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#1 TheLiveWire

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:37 AM

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I personally don't understand why everyone wants Edler gone so badly. I understand he did disappoint this year, but so did nearly everyone else. Sedins, Higgins, Lappy, KASSIAN, etc. I actually don't think he was as awful as everyone thinks. Besides, next year Edler will bounce back and be a huge asset. He also already took a paycut because he wants to be here, and next year he's going to be hungry to prove himself. We've seen Edler when he's on his game and he is a monster. 6'3, 215 pounds, he can put up 40 points a season if not more and we have him locked in for 6 years. He will be a huge asset. I also think our d group is pretty solid.

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison Corrado

I think this is a pretty good defensive lineup. Each line has at least one impactful shooter but is still reliable defensively. With Tanev Edler should do pretty well. He can also be good on the pp if we pair him up with Garrison. There is really no need to trade him and poke a pretty significant hole in our d when we still have pretty non-useful players who should go. Such as ballard, schroeder, luongo, etc. I say unless we are getting HUGE return with Edler, trading him will be a catastrophic mistake.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:40 AM

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He's one of the big pieces we can move for quality assets . We don't have much on this team..
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:42 AM

I don't want him traded at all, but it's not surprising to see the Canucks fan base turn on him.

1) Fans are desperate for change
2) He struggled this year
3) He's the only contract people think that can be moved
4) He has value, a whole lot of it.
5) He has a fairly big contract.

I only don't understand why people think, he's going to be a throw in or traded away for nothing. He gets a lot of undeserved heat, but what do you expect. We are known as a terrible fan base for a reason.

Who gives up on a 27 year defense man, with his skill set. He's still better than most of the guys in the league despite his struggles last year. If the Canucks don't want him, teams will be lining up and if he falls into a team that deals with Edler properly, unlike the Canucks. Then, it's going to bite us in the ass.

I've been saying forever. Get a true puck moving defense man, and not only does it fix the Twins ability to move quicker up the ice. Edler gets back to playing his game. Stupid team has him playing as a puck moving for the past few years because they were too cheap to re-sign Ehrhoff and expected Edler to replace Ehrhoff's point production. The new coach will probably help Edler's game unless it's the management being dumb and telling the coaching staff to use Edler as a puck mover defense man, like they have.

Edler is better off going to Detroit, where he can developed properly and turn into the defense man everyone thought he'd be. This allows the Bieksa fan boys to have a reason to keep Bieksa. Aside from Beiksa, the Defense on the team is soft like butter. Teams love playing against the Canucks cause it doesn't hurt to fore check or go into the zone. One of the many reasons, team has failed to have playoff success. Edler's the only one that can throw a hit to someone that is 6'3+

Edited by Rey, 04 June 2013 - 11:57 AM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:44 AM

It's not that we want him gone, he's the only valuable asset without a NTC, if we want to improve sometimes you need to sacrifice a good player.

Edited by mpt, 04 June 2013 - 11:45 AM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

No, don't keep an asset that is valuable...

We need to trade it for help up front.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:51 AM

If Edler can be packaged for either a prospect player or pick that gets us into the top 5 or a solid prospect and a top 15 overall pick this year as well I am sorry but the Canucks would be crazy to not trade him. A 40 point D-Man or a 50-70 point forward or center...your call
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:52 AM

He's one of the big pieces we can move for quality assets . We don't have much on this team..


This, plus we'd lose a ton of cap with him gone
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:54 AM

This, plus we'd lose a ton of cap with him gone


Depends on who they get in return of course
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:54 AM

On top of him being one of very few tradable assets with value, he just has not lived up to his potential. I don't really think he will, or he would have by now.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:55 AM

I'd like to keep him but if we can get a good return then do it do it do it
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:58 AM

I'd like to keep him but if we can get a good return then do it do it do it

this is it!
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:01 PM

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Problem is he had a bad year, and 2 bad playoffs in a row. He'll be 28 at the end of next season, so if he has another bad year, we are stuck with an NTC and 5 another five years at 6M.

He will lose all his value and he will have an NTC. Basically that will be the Luongo Saga version 2.0. He will have some value but with his contract and NTC will be unmovable.

Now he still has almost full value because there is still hope and other team will take a chance and could give up something substantial.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

I'd like to keep him but if we can get a good return then do it do it do it


I'd say the same for Kesler
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:03 PM

plus we need to take into consideration that his hit on Staal might affect him. Might lose that physical presence, one of the last thing he has left.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:03 PM

I'd say the same for Kesler


Why?

One of the few players who steps his game up in the playoffs, and you want him gone.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:17 PM

Bieksa 31 and prone to getting hurt
Hamhuis 30 and not bulletproof
Ballard 30 and hardly in the lineup
Garrison 28 and relatively untested
Edler 27 and not bulletproof
Tanev 23 and not bulletproof
Corrado 20

Edler is the only all-star in this bunch. But he's not a clear #1 either. If we trade him, we're in trouble, short-term, and we're adding to the pile of developmental and failures.

I think he and the rest of these guys perform better with more help up front. Trick is getting it.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:34 PM

It's not that we want him gone, he's the only valuable asset without a NTC, if we want to improve sometimes you need to sacrifice a good player.


Doesn't he have an NTC that kicks in July 1? Or am I losing it?
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:36 PM

I'd still give him a shot. Look at KB3, everyone wanted him gone a few years ago, and then he had a comeback year.

Yes he's valuable, but so are the Sedins, Kesler, and Schneider, so that's a rather dumb argument.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:37 PM

Doesn't he have an NTC that kicks in July 1? Or am I losing it?

No you're right. He does.

