hockey21383 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 God this Lawrence Gilman is an idiot. He makes long ass speeches before we make our first round selections, which makes us look utterly stupid, and if he thinks this core is going to take the team anywhere he's out of his mind. The Sedins are 2nd line players now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Bob McKenzie trying to plug his tsn cohort Paul Maurice (suppose he's gotta) - I personally aint buyin. So far not really too enthused - I think they should wait at least a month to see what Tippett decides to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Nothing wrong with what he said, we didn't expect any of our core to be traded. It doesn't mean we're not gonna add players to compliment our core. If we get the right pieces this team can definately win that one extra game it needed to in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 God this Lawrence Gilman is an idiot. He makes long ass speeches before we make our first round selections, which makes us look utterly stupid, and if he thinks this core is going to take the team anywhere he's out of his mind. The Sedins are 2nd line players now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Not a surprise. The combined factors of (1) having most of the major personnel components locked into NTCs/NMCs and (2) the salary cap going down next season meant that the Canucks were going to be hard pressed to make any major moves. ... As much as I share people's frustration with this team, when I set those emotions aside, it becomes clear that wholesale changes to the roster would be a premature action at this time (and would most likely hurt the franchise, given the overall league climate and the fact that the Canucks would be selling low on most transactions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 It will be a buyers market this summer, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 We don't need any big moves. On paper, the Canucks are up there and definately a top-5 team. However, our coaches absolutely botched last season. We still have the 2 best passers in the league in the Sedins. We have a Selke-worthy center in Kesler (he played great in the few games he played, at a 60-70 point pace) We have plenty of playoff-type powerforwards (Burrows, Booth, Higgins, Kesler, Hansen, Kassian) We have lots of good youth coming in (Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder, Tanev, Corrado) We have what very easily could be one of the best top-4 defences in the league (Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa) We have some great depth on defence too, with 9 (now 10 with Corrado) NHL-ready defencemen We have the best goalie depth in the league, and Schneider had bursts of Vezina-worthy play We have what very easily can and should be the league's best powerplay On paper, the Canucks are still a contending team. However, AV, Brown and Bowness dragged this team down with them in the playoffs. All we need is a change of coaches and the players will hopefully play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Nice to see our management are united and always on the same page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALTtimegreat Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Same core even with different coach is still a first round exit or even worse since other teams have gotten better and their young superstars are getting better and some are reaching their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I think MG kinda hinted it 2 weeks ago on a team1040 interview that the AV firing will be the biggest off season change we will see this summer... They're already setting up the excuses for when they fail to do anything significant this summer. Also, if Eakins is #1 on their list and we lose him to NYR because we waited 2 weeks to do what everyone in the league knew would happen.. ill be so pissed with this management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jimmy Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Guys, if your car is sputtering and coughing because it needs an air filter you don't scrap it or replace the entire motor...it's still a perfectly good car. That's how I feel about thrs team. Give them a chance to work back to where they are capable of being. We were that close and, with some lucky bounces and good officiating, we may have won the cup. You don't start over in that situation for, what you risk and could end up with may send you in the wrong direction. Knowns vs unknowns. We know these guys can play well and be a top team...I'm confident in them. Tinkering, not an overhaul. People here panic and give up too easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I am paraphrasing, but his interview essentially said: So much for all the changes we wanted. Looks like the management group is going down with the core. Should be a sad state of affairs in 3-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Reminded me of this : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I agree that our coaching was wacky at times but I hardly blame coaching for our woes. If Coaching is our issue how the hell did we win 2 Presidents Trophies and make it to the 7th game of the SC? Are the coaches responsible for our lack of scoring once the playoffs start? If we manage to get a coach that can milk the most out of what we have we are still a few bodies away from being able to compete that the top during the SC. We are not as good on D as the Kings or Bruins, we are not as good up front as the Hawks or Pens. The Wings are improving again, same with the Ducks & Sharks. I agree that hanging tight and re-evaluating the team is prudent but if the team isn’t good enough to seriously challenge then we may have missed the trading window as well. A top GM realises this and manages to move assets at their peak value or conversely acquire assets desperately needed. Wilson this year Lombardi last, even Maloney managed to assemble a hard working over achieving team without the benefits that the Canucks have at their disposal. