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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

I want a top 6 forward as much as the next guy. I was actually against the Roy trade because I would rather have gotten a skilled winger. But you take what you can get. But the thing is, theres no need to ruin that defensive group and punch such a big whole to get a top 6 forward when you can still use other assets to do it. For example, I think a simmonds for Luo deal is a fair deal. Maybe add small adjustments here or there. Some may disagree, but I think that would be a much more effective route.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:07 PM

Our D, hands down, has no one who has proven capable of putting the puck on their stick and lugging it up ice against pressure! Teams laugh at us trying to gain the zone on our PP. They send in fore-checkers and sit in passing lanes looking to pick off the breakout pass. Then hem us in. It leaves teams taking the pressure game to us. That is our problem not physical defensive play; we don't have a guy who can move the puck!

It is also why I posted we were not elite when we landed Garrison. I believe I was proven right? Garrison and Hamhuis are still more than capable one on one defenders.

We are an incomplete crew with massive payroll, $23.7 million in cap space tied up in 5 D. This more than any other area needs re-structuring. But we should be targetting an elite puck moving D prospect, or a Keith Yandle / Mike Green type guy for asset's like Edler and Lou before we worry about the 4th all star forward that some are calling for.

The only problem I have with trading Edler is that he's the only one on our backend who brings the size and the potential for bone crushing hits. Garrison, Hamhuis, Tanev, and Corrado aren't really known for their hitting. That leaves us with Bieksa, (who seems like he's sort of lost his edge lately),Ballard(who will most likely be traded or bought out), and Alberts (who brings size but is prone to taking penalties sometimes). Our blueline lacks a hard hitting presence as well as someone who can rush the puck.

I'd trade Edler if he can fetch us a legit top 6 winger but I think his game can make good improvements under a new coach.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:37 PM

I think Edler would benefit from a new coach who knows how to manage his minutes since he was overplayed imo. AV just kept on rewarding him with more ice time after brutal plays while Ballard was benched and perfectly capable of logging in more minutes if needed.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

I am firmly in the "trade Edler" crowd, for the following reasons:

1) He has been our 3rd best left-side D-man, but is set to become the highest paid.

2) We DESPERATELY need a YOUNG stud forward who can provide offense now and develop into a top-line player. Sedins and Kesler aren't getting any younger. Nobody is going to trade us one without a substantial piece going the other way.

3) Edler is one of the only "substantial pieces" on the team who doesn't have a NTC (yet).

4) Edler is one of the only "substantial pieces" on the team who has two guys on here who already play his position as well or better.

5) We are set to be spending 18.3 million on only left-side D-men next season. Shedding his and Ballard's salary and adding a cheaper option for the 3rd pair will do wonders for our cap problems.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:45 PM

I say keep Ballard and trade Edler. Edler would get a very good return. Instead of buying Ballard out and losing him for nothing why not try him out in a role that he is comfortable in and more suited for under a new coach. He may turn out to be the guy he was supposed to be for this team. I realize that there are many intangibles when it comes to the game, but just based on points IMO if we lose Edler's 40-50 points and replace that with 65-75 from a top winger and maybe get a pick out of it to it's worth it. Ballard can easily get 30-40 if he is used on the PP. Pair him up with Tanev, and with Garrison on the PP. I would also try Corrado with Garrison. Yes I know he is young, and he will make mistakes, but he will gain a lot of experience, and Garrison can also mentor him.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:44 AM

I personally don't understand why everyone wants Edler gone so badly. I understand he did disappoint this year, but so did nearly everyone else. Sedins, Higgins, Lappy, KASSIAN, etc. I actually don't think he was as awful as everyone thinks. Besides, next year Edler will bounce back and be a huge asset. He also already took a paycut because he wants to be here, and next year he's going to be hungry to prove himself. We've seen Edler when he's on his game and he is a monster. 6'3, 215 pounds, he can put up 40 points a season if not more and we have him locked in for 6 years. He will be a huge asset. I also think our d group is pretty solid.

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Tanev
Garrison Corrado

I think this is a pretty good defensive lineup. Each line has at least one impactful shooter but is still reliable defensively. With Tanev Edler should do pretty well. He can also be good on the pp if we pair him up with Garrison. There is really no need to trade him and poke a pretty significant hole in our d when we still have pretty non-useful players who should go. Such as ballard, schroeder, luongo, etc. I say unless we are getting HUGE return with Edler, trading him will be a catastrophic mistake.

