BenDrinkin Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Didn't Wayne Gretzky call Schult himself and convince him to join the Oilers? That's enough to make me sign, as a teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Ehrhoff played with a shoulder injury that required he be shot up and yet still outscored Bieksa. So,Ehrhoff was as key as Bieksa ,outscoring him even when not able to hold his stick. It is worth noting your argument is with Bieksa and Ehrhoff,not Edler. Whatever you believe is your own thought train.It is not supported by the success of the team or it's scoring prowess,as demonstrated by facts. Ehrhoff outscored Edler in both years Ehrhoff played here-in the regular season and in the playoffs,when,in fact,Edler played more games but scored less points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupisAll Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Didn't Wayne Gretzky call Schult himself and convince him to join the Oilers? That's enough to make me sign, as a teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Didn't Wayne Gretzky call Schult himself and convince him to join the Oilers? That's enough to make me sign, as a teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 You are leaving out that Bieksa had an injured ligament in his knee, so he was injured as well. Bieksa was a +6 (second highest on the team) compared to Ehrhoff's -13 (lowest on the entire team). Bieksa also scored 60% more goals than Ehrhoff (5 compared to Ehrhoffs 2) including the game 5 OT winner against SJ which sent us to the finals. So given those numbers I think its safe to say that Ehrhoffs 2 extra points didn't make him more influential to our success in our SC run, in fact, Ehrhoff was much worse and some might say he did more harm than good. (Edlers stats were better too, by the way. One extra point doesn't make up for a difference of -9 between their plus minus stats.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 It was not a ligament injury.Kevin suffered a bruised MCL in game 2 of the Finals from a Peverly slash. Ehrhoff was injured in the prior series so played the full Boston series injured. The PP on this team disintegrated after Ehrhoff left and when Salo left it was done like dinner. No PP,no success. So,believing that keeping Bieksa over Ehrhoff was the best move is not matched by success on the PP or in the playoffs.Upon his departure this team went down the hill and is still headed that way. Hamhuis covered Bieksa and his pinching ways.Kevin and his stats sucked big time before Hammer was his partner. Half of CDC and the city of Vancouver wanted to ship him to Toronto or Buffalo,or wherever he would not be seen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Ehrhoff played with a shoulder injury that required he be shot up and yet still outscored Bieksa. So,Ehrhoff was as key as Bieksa ,outscoring him even when not able to hold his stick. It is worth noting your argument is with Bieksa and Ehrhoff,not Edler. Whatever you believe is your own thought train.It is not supported by the success of the team or it's scoring prowess,as demonstrated by facts. Ehrhoff outscored Edler in both years Ehrhoff played here-in the regular season and in the playoffs,when,in fact,Edler played more games but scored less points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Sorry,bud.The San Jose series was not the final. Are you not the guy that put up a 1,000 posts saying how Schroeder was a second liner this year and another 1,000 posts saying Kassian was a first liner ? If it were not for Hamhuis Bieksa may have been shipped out of town. The fact is this team has floundered on the PP and failed to be that top two-top four scoring machine in the entire NHL since Gillis had another brain fart. Eighteenth place this year in goals scored.PP sucked. Bieksa is obviously far more important to this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Sorry,bud.The San Jose series was not the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLions Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 7 GM's tried 6 failed. Therefore 6 got out-GM'd. Is that what you're saying? Seriously a kid has a much better chance at playing on the Oilers than the Canucks with the D-men we have. And he doesn't have to deal with Vancouver 'fans' which is amazingly bad when something goes wrong (even the slighest thing not a young kid choosing an opposition - when it's his decision to begin with!). When something goes right they are great. We looked good back in 2011 and the fans were excited, now every loss is about who is next to leave the team and how we can bring an all-star team while trading our 'scraps'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The Babe Pratt Trophy is an annual award presented to the best defenceman on the Vancouver Canucks of the National Hockey League. One of six annual team awards presented to Canucks players, it is voted by the team fans and is presented at the last home game of the regular season The Babe Pratt Trophy was first awarded for the 1972-73 as the Premier's Trophy. After the death of Hall of Fame defenceman and Canucks goodwill ambassador Babe Pratt, the trophy was renamed in honour of him for the 1989-90. Originally, the trophy's recipient was decided by local media, but is now decided by fan vote. 2009–10 Christian Ehrhoff ] 2010–11 Christian Ehrhoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoLions Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 AV had Frankie Corrado playing and Keith Ballard sitting in the PLAYOFFS. Frankie freakin' Corrado! