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#1 Cpt_scary

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:12 AM

the following is an article from Damien Cox on the CHL's decision to ban import goalies due to the lack of "elite" goaltenders canada is producing. if you ask me this is a completely stupid protectionist policy that will not fix canada's problem.. to be the best you gotta compete with the best.

The door is shutting on puckstoppers from Europe.

Within four years or less, there will be no more European goalies playing major junior hockey in Canada and the U.S. after the CHL officially moved to make goaltenders ineligible to be selected in the league’s import draft starting next year.

As reported 10 days ago by the Star, the three junior leagues — OHL, QMJHL and WHL — agreed on the drastic move amidst concerns that Canadian goalies simply are being squeezed out of opportunities in major junior and the country is developing fewer and fewer elite netminders.

The change was officially announced Monday night at the OHL’s “Protect the Net” symposium, a gathering designed to address the “crisis” in Canadian goaltending, specifically in Ontario.

For the 2013 CHL import draft, import goalies can be selected by any of the 60 teams only in the first round, and those goalies plus others currently playing in the league can play out their full junior eligibility.

Starting in 2014, import goalies will be banned from the draft, and will have no other way to become eligible to play in the CHL. The current limit of two imports per CHL team won’t change, but ultimately those roster spots will belong to only forwards or defencemen.

The concern about Canadian goaltenders exists at all levels. All three finalists for the NHL’s Vezina Trophy this season are Europeans, while a Canadian hasn’t been the first goalie selected in the NHL draft in five years. Of the four Memorial Cup finalists, only Halifax, the eventual champion, started a Canadian goalie, and Russia’s Andrei Makarov of the Saskatoon Blades was the tournament’s outstanding goalie.

The top goalie in the CHL this season, meanwhile, was from the Czech Republic.

“For me, it’s all about opportunity,” Ron Tugnutt, a former NHL goalie and Hockey Canada consultant, told The Star on May 30. “There’s nothing wrong with goalies in our country and there’s nothing wrong with how we’re developing them. They’re just not getting a chance to step up to the plate.”
The OHL goalie symposium continues Tuesday and is expected to make other recommendations aimed at boosting the development of goalies in the province


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:14 AM

Wow. That's pretty silly and likely wont even make a difference. Does John Gibson get kicked out of the OHL then?

Edited by Joffrey Lupul, 11 June 2013 - 09:14 AM.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

Sounds like Don Cherry had a lot of input in this decision.

He talked about this.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:17 AM

Wow. That's pretty silly and likely wont even make a difference. Does John Gibson get kicked out of the OHL then?

the ban only extends to european goalies not americans... but yeah it's pretty stupid
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:22 AM

the Q' used to be a factory for Canadian NHL goalies.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

I remember talking about this a while back, thought it was on CDC. Basically the number of Canadian goalies is already a high enough percentage this will have little to no impact.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

I remember talking about this a while back, thought it was on CDC. Basically the number of Canadian goalies is already a high enough percentage this will have little to no impact.

exactly though.. if this is going to have little to no impact then why stop the best european goalies from playing in the chl.

If hockey canada wants better goalies they need to put more effort into developing them from age 12-19/20
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:37 AM

This is so dummmmb. The best player deserves to play.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:40 AM

Wow. That's pretty silly and likely wont even make a difference. Does John Gibson get kicked out of the OHL then?

import draft selects players from outside of north america... that's the only thing that's being affected. also, it's only of new goalies, not existing one.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:42 AM

this is really dumb, they should focus on training, not on exclusion.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:45 AM

this is really dumb, they should focus on training, not on exclusion.

its very silly. Subban is the starter for the bulls isnt he? Maybe Canadian goalies should perform better. Its not as if they handed these import goalies the job. All goalie jobs are up for grabs imo. Look at Viktor fasth or whatever this year.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:16 AM

what a joke
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:43 AM

I'm happy, it makes sense.

CANADIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE, why should we help produce other countries hockey players.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:04 AM

Some horrible decisions are made by the people who run sports organizations, i suppose that is why they aren't running universities, libraries or law schools....
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:05 AM

I'm happy, it makes sense.

CANADIAN HOCKEY LEAGUE, why should we help produce other countries hockey players.

WHat team do you own? I had no idea our cdc members were that high up in the world of hockey! Oh wait..do you mean 'we' as in the fans? dah i should have known...you have some input because you read the score in the paper....dang.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:14 PM

This is pathetic for Canadians. This is pretty much saying Canadians suck at goaltending, so we won't let the good ones play in our league. Accept the fact that other countries are producing great talent and Canada is not superior in hockey anymore. Like a kid that always loses, and then doesn't let the other kids that win play.

This is a childish and embarrassing move for the CHL.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:03 PM

That is embaressing.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:56 PM

I like this, but not for the reasons people are talking about. I could care less about giving Canadian players an advantage, nor do I worry that Europeans are stealing spots from 'our boys'.

To me, this makes every bit of sense when you look at the situation in the NHL today. The goalie pool is overflowing right now, good young goalies are popping up every year, and much more frequently than before. The talent level of goalies has also completely changed the NHL compared to the stand-up goaltending days.