This team needs a young center that has potential of being a number one so if Edler can bring that back then do it , We are deep on D and the forward group is aging with out any real top 6 talent on the way up in the prospect pool
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 11:42 AM

I don't want him moved. He did have a rough season but like the OP said most players did. He is however probably the best player that we can trade that would get us the best return. That reason alone I think makes him 'vulnerable' to rumours. Hopefully he'll be like Bieksa, by that I mean come out playing great next season. Bieksa had rumours of trades including him around for about 2 years and in that 3rd year he made sure that was history ;)

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

When does edlers ntc kick in so I dont have to read these stupid trade proposals anymore?

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:14 PM

When does edlers ntc kick in so I dont have to read these stupid trade proposals anymore?


July first I believe. He won't get moved. You can bank on that. If he does, it would be in a huge blockbuster trade. And I maen huge as in we got Nashvilles first round pick in a package deal blockbuster.
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

Edler may be the only guy that can check 6'3 players... the problem is he chooses not to more often than not - and his defensive play sure hasn't been making up for it
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:04 PM

Edler's an allstar from the neck down. The only way we should even consider bringing him back is if we get a coach like Torts who won't let him on the ice unless he learns how to play D.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 02:32 AM

When does edlers ntc kick in so I dont have to read these stupid trade proposals anymore?


July 1st, and im with you on that.

The kid has back surgery after taking Erhoff;s place, posts career points the season before, has everything a team could want. But can be wildly inconsistent. But he is not bad as everyone wants him to be.

It would be a mistake moving him. Im open to moving pieces...but the return has to be a slam dunk to help flesh out the roster to support the top-6.

Kinda silly how the trade Edler train of thought has gained so much unecessary traction.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:09 AM

July 1st, and im with you on that.

The kid has back surgery after taking Erhoff;s place, posts career points the season before, has everything a team could want. But can be wildly inconsistent. But he is not bad as everyone wants him to be.

It would be a mistake moving him. Im open to moving pieces...but the return has to be a slam dunk to help flesh out the roster to support the top-6.

Kinda silly how the trade Edler train of thought has gained so much unecessary traction.

In his "career year" he still managed to only break even on +/- despite all those points. Guy has been nothing but a total liability in his own end for his time here in Vancouver and he hasn't shown signs of improvement. As for the injury, unless Edler is the only member of our species whose brain is located in his back, he can't use it as an excuse for his numerous turnovers.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:58 AM

I don't want him traded at all, but it's not surprising to see the Canucks fan base turn on him.

1) Fans are desperate for change
2) He struggled this year
3) He's the only contract people think that can be moved
4) He has value, a whole lot of it.
5) He has a fairly big contract.

I only don't understand why people think, he's going to be a throw in or traded away for nothing. He gets a lot of undeserved heat, but what do you expect. We are known as a terrible fan base for a reason.

Who gives up on a 27 year defense man, with his skill set. He's still better than most of the guys in the league despite his struggles last year. If the Canucks don't want him, teams will be lining up and if he falls into a team that deals with Edler properly, unlike the Canucks. Then, it's going to bite us in the ass.

I've been saying forever. Get a true puck moving defense man, and not only does it fix the Twins ability to move quicker up the ice. Edler gets back to playing his game. Stupid team has him playing as a puck moving for the past few years because they were too cheap to re-sign Ehrhoff and expected Edler to replace Ehrhoff's point production. The new coach will probably help Edler's game unless it's the management being dumb and telling the coaching staff to use Edler as a puck mover defense man, like they have.

Edler is better off going to Detroit, where he can developed properly and turn into the defense man everyone thought he'd be. This allows the Bieksa fan boys to have a reason to keep Bieksa. Aside from Beiksa, the Defense on the team is soft like butter. Teams love playing against the Canucks cause it doesn't hurt to fore check or go into the zone. One of the many reasons, team has failed to have playoff success. Edler's the only one that can throw a hit to someone that is 6'3+


When he chooses to do so, maybe something to do with the 'back injury' is limiting his hitting options but when he throws his monster hits, it affects how the opposition choose to come into the offensive zone, but like I said, when he choose to hit.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:47 AM

In his "career year" he still managed to only break even on +/- despite all those points. Guy has been nothing but a total liability in his own end for his time here in Vancouver and he hasn't shown signs of improvement. As for the injury, unless Edler is the only member of our species whose brain is located in his back, he can't use it as an excuse for his numerous turnovers.