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The Babe Pratt Trophy is an annual award presented to the best defenceman on the Vancouver Canucks of the National Hockey League. One of six annual team awards presented to Canucks players, it is voted by the team fans and is presented at the last home game of the regular season The Babe Pratt Trophy was first awarded for the 1972-73 as the Premier's Trophy. After the death of Hall of Fame defenceman and Canucks goodwill ambassador Babe Pratt, the trophy was renamed in honour of him for the 1989-90. Originally, the trophy's recipient was decided by local media, but is now decided by fan vote. 2009–10 Christian Ehrhoff ] 2010–11 Christian Ehrhoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ehrhoff was also -20 during the playoff run while Bieksa was a key player during our run on both special teams units and especially 5 on 5. It is also worth noting Edler was on pace to outscore Ehrhoff that year and he outscored him the following 2 seasons. Bieksa was way more valuable to us during the run & we have edler who is scoring at the same clip. Both Bieksa & Ehrhoff were vital pieces of this team but I would say Bieksa is/was more imporant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ha ha...still yapping about Erhoff and he's not been in a Canuck uni for some time now. Looks like the team isn't as good now, but then, nor is Erhoff. With Vanek supposedly leaving the Sabres and Pominville gone, he will only have Coho to pass to. His career will suffer in the upcoming years, but I guess he'll be happy with all the $$$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ehrhoff was also a +36 in 2009/2010. I guess that made him the second best d-man in the league (behind the great Jeff Schultz) . Plus/Minus is a bogus stat. The Canucks have done quite well without him though. They won the Presidents Trophy and finished 4th in the league in the powerplay that one year. Oh, and they had a solid 1 win in the playoffs over the past 2 years as well. Not bad at all.The Sedins have been just as good since Ehrhoff has left as well. Still contending for the Art Ross and Hart each year... That must all be mere coincidence though. In all honesty, the second that the Canucks decided that they weren't going to replace Ehrhoff, the team was finished. Ehrhoff wasn't the most vital piece on the team, but what he brought changed this team from a pretender to a contender. Now they're back to being a pretender once again. Until the Canucks realize that they won't even have a glimpse at the Stanley Cup without a puck-moving defenseman, they will continue to struggle and use garbage excuses such as poor coaching, psychological pain and injuries. But no worries, Kevin Bieksa is still on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So what you are saying is... Ehrhoff is the reason (not having him) is the reason we werent as good as we were in 10/11... Just not buying it dude. +/- isn't always the most telling stat. But it counts for something, and in the playoffs I think it is an even better indicator. Once again, we have puck movers, we have offensive guys, there has been alot more wrong with this team than just missing Ehrhoff. Infact the PP was still very good after he left for most of 11/12. Losing Ehrhoff wasn't the issue with this team. And yes Bieksa was the much better choice to keep at the time, by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Top 2 and Top 4 in the NHL for goals with Salo and Ehrhoff moving pucks to men that are paid to score. Keeping Bieksa was fine but Gillis stating Ehrhoff had to accept Bieksa dollars was a typical Gillis conclusion. Sadly,he has as much a clue about the D and PP and their success as some here at CDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 ^^ Can't see that avatar of yours nuck nit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Ehrhoff isn't the reason, not replacing Ehrhoff is the reason. The Canucks don't have any decent puck-movers on their defense with the exception of maybe Ballard, and that's a stretch. Edler can't move the puck worth anything, he does have a good shot though. The Canucks can worry about hits and +/- but last time I checked, you have to outscore your opponents to win games, and Ehrhoff led all d-men in points in the playoffs. I might have missed the memo on that one though. It must have been a coincidence that after Kaberle left Boston, the Bruins lost in the first round to the Caps and nearly lost to Toronto. As soon as they added a solid puck-moving d-man in Torey Krug, they sweep Pittsburgh and kill the Rangers, going 8-1 in that stretch. Pure coincidence though. Is the excuse momentum, toughness or that Pittsburgh and the Rangers are a worse team than Toronto? The Canucks need a solid puck-moving defenseman. I've said it since day 1 that the problem wasn't Ehrhoff solely, but not finding a replacement. I like the excuses these past two years though (Injuries, AV, Complete Psychological Trauma). I'm guessing that next year the excuse will be the loss of Luongo. The year after that will be the coach once again. If the Canucks want to win, they get a puck-moving defenseman. If they don't want to, stick with the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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