The CHL, being the primary junior level development league for the NHL, needs to make sure it is helping to strengthen the NHL product. The fact is that Euro players were brought to North America because they were good, really good, and they increased the talent pool, both at the pro and junior level. Right now, however, that isn't the case. We have more than enough good young Canadian and US goalies that can make the CHL competitive, and then move on to the NHL and provide quality goaltending at that level. So adding Euro goalies does not increase the talent pool, which was the original reason to bring them over.

We have also seen that in recent years, the jump from a Euro league to NHL is getting easier for goaltenders. It used to be a nightmare for a player to try to come over, hence it was much better for them to come over as a junior, but that advantage doesn't exist anymore, there is no harm in a goaltender of elite talent honing their skills in Europe and then still making the NHL, whereas in the past that elite talent would have been somewhat wasted in Europe and perhaps not developed enough for them to make the NHL.

On top of all that, this can only help to improve the situation in Europe, where some countries are finding a hard time keeping their talent even at a young age, leagues like the Czech and Slovak Extraligas have gone south in a hurry. Why is everyone complaining how this is unfair to Euros when they stand to benefit the most, given they will have better hockey to watch and better competition to play against with this ban. Everybody wins!

Edited by LostViking, 11 June 2013 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:09 PM

This is idiotic. I'd take Bartosak over any young Canadian goalie, which is probably the reason why they're doing this. Still it's watering down the competition, and it's a stretch to call the CHL the best junior league if they're choosing not to ice the best players.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:21 PM

Absolutely retarded move by the CHL
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:03 PM

I like this, but not for the reasons people are talking about. I could care less about giving Canadian players an advantage, nor do I worry that Europeans are stealing spots from 'our boys'.

To me, this makes every bit of sense when you look at the situation in the NHL today. The goalie pool is overflowing right now, good young goalies are popping up every year, and much more frequently than before. The talent level of goalies has also completely changed the NHL compared to the stand-up goaltending days.

The CHL, being the primary junior level development league for the NHL, needs to make sure it is helping to strengthen the NHL product. The fact is that Euro players were brought to North America because they were good, really good, and they increased the talent pool, both at the pro and junior level. Right now, however, that isn't the case. We have more than enough good young Canadian and US goalies that can make the CHL competitive, and then move on to the NHL and provide quality goaltending at that level. So adding Euro goalies does not increase the talent pool, which was the original reason to bring them over.

We have also seen that in recent years, the jump from a Euro league to NHL is getting easier for goaltenders. It used to be a nightmare for a player to try to come over, hence it was much better for them to come over as a junior, but that advantage doesn't exist anymore, there is no harm in a goaltender of elite talent honing their skills in Europe and then still making the NHL, whereas in the past that elite talent would have been somewhat wasted in Europe and perhaps not developed enough for them to make the NHL.

On top of all that, this can only help to improve the situation in Europe, where some countries are finding a hard time keeping their talent even at a young age, leagues like the Czech and Slovak Extraligas have gone south in a hurry. Why is everyone complaining how this is unfair to Euros when they stand to benefit the most, given they will have better hockey to watch and better competition to play against with this ban. Everybody wins!


for the most part agree with you... but I do think we will see the majority of the would be euro CHL goalies actually come over to play in the USHL instead of stay in europe and end up either playing in a worse (than the USHL) junior league or backing up an experienced older goalie on their pro team in europe
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:28 PM

I personally think this is ridiculous, and really unfair for European goalies who wish to come and play in the CHL.
I think a better idea (if the CHL really felt like they needed to do something about this) would have been to count a goalie as both of a teams European players on their roster. So a team could either have 2 Euro skaters, or 1 Euro goalie.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:14 PM

CHL only allowed about 1/10 of a team's skater roster to be Euro, to protect the development opportunities of the NA skaters. Makes sense that they don't want 1/2 of the goalies to be, for the same reasons.

And with goalies, it is magnified, as 1/2 usually gets 0:00 minutes of ice time.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:17 PM

The CHL will regret this...
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:17 PM

By the way, some people seem to be confusing the CHL with the NHL.

The CHL's main goal is to develop North American ice hockey players. If it was simply to be the best damn Junior ice hockey on the planet, they wouldn't have import restrictions in the first place.
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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

Seems like a desperate and idiotic move by hockey Canada to me.
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:09 PM

I can see the CHL's point but at the same time you need to play the best to be the best. Your just gonna keep the Europeans in Europe and lessen the chance of them coming over to North America

I'm sure the NHL teams have an "silent" opinion as it would take longer for European goalies to adjust to the NHL game unless they played in the AHL, USHL etc.

Plus I agree with what Don Cherry said(a first for me) that teams will just use the import slots on d-men and forwards taking roster spots from "elite" players in those positions.
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:25 PM

Not the lack of goalies that are elite, simply euro goalie's are better
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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:41 PM

I have no issue with this.

There are only 120 jobs for goalies in the CHL which is disproportionately small compated to forwards and defense. Our kids need to play against the best competitors they can face to improve. Goalies out of the USHL and college rarely make it. ( Schneider and Quick... I know, I know.)

Imports are fine and it doesn't lower the import bar as teams still get to bring in two.

Call me a dinosaur but I still think of the CHL as being for Canadians. Goalies, and their families, had it the hardest and this is a small measure. It may not mean much to you but for those 3 or 4 kids it's huge.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:14 PM

works for me. means there will be better goaltending in the USHL :P
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