Edlerberry Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 If the flames value their picks so low maybe we can get their #6 off them for our 1st and Raymond's rights lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Not disagreeing with you on most of your points, but just because we tend to have a different opinion doesn't make us delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlsson`s Flo Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I don't get it. After all he picks they've squandered on trades in the past this is the best scenario for any team wanting to rebuild. It makes no sense to give all that up. Especially with the divisions changing next season and Calgary facing much tougher competition in our division next year. The only reason I can see Feaster doing this is because Flames ownership have lost their face of the franchise in Iglina and need a new face to market to sell tickets and a 1st overall pick is much better to sell then a few good pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 LOL gold! pick a side and stick with it de niro... makes you look dumber than you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmanVan Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Would you rather have Crosby and nothing else, or Neal, Letang, Sutter and no Crosby? Not saying 1st overall will turn into Crosby, its just a dumb move for a re-build. Keep the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Wow, between you and Django, you almost have a full brain. I never denied saying that. Even though it was partially sarcasm, something I'm sure you don't understand. If you had read my posts after that comment, I went on to say it was unlikely he becomes as good as Crosby. But keep trying to derail the thread, and divert attention away from the boneheaded decisions Feaster is making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 I've already spent a page arguing my point, too bad you can't comprehend the importance of a first line center or the hit-and-miss nature of the draft. Right now just making fun of your hypocrisy as always using insults to make yourself feel better because you have nothing to argue back, now THAT'S gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 And what was your point exactly? You haven't really made one? You still have yet to provide any evidence that Mackinnon is worth more than 3 first round picks. You know why? Because you can't. Because it's all based on your belief that Mackinnon will be a clear cut franchise centerman. Making an argument based on that assumption isn't a very good one. My point on the other hand was that having 3 picks in a deep draft can fill more holes for Calgary this draft, than trading them all for one player will. You can argue that all you want, but it's true. You know the reason why Buffalo can make the offer they did? Becuase they have a deep prospect pool. The flames on the other hand have a very thin prospect pool. That's why they should be re-stocking while they can. Pretty sure I've used more common sense in this argument than you have. Saying Jankowski was a 1st round pick (despite him being ranked 43rd among NA skaters). Claiming Baertschi will be a PPG player next year because he was for a stretch of games at the end of this season. Claiming Stamkos is easily worth more than Hodgson, Eberle, and Voynov. It's not hard to argue back with statements like these. And I believe you were the first one to toss an insult by calling me a "mini scout" (which you've now deleted). So don't talk to me about insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drouin Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Lol! MacKinnon or Jones will be awesome, but they could get a gem. + 6th isn't bad, ontop of that, 2 more 1sts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Just because Calgary has those late 1sts doesn't mean they'll use them well. Maybe they don't trust themselves to get something decent after taking Jankowski last year. Calgary ownership is tight with Bettman (see lockout). Given Jones is likely to figure prominently in the NHL's marketing to African-Americans, it';s very likely that whoever gets him will get some favourable calls (assuming Calgary can ever make the playoffs, which doubtful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 While I think Calgary is better off using all 3 picks to stock the system, I don't think this is as bad of a move as many think. As an example, back in 2003 (arguably the best draft in history) LAK had 3 first. You would think that they would have gotten at least 2 solid players out of it, but the players they selected were Dustin Brown (13th), Brian Boyle (26th) and Jeff Tambellini (27th). That said Calgary has some better picks than LAK, so a better chance to get a few better players, but if you can grab a player with a 90% chance of being a your next franchise player, rather that 3 that have a 60% chance to just make the NHL, I would go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I don't see why people are saying this is so bad. If so, Colorado would have taken the deal. You're talking about about obtaining a franchise player for a a pretty good pick and then two 50/50 shots. Even if two of those guys end up playing in the NHL the Flames most likely still have the better deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 so everyone is on here ripping Calgary for this offer, yet no one is asking how the Avs could be so dumb as to not take it. personally, I'd do what I need to do to get MacKinnon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Haha, what are they thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Bank Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Would you rather have Crosby and nothing else, or Neal, Letang, Sutter and no Crosby? Not saying 1st overall will turn into Crosby, its just a dumb move for a re-build. Keep the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 so everyone is on here ripping Calgary for this offer, yet no one is asking how the Avs could be so dumb as to not take it. personally, I'd do what I need to do to get MacKinnon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Can't beleive how many people think this would have been a bad deal for Calgary. The reality is Colorado would be crazy to give up on a near sure star in Jones/Mackinnon for 3 later picks. The EhroffEffects post says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
votrechien Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Look at the history of 20-30th draft picks. You get 1-3 solid players from those picks at most. Calgary could fluke out and end up getting 3 studs, but more than likely they'll be lucky to get one good players, opposed to the 1st overall which is almost guaranteed to be a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Calgary needs to keep all three picks IMO. Or what they could do, is package two of the three picks (6th+27th, 6th+22nd, 22nd+27th etc) along with a roster player or two and a prospect for the first. For example: To Calgary: 2013 1st overall pick To Colorado: Michael Backlund, Cory Sarich, Akim Ailu, 2013 6th + 27th overall With that they can get Mackinnon as well as another solid player with 22. Even though the value is probably off you guys get what I mean right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 Can't beleive how many people think this would have been a bad deal for Calgary. The reality is Colorado would be crazy to give up on a near sure star in Jones/Mackinnon for 3 later picks. The EhroffEffects post says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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