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Better ???? be some big changes, you know...like that long winded grovelling letter MG wrote us said there would be. Bottom line is I expect Lu moved in a package for something decent and a quality coach by the draft, or I will probably lose interest in the Canucks for next season. I've watched 90% of the games a season for nearly 20 years, but i'm having a hard time caring about this team right now. If i'm honest i'd rather watch a rebuild than another season of the same lazy team and empty promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Guys, if your car is sputtering and coughing because it needs an air filter you don't scrap it or replace the entire motor...it's still a perfectly good car. That's how I feel about thrs team. Give them a chance to work back to where they are capable of being. We were that close and, with some lucky bounces and good officiating, we may have won the cup. You don't start over in that situation for, what you risk and could end up with may send you in the wrong direction. Knowns vs unknowns. We know these guys can play well and be a top team...I'm confident in them. Tinkering, not an overhaul. People here panic and give up too easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Not a surprise. The combined factors of (1) having most of the major personnel components locked into NTCs/NMCs and (2) the salary cap going down next season meant that the Canucks were going to be hard pressed to make any major moves. Given those realities, management likely wants to use next season to take an accurate "temperature" of what they really have with this core and this overall roster. They need to find out how big or small a factor the coaching was in the failures of the past two playoffs (and also measure the degree to which this group of players may or may not have lost their competitiveness and drive). It makes sense really. If the coaching change yields dramatic improvement, then Gillis will have a strong rationale to continue with this core. If not, then the next step is overhauling the player personnel, and the Sedins' contract expiry after 2013-14, coupled with an increased cap ceiling, is the most logical time to make a decision about the long-term future of the roster. As much as I share people's frustration with this team, when I set those emotions aside, it becomes clear that wholesale changes to the roster would be a premature action at this time (and would most likely hurt the franchise, given the overall league climate and the fact that the Canucks would be selling low on most transactions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I think your outlook on 'if we stick to the core we have we will have a sad state of affairs in 3 to 5 years" speaks volumes. Recent fans and longer term fans of this team alike are enjoying the best decade of Canucks Hockey since they entered the league...even the most upset type of fan with our early exits the last two years and our game seven final series loss to the Bruins 3 playoffs ago manage to hedge their bet with "WE SUCK...in 3 to 5 years" ...hahaha... ...why would management make wholesale changes to a team that was in game 7 of the final series for the cup, the hardeest trophy to win in pro sports, and they were there this time, two years ago: about 700 days back. Having faith in the core is a good phrase to use when you don't want to say anything but you have a media booking and need to talk. You can presume that what was on his mind was "We are tight against the cap and still could use about 4 to 6 guys on the roster, so clearly we have to move someone, and as you all know it will be a goalie, maybe coupled with an expensive skater to get enough relief at the cap to sign the 5 bodies we need to sign to ice a team...but aside from that, your not going to see the twins shipped out, we won't be trading Kesler, Burrows, Booth and Ballard in a package for Lucic, et cetera. In short the canucks are not off season buyers this year, they have no room, they are sellers of necessity, so they will move the contract or two that must be moved to make enough room to ice a full squad. Why would he say that though, and open up a can of whoop butt when it doesnt happen or things change in a different way?..safer to lower your expectations and move on with business behind closed doors. Personally I still think the franchise as a whole is trying to recover from what the hooligans of Vancouver did following the loss to Boston...that is a pretty big psychological deal to have laid on the team, to be frank and you can blame the rioters at least in part for our back to back first round exits. Just as you can blame bertuzzi for damaging the teams psyche leading up to the end of the Naslund Era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Your really not getting my point or the finesse of what it is I am saying, so no, i don't think that and i didn't say that. Why did you facepalm a concept you don't understand? ....(M Theory, ) there I can do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockey21383 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 We don't need any big moves. On paper, the Canucks are up there and definately a top-5 team. However, our coaches absolutely botched last season. We still have the 2 best passers in the league in the Sedins. We have a Selke-worthy center in Kesler (he played great in the few games he played, at a 60-70 point pace) We have plenty of playoff-type powerforwards (Burrows, Booth, Higgins, Kesler, Hansen, Kassian) We have lots of good youth coming in (Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder, Tanev, Corrado) We have what very easily could be one of the best top-4 defences in the league (Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa) We have some great depth on defence too, with 9 (now 10 with Corrado) NHL-ready defencemen We have the best goalie depth in the league, and Schneider had bursts of Vezina-worthy play We have what very easily can and should be the league's best powerplay On paper, the Canucks are still a contending team. However, AV, Brown and Bowness dragged this team down with them in the playoffs. All we need is a change of coaches and the players will hopefully play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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