406281dylan Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 edler is good....one bad year should not decide a players career and i am not only referring to edler but lapierre and kassian as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 edler is good....one bad year should not decide a players career and i am not only referring to edler but lapierre and kassian as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Can Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Defensively he's barely an NHL player and has always sucked in his own end. We have too much money wrapped up in defence and an inability to change the line-up moving forward. Putting up 40 points while playing top minutes and PP time and having zero defensively responsiblity with the Sedins is not overly impressive. Not sure why so many people overlook the defensive aspect of the defence postion. Below my comphrehension since the word defence is in defenceman but whatever. Keeping him into his NTC determines that this defence core will be one of the most expensive yet one of the most horrible defenensively in the entire league for years to come. Just doesn't make sense. You can hide one defensively poor player in your top 6, but not two. Either you have to trade Edler or Bieksa IMO. You can't have 2 of your top 4 not having a clue what's going when they are on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Edler is the big piece that can bring a nice return to the team and can help re-tool our top 6 forwards. If we want to jumpstart this organization sacrificing Edler is the best return. If yandle's asking price was a top line forward and two prospects then the return for edler shouldn't be too different. Gotta give to get and dealing from our d-core makes the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 He's been a pylon for a couple years now and doesn't come anywhere close to making up for it on the other end of the ice. Get him the hell outta here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Back when he came into the league Edler was great defensively. He played a solid, patient, safe game. Actually somewhat similar to Tanev. Somehow he lost that. I do agree that having Bieksa and Edler probably doesn't work. And, yet someone decided it was a good idea for both of them to be out there in the last minute of game 2, nursing a 1 goal lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Why? One of the few players who steps his game up in the playoffs, and you want him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I don't want him traded at all, but it's not surprising to see the Canucks fan base turn on him. 1) Fans are desperate for change 2) He struggled this year 3) He's the only contract people think that can be moved 4) He has value, a whole lot of it. 5) He has a fairly big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 I want a top 6 forward as much as the next guy. I was actually against the Roy trade because I would rather have gotten a skilled winger. But you take what you can get. But the thing is, theres no need to ruin that defensive group and punch such a big whole to get a top 6 forward when you can still use other assets to do it. For example, I think a simmonds for Luo deal is a fair deal. Maybe add small adjustments here or there. Some may disagree, but I think that would be a much more effective route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I don't think MG will move him. Unless its a blockbuster trade for a top forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 As a GM you need to be willing to trade anyone if it makes the team better, if you aren't you should be fired, no such thing as an untouchable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 The only problem I have with trading Edler is that he's the only one on our backend who brings the size and the potential for bone crushing hits. Garrison, Hamhuis, Tanev, and Corrado aren't really known for their hitting. That leaves us with Bieksa, (who seems like he's sort of lost his edge lately),Ballard(who will most likely be traded or bought out), and Alberts (who brings size but is prone to taking penalties sometimes). Our blueline lacks a hard hitting presence as well as someone who can rush the puck. I'd trade Edler if he can fetch us a legit top 6 winger but I think his game can make good improvements under a new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I don't want him traded at all, but it's not surprising to see the Canucks fan base turn on him. 1) Fans are desperate for change 2) He struggled this year 3) He's the only contract people think that can be moved 4) He has value, a whole lot of it. 5) He has a fairly big contract. I only don't understand why people think, he's going to be a throw in or traded away for nothing. He gets a lot of undeserved heat, but what do you expect. We are known as a terrible fan base for a reason. Who gives up on a 27 year defense man, with his skill set. He's still better than most of the guys in the league despite his struggles last year. If the Canucks don't want him, teams will be lining up and if he falls into a team that deals with Edler properly, unlike the Canucks. Then, it's going to bite us in the ass. I've been saying forever. Get a true puck moving defense man, and not only does it fix the Twins ability to move quicker up the ice. Edler gets back to playing his game. Stupid team has him playing as a puck moving for the past few years because they were too cheap to re-sign Ehrhoff and expected Edler to replace Ehrhoff's point production. The new coach will probably help Edler's game unless it's the management being dumb and telling the coaching staff to use Edler as a puck mover defense man, like they have. Edler is better off going to Detroit, where he can developed properly and turn into the defense man everyone thought he'd be. This allows the Bieksa fan boys to have a reason to keep Bieksa. Aside from Beiksa, the Defense on the team is soft like butter. Teams love playing against the Canucks cause it doesn't hurt to fore check or go into the zone. One of the many reasons, team has failed to have playoff success. Edler's the only one that can throw a hit to someone that is 6'3+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I'm unsure about Edler. We know he has been able to do the job in the past. Last year sucked, obviously. Is it him? It is coaching? I miss the big hits he used to throw. Interesting point another CDCer wrote, regarding the Staal hit. Hopefully there are no mental setbacks for Edler from that. But for those pining over Ehrhoff... meh. Sure, great on PP, but too much a defensive liability. I miss Mitchell a boatload more, and at half the price (although, he didn't play this year...). We've had some good/great D-men that we have let go, but more often, the decision was correct. Ehrhoff was weak defensively, Salo too old/slow for the money, Mitchell's huge injury/concussion risk, Ohlund's sad end to a great career. I hope that Gillis makes the right decision with Edler as well. I just don't know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheeler64 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Kessler and Burrows are the only 2 forwards i wouldn't trade Kessler carries this team on his back when he's healthy .... like he is now I'd say the same for Kesler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I think we should keep him... A Canucks defense without Ehrhoff AND Edler would be tiny and unable to help out offensively, for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Edler needs to play on the second line. Line 2 is defensively proficient so they need a scoring touch. Hamhuis & Bieksa are both capable scorers, while excelling defensively so they can make sure the Sedins have the puck as much as possible. You look at a guy like Kris Letang, and he has seen a lot of second line minutes. Granted our second line is no Malkin, Iginla, Neal,.... Put him beside a guy like Kesler, who can help mop up Edler's defensive mistakes. They need to stop putting 4 forwards on the PP and be smart about who goes on the back end. If both Garri & Edler are on the first unit, they are still setting up the point shot from Garrison. A waste of Edler's talents, since he can score that way too. PP # 1 Sedin - Sedin - Kesler Hamhuis - Garrison (I know this is his off-side but for a PP point shot this works better) PP # 2 Burrows - centre - Hansen Edler - Bieksa We have D-men who can score so there is no point in having 4 forwards. It's a nice theory but it just doesn't work for us. In terms of lines.. Sedin- Sedin - Kassian Hamhuis - BIeksa Burrows - Centre - Kesler Edler - Tanev Booth - Gaunce - Hansen Garrison - Corrado Higgins - Lapierre - Weise Schneider Lack Clearly I am banking on Luongo + package getting us a top 6 centre. Him and Kesler can trade favourable face-offs. which opens Kesler up to taking FO's for other lines without turning him into a workhorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanIsleNuckFan Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 On top of him being one of very few tradable assets with value, he just has not lived up to his potential. I don't really think he will, or he would have by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Our top 9 is possibly the worst in the league, we desperately need to inject 2 grade A forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondamatic Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 GET RID OF HIM NOW WHILE HE IS STILL WORTH SOMETHING! Another year, or even part of a year, while he sh*%ts the bed simply does not fly with me. We need assets added to the huge gaps we have, and he is probably the best piece to command something decent in return (other than Kesler; which, by the way, I would consider moving if the price were right). It's time to stop believing that all Canuck players are okay and we should keep them. Now is the time to shake this team upside down and see what actually falls out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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