I think it might be July 5th it kicks in though

Edited by CanuckianOne, 04 June 2013 - 12:38 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:04 PM

Defensively he's barely an NHL player and has always sucked in his own end. We have too much money wrapped up in defence and an inability to change the line-up moving forward.

Putting up 40 points while playing top minutes and PP time and having zero defensive responsiblity with the Sedins is not overly impressive. Not sure why so many people overlook the defensive aspect of the defence postion. Below my comphrehension since the word defence is in defenceman but whatever.

Keeping him into his NTC determines that this defence core will be one of the most expensive yet one of the most horrible defenensively in the entire league for years to come. Just doesn't make sense.

You can hide one defensively poor player in your top 6, but not two. Either you have to trade Edler or Bieksa IMO. You can't have 2 of your top 4 not having a clue what's going on when they are on the ice.

Problem is he had a bad year, and 2 bad playoffs in a row. He'll be 28 at the end of next season, so if he has another bad year, we are stuck with an NTC and 5 another five years at 6M.

He will lose all his value and he will have an NTC. Basically that will be the Luongo Saga version 2.0. He will have some value but with his contract and NTC will be unmovable.

Now he still has almost full value because there is still hope and other team will take a chance and could give up something substantial.


Whomever can't see this obvious fact is blind as a bat. Nothing like putting all your bets on a longshot.

Edited by Dogbyte, 04 June 2013 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:05 PM

edler is good....one bad year should not decide a players career and i am not only referring to edler but lapierre and kassian as well
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

edler is good....one bad year should not decide a players career and i am not only referring to edler but lapierre and kassian as well


It's one bad year and two bad playoffs. It's not a matter of do we want him. It's that hard choice a GM has to make. Move some pieces to get better over a long term, or do we risk turning into Calgary and spinning our wheels getting nowhere in the playoffs and trading players when we would get nothing for them in return.

Right now the only players I'd say are untouchable are Tanev, Corrado, Gaunce, Garrison and Hamhuis, Burrows, Hansen, and Higgins. I'd be willing to move anyone else provided we get great return, and the players with NTC's are willing to move.

If you want quality back, you have to give up quality.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:29 PM

Defensively he's barely an NHL player and has always sucked in his own end. We have too much money wrapped up in defence and an inability to change the line-up moving forward.

Putting up 40 points while playing top minutes and PP time and having zero defensively responsiblity with the Sedins is not overly impressive. Not sure why so many people overlook the defensive aspect of the defence postion. Below my comphrehension since the word defence is in defenceman but whatever.

Keeping him into his NTC determines that this defence core will be one of the most expensive yet one of the most horrible defenensively in the entire league for years to come. Just doesn't make sense.

You can hide one defensively poor player in your top 6, but not two. Either you have to trade Edler or Bieksa IMO. You can't have 2 of your top 4 not having a clue what's going when they are on the ice.


Back when he came into the league Edler was great defensively. He played a solid, patient, safe game. Actually somewhat similar to Tanev. Somehow he lost that. I do agree that having Bieksa and Edler probably doesn't work. And, yet someone decided it was a good idea for both of them to be out there in the last minute of game 2, nursing a 1 goal lead.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:29 PM

Edler is the big piece that can bring a nice return to the team and can help re-tool our top 6 forwards.

If we want to jumpstart this organization sacrificing Edler is the best return. If yandle's asking price was a top line forward and two prospects then the return for edler shouldn't be too different.

Gotta give to get and dealing from our d-core makes the most sense.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

He's been a pylon for a couple years now and doesn't come anywhere close to making up for it on the other end of the ice. Get him the hell outta here.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:01 PM

Back when he came into the league Edler was great defensively. He played a solid, patient, safe game. Actually somewhat similar to Tanev. Somehow he lost that. I do agree that having Bieksa and Edler probably doesn't work. And, yet someone decided it was a good idea for both of them to be out there in the last minute of game 2, nursing a 1 goal lead.


He did seem to get better results when he first played on the team although I believe that was probably becasue he was sheltered. Maybe he just all of the sudden turned terrible about 3-4 years ago I don't know but that's not very realistic. What I do know is that I've been watching him closely for at least 4 years now. He is slow, he can't read a play to save his life if it's not absolutely obvious, has no clue who to pick up in his own end, has zero touch and agility, can't run a PP to save his life, doesn't use his size, and generally has little hockey sense. What he can do is shoot the puck really hard (although his on net % must be close to 0), he has some slick skill with the puck in front of the opposing net if he can ever get there. He puts up points but that is the be all end all of his game. Is that worth $6 mil a year ... I sure as heck don't think so.

Edited by Dogbyte, 04 June 2013 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:06 PM

Why?

One of the few players who steps his game up in the playoffs, and you want him gone.


As a GM you need to be willing to trade anyone if it makes the team better, if you aren't you should be fired, no such thing as an untouchable
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:58 PM

I don't want him traded at all, but it's not surprising to see the Canucks fan base turn on him.

1) Fans are desperate for change
2) He struggled this year
3) He's the only contract people think that can be moved
4) He has value, a whole lot of it.
5) He has a fairly big contract.


6) This is our only 'real' opportunity to trade him, since his NTC goes into effect this summer and after that it will definitely limit options.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

I want a top 6 forward as much as the next guy. I was actually against the Roy trade because I would rather have gotten a skilled winger. But you take what you can get. But the thing is, theres no need to ruin that defensive group and punch such a big whole to get a top 6 forward when you can still use other assets to do it. For example, I think a simmonds for Luo deal is a fair deal. Maybe add small adjustments here or there. Some may disagree, but I think that would be a much more effective route.
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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:07 PM

I don't think MG will move him. Unless its a blockbuster trade for a top forward
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