media writes controversial articles because that is what sells.

You claim there is a disconnect, but I have seen many who agree with the recent articles authored by Botchford and Gallagher. This is hardly surprising, Gillis himself acknowledged the season was a terribly dissapointing one. Whether of not there is a disconnect and to what extent is a matter of opinion.

The perception of the media is also completely subjective. You claim the media is negative without a real frame of reference, no clear definition of what constitutes a positive or negative media. You need a basis for comparison to do that. This isnt the only city where the fans and media have an antagonistic relationship. Its quite similar elsewhere.

[BedBeats™2.0]

Just to clarify some users being a bit chaffed about TOM.

Ill endorse him and this thread (not that i have any weight whatsoever,) but he has been active here for awhile, and he usually has transparent comments regarding the team.

It is only recently that he has a very good opinion about the media. I hope folks do not misunderstand the sentiment.

The eastern bias is interesting because they are much more complimentary to the team when they are not sussing out their western counterparts. But its usually cursory. Its always noticable when they start ragging, that they are taking their cues from western media, because they simply do not give a crap. Same goes for Oilers/Flames/Jets.

I am mortified that B-Mack has fed the no-minds with the outrageous suggestion of the Canucks exploring buy out scenarios involving Lu/DiPietro, in which Botch manufactured one of the most retarded "what if" op-ed pieces ive read in awhile.

[CHodgson9]

I only listen to Tony G, The Cryptkeeper, when he appears during Canucks games. Otherwise, hearing that nasally, negative, nincompoop, dribble on about the horrid state of the franchise really kills my mood. DeNiro is spot on (as he often is) in his assessment, and to echo his sentiment, I too would prefer to read about the positives of this organization.

Our local media does NOTHING to contribute to our asset values, and only acts to its detriment by continuously recycling the garbage from national coverage (including Luongo's terrible contract, comparisons to DiPietro, etc.) Are you f***ing kidding me? Luongo is one of the most successful goalies in the modern era of hockey, signed to a great cap-hit. His accolades short of winning a cup are tremendously respectable, and our Media can't help inflate his value given all his success? It's pretty clear to see that the perfect seal formed between their metaphorical lips, and TSN/CBC's anus, only gets quenched when the national media defecates exactly as per their sickening craving.

It's easy to play the pile-on game, but I reckon it would take too much creativity, brains, research, and general willingness to report accurately, than it does to resort to deflating tabloid journalism which I've become all but accustomed to.

Hey Botchford - on today's Studs and Duds, I'm dubbing YOU and the Vancouver media, complete DUDS!

[BedBeats™2.0]

I only listen to Tony G, The Cryptkeeper, when he appears during Canucks games. Otherwise, hearing that nasally, negative, nincompoop, dribble on about the horrid state of the franchise really kills my mood. DeNiro is spot on (as he often is) in his assessment, and to echo is sentiment, I too would prefer to read about the positives of this organization.

Our local media does NOTHING to contribute to our asset values, and only acts to its detriment by continuously recycling the garbage from national coverage (including Luongo's terrible contract, comparisons to DiPietro, etc.) Are you f***ing kidding me? Luongo is one of the most successful goalies in the modern era of hockey, signed to a great cap-hit. His accolades short of winning a cup are tremendously respectable, and our Media can't help inflate his value given all his success? It's pretty clear to see that the perfect seal formed between their metaphorical lips, and TSN/CBC's anus, only gets quenched when the national media defecates exactly as per their sickening craving.

It's easy to play the pile-on game, but I reckon it would take too much creativity, brains, research, and general willingness to report accurately, than it does to resort to deflating tabloid journalism which I've become all but accustomed to.

Hey Botchford - on today's Studs and Duds, I'm dubbing YOU and the Vancouver media, complete DUDS!

[Clinch16]

......the perfect seal formed between their metaphorical lips, and TSN/CBC's anus, only gets quenched when the national media defecates exactly as per their sickening craving.

[MJDDawg]

Two words...

Tommy Larscheid!!

I miss the guy! He could be negative sure, but to me he always seemed to represent what the average guy was thinking. If the team was stinking it up, he'd say so. But it wasn't in the arbitrary or bandwagon kind of way it is with guys like botch, who just want to sell papers.

Tommy really cared and to me that's how he came across.

[CroSen]

I am not sure how much the media matters to fans. If the Province guys say "bad stuff" even when the team is doing well, I would hope fans would just ignore it and move on? I mean I don't let people dictate who I will and will not cheer for. This past season many could see the wheels falling off the bus so to speak, and I think much of the journalism in the province, and nationally was right on.

Granted, I am not a big fan of the Province guys either, however we can't just assume they are wrong or have an agenda with every single thing they write.

Want a more positive take? Listen to BMac and Taylor, even when they are critical of the Canucks they tend to do it in a light hearted way.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Tommy Larscheid!!

[oldnews]

I am mortified that B-Mack has fed the no-minds with the outrageous suggestion of the Canucks exploring buy out scenarios involving Lu/DiPietro, in which Botch manufactured one of the most retarded "what if" op-ed pieces ive read in awhile.

[RWMc1]

The head goofer in the editing dept. at the Province has admitted openly that he has a negative view of Gillis and holds a grudge against him. Is it any wonder that his sports reporters write mainly negative columns regarding the Canucks. Botchferg is a goof and I'ma coming missusa Whiggins Gallagher is a drooler. 1040 is owned by an Eastern Co. so they tend to parrott eastern idiocy. Add to that the fact that most sports media personalities in Vancouver are from somewhere else and is it any wonder that so few of them can be un-biased or God forbid supporters of the team.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Botch just 'quit' Team 1040. We'll see where things head from here on out. Hopefully for the better.