No matter how i answer, i know you will just keep Edler in your player doghouse.

No doubt Eddie regressed. Of course its related to surgery and lack of a proper rehab time. In retrospect, he probably should have waited.

I reckon you tie his "numerous turnovers" with just flat out sucking. The way i saw it, it was "humourous turnovers", because they were comically (no, not chronically) terrible choices with the puck.

You may not believe this...but he isnt even the #1 turnover blueliner. That distinction goes to Juice. Even Hammer had more turnovers.

PK Subban, Erik Karrlson, Chara, Doughty are some of the name guys with more turnovers than Eddie.

It is simply untrue that he has been a negative factor and "a total liability in his own end for his time here in Vancouver" . If he was, he wouldnt even be here or the NHL.

"he hasn't shown signs of improvement." are also patently false.

Get real. Canuck fans always obsess with moments of poor play with our d-men and conveniently forget to see the other things they bring.

The only problem for me was that he was tentative with his game. Certainly that is tied to health, but we have seen him be deft with the puck and making quick smart choices before this short season.

For sure he is overrated. He still needs some work. Thankfully he is surrounded by some talented d-men he can learn from.

He is pretty good, and the team needs a homegrown player(s) who are on the cusp of taking the next step.

I want to see that here in Vancouver and not somewhere else if he is traded.

This notion of trading homegrown talent away is absolutely insane. I am not interested in purging the players that were drafted and developed here. The club needs their core to stay intact to usher in new blood over time and keep the team competitive for decades.

If you buy into MGs thoughts about using the Wings organization as a model to go by, then you certainly wouldnt trade Edler and prematurely deplete the defensive depth. It was completely stupid to trade Connatuan for a rental that barely fit the needs for the club to win right now with a 48 game season. There was no reason to cripple the future and possibly cripple the defensive prospect pool like that.

So why would you even buy into trading Edler and subtract defence?

There are better trade scenarios available to the club that do not involve trading away drafted and developed talent.


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 06:58 AM

If you have an asset, you don't just trade it away. A season ago, there was some serious Norris talk concerning Edler. He and Peitrangelo were both up there in terms of new, up and coming defencemen. Then he has a real rough playoffs against L.A, a pretty average half-season and another bad playoffs and he's tradeable?

Look at the Cup winners of the last decade. Pretty much all of them had a Norris-winner or Norris-nominee on their blueline. You win in this league nowadays with depth down the middle, good goaltending and 1 star defenceman.

Quite frankly, the Canucks haven't had a top-5 NHL defenceman as far back as I can remember. Ehrhoff finished 9th in Norris trophy voting and of course, going head to head against Chara, guess who came out on top. Guys like Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison and Tanev are all great top-4 defencemen, but they aren't the best in the league, and that's what it takes to win a Cup.

Now Alex Edler still has plenty of potential, and unlike the others, he can still reach that potential if we mould him properly. He's a season off a 49-point, outstanding year, and while he has had 2 brutal playoffs in a row (and a bad abbreviated season), he's still young enough to turn the corner and become one of the league's best.

No disrespect to Tanev or Corrado, but they don't have the potential that Edler does. If the Canucks have a chance at a top defenceman in this league (and therefore a chance at the Cup), it's with Edler. Better to develop him and work with him than trade him away for a depth forward.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:09 AM

If you have an asset, you don't just trade it away. A season ago, there was some serious Norris talk concerning Edler. He and Peitrangelo were both up there in terms of new, up and coming defencemen. Then he has a real rough playoffs against L.A, a pretty average half-season and another bad playoffs and he's tradeable?

Look at the Cup winners of the last decade. Pretty much all of them had a Norris-winner or Norris-nominee on their blueline. You win in this league nowadays with depth down the middle, good goaltending and 1 star defenceman.

Quite frankly, the Canucks haven't had a top-5 NHL defenceman as far back as I can remember. Ehrhoff finished 9th in Norris trophy voting and of course, going head to head against Chara, guess who came out on top. Guys like Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison and Tanev are all great top-4 defencemen, but they aren't the best in the league, and that's what it takes to win a Cup.

