hockey21383 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Hey, if Bieksa wants to be traded just because of Torts, then screw him. It would actually be a good thing because we need to free up some salary and we'd be able to get something good for Juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deized_kanuck604 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Because Higgins seems to have matured a lot since then and works hard, while last year's Bieksa was lazy, terrible defensively, and spoke out against hiring a coach that would make our defensive liabilities accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I hope Bieksa can bring back his game. If the coaches have a brain they will reunite him with Hamhuis and let Bieksa fight more. Bieksa is at his best when he's physical and engaged emotionally. Our blueline needs more tenacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 AV didn't tell Bieksa to stop fighting. He simply told him he didn't have to fight everybody that looked at him wrong. He was told he was more valuable on the ice than in the box for five minutes needlessly and to do a better job of selecting when to fight. As much as I like a good fight it's something I agree with completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 This is true. I do think that Bieksa/AV went too far to the other extreme though because I think Bieksa is actually a better player and gets more engaged in games as a whole when he fights a bit more often than he has been. I have a tough time believing though that Bieksa would have decided on his own not to stand up for the Sedins at some of those times when they got taken advantage of. I think he was on the ice for the Keith incident and in the finals against boston he did not seem to engage them much at all. I for one am hoping we see him get back a bit of that mean streak. We have the other D on this team to cover for him while he is in the box for 5 minutes for keeping the other teams a bit more honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 This is true. I do think that Bieksa/AV went too far to the other extreme though because I think Bieksa is actually a better player and gets more engaged in games as a whole when he fights a bit more often than he has been. I have a tough time believing though that Bieksa would have decided on his own not to stand up for the Sedins at some of those times when they got taken advantage of. I think he was on the ice for the Keith incident and in the finals against boston he did not seem to engage them much at all. I for one am hoping we see him get back a bit of that mean streak. We have the other D on this team to cover for him while he is in the box for 5 minutes for keeping the other teams a bit more honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 He was on the ice for the Keith elbow. But I don't think he even saw it. he was following the puck in the air and went in on a scoring opportunity when the whistle went. Burrow, one of the most useless fighters on the team, was first to Keith and really did nothing more than push him. Bieksa tried to get at him but by that point he had another player on him and the ref holding him back from Keith. When Marchand upended Daniel it was Ehrhoff and Ballard on the ice and when Marchand was punching Daniel it was Rome and Salo on the ice. Those types of incidents really need to be taken care of when they happen. The problem is the opposition players immediately pair off to protect the guy in these types of incidents so it requires guys, Bieksa in this case, to be the one with the clear line to be there first. Otherwise it's just a wrestling match trying to get at the offending player. And going after him after the fact simply opens you up to instigator and game misconduct penalties. Not desirable for one of your top four d-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Anyone bashing Bieksa and his play should quickly check the Canucks record this past year when he wasn't in the lineup. He is WAY more important and beneficial to this team than he gets credit for. But this is CDC the land where the barely capable of keeping their job, horrible defenders who contribute next to nothing cough BALLARD cough are praised while talented defenders like Bieksa, Edler and Garrison are due for a lynching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I personally love Kevin Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 The possible suspension/game misconduct/penalty etc. would have been 110% worth it on Keith if you ask me. The message sent there was that the Canucks would not stick up for their own star players. It only reinforced the impression everyone had after the Boston series. At least with the Marchand one Ballard stepped up to the plate. Rome for all his supposed toughness did nothing. I know the team was told to tone down the after the whistle stuff but really Bieksa needs to play with that edge. I would rather him do that and sacrifice a few minutes of ice time in the penalty box than never engage anyone so the coach can make sure he gets his 23 minutes of ice every game. It severely limits a big part of what makes him effective if you ask me. If there were other guys on the Canucks who could do that then it would take some of that off of him but there really aren't. Weise is a pansy and Sestito sucks at fighting. Plus you never want them out against anyone of value on the other team. Against Boston SOMEONE (not necessarily only Bieksa) needed to step up and say enough is enough. Ballard was the only Dman who did anything and considering he didn't play much that is pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Edit: I apologize, i must have being yelling at the media and didn't read properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagin Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 This could apply to our whole team, other then kassian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahf149 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Edler doesn't even deserve the chance to see how he does under Torts. Really hope Gillis finds a sucker to give up something useful for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahf149 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It doesn't get worse than 0-4 in the playoffs though.......that is why you don't pay a supposedly groin injured guy 27 minutes. I agree though that Bieksa will be just fine with Torts. He is a player that could use some tough love but overall he will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Umm, not making the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I believe that Kevin might turn crybaby here. I selected the summer trade option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Torts hasn't been hired yet..... at least that is what I am telling myself right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Maybe it's time for the old Bieksa to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostdivision Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Where is the option that he will improve and finally be held accountable for bad/lazy play in his own zone, tough love will help bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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