Now Alex Edler still has plenty of potential, and unlike the others, he can still reach that potential if we mould him properly. He's a season off a 49-point, outstanding year, and while he has had 2 brutal playoffs in a row (and a bad abbreviated season), he's still young enough to turn the corner and become one of the league's best.

No disrespect to Tanev or Corrado, but they don't have the potential that Edler does. If the Canucks have a chance at a top defenceman in this league (and therefore a chance at the Cup), it's with Edler. Better to develop him and work with him than trade him away for a depth forward.

we are such an impatient fan base. A lot of people forget that nick lidstrom didnt win his first Norris until he was almost 31. Until then he was pretty under the radar.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:14 AM

If you have an asset, you don't just trade it away. A season ago, there was some serious Norris talk concerning Edler. He and Peitrangelo were both up there in terms of new, up and coming defencemen. Then he has a real rough playoffs against L.A, a pretty average half-season and another bad playoffs and he's tradeable?

Look at the Cup winners of the last decade. Pretty much all of them had a Norris-winner or Norris-nominee on their blueline. You win in this league nowadays with depth down the middle, good goaltending and 1 star defenceman.

Quite frankly, the Canucks haven't had a top-5 NHL defenceman as far back as I can remember. Ehrhoff finished 9th in Norris trophy voting and of course, going head to head against Chara, guess who came out on top. Guys like Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison and Tanev are all great top-4 defencemen, but they aren't the best in the league, and that's what it takes to win a Cup.

Now Alex Edler still has plenty of potential, and unlike the others, he can still reach that potential if we mould him properly. He's a season off a 49-point, outstanding year, and while he has had 2 brutal playoffs in a row (and a bad abbreviated season), he's still young enough to turn the corner and become one of the league's best.

No disrespect to Tanev or Corrado, but they don't have the potential that Edler does. If the Canucks have a chance at a top defenceman in this league (and therefore a chance at the Cup), it's with Edler. Better to develop him and work with him than trade him away for a depth forward.


If Gretzky is trade-able so is Edler. ANYONE is trade-able.

All the reasons you mention to keep him are exactly why he has trade value. For about the thirtieth time... this is by no means dictates he for sure should/will be traded but Gillis HAS to look at his options here. That's his job and he'd be remiss if he didn't.

We have depth on D, particularly with LHD. We currently have four LHD that could play in the two, "top four" left side spots. You trade from a position of strength which that clearly is. Hamhuis has an NTC, is a better d-man (despite being smaller), Garrison is not going anywhere after settling in here in the latter half of the season and Ballard has at best moderate value. If MG is going to make a big move all signs point to Edler before his NTC kicks in.

He could be packaged to get us a true #1 D or a straight across for a legitimate top 6 forward to play with Kesler or a top flight prospect ++. Things that might actually improve the overall team balance and/or help with the cap. If moving Edler from a team position of strength improves the overall team, it WILL be done.

That said, if MG doesn't get a worthwhile return that improves the team, he'll stay right where he is and MG (and myself) will be perfectly happy with that. He's still a very good player I'd be happy to have and I'm quite interested to see what a new coaching voice can do with his game. It has nothing to do with people not liking him or throwing him under the bus for "a bad season/two playoffs". It's about what's best for the team.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:46 AM

Edler can be a great defenseman when he wants to be, and he can also be incredibly lame.

His offensive production isn't the problem in my humble opinion. He is an all star because of this, most assuredly.

This issue that I have with him is his defensive play. He just isn't very good in his own end. At least not under the AV regime, which thank the stars is over!

Edler, as of July 5th, 2013, will be the highest paid defenseman on the Vancouver Canucks. He has to bring a level of consistency to his role. He has to be the best all around defenseman to justify his salary.

No more games where he disappears. No more hideous turnovers (while I understand that all players turn the puck over, some of his ...cough, Kopitar, cough...are the stuff of pee wee league). No more watching players enter the crease and doing nothing about it. And especially no stupid hits like his international snafu on Staal.

The question is whether Edler has peaked or whether he is still improving. I can't claim to know, as I merely watch the sport.

However, if this season begins and Edler still is plagued by inconsistency, the new contract should be considered another nail in Gillis' coffin. Unless whomever takes over as head coach benches his ass if he plays lazy.

Let's hope for the best though, huh? Let's hope Edler taps into his inner viking and becomes the defenseman this team desperately needs.

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