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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:39 PM

I like how one of the things Gillis wanted in a coach was someone who can deal with the media. Yet, Gillis provides probably the worst interviews of any GM in the league. He never provides any information that isn't already out there. I'm not saying this is a good/bad strategy, I just think that if you are going to preach these qualities in a coach, you should probably practice these qualities yourself.


Yeah, he has the personality of spoiled vinegar, but what is he supposed to say? I don't want him tipping his hand. Other GMs listen, too, and it does the Canucks no good to say they're targetting certain players, or even positions. It reverses any leverage Gillis has, and he's got very little this off-season to begin with.

That's why I avoid these "information" interviews like the plague. Better to just check with the sports media updates once in a while.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:50 PM

for f**k sake Gillis if you can't move Luongo move SCHNEIDER. We have to get something in return.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:52 PM

I don't believe anyone would claim Luongo on waivers... it just wouldn't be worth it.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

I don't believe anyone would claim Luongo on waivers... it just wouldn't be worth it.


Luo WONT go on waivers. His NTC makes it his choice to go on waivers or go straight to buyout. He'd be crazy to allow waivers because he loses control of where he lands as well as loses the opportunity to make more $$ via buyout + new contract as FA.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:03 PM

Luo WONT go on waivers. His NTC makes it his choice to go on waivers or go straight to buyout. He'd be crazy to allow waivers because he loses control of where he lands as well as loses the opportunity to make more $$ via buyout + new contract as FA.


Nope. That would be a NMC not a NTC.

He can't be traded. He can be waived.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:04 PM

"We've had and still having lots of discussion with Luongo with multiple teams, which teams, I won't tell you, but we have active dialogue everyday" (load of BS)


I'm not an anti Gillis guy by any means but this is embarrassing. There is no dialogue outside of the Canucks organization.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:06 PM

I'm not an anti Gillis guy by any means but this is embarrassing. There is no dialogue outside of the Canucks organization.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:08 PM

I don't know, trading down my not be the worst thing to do if we can get two picks early in the 30s.

Looking at the order though, there isn't a team that currently fits that bill. ( Sorry, wrong, Mtl at 34th and 36th)

I would flip our 24th for CBJ's 27th and 44th though. That would make sense for us.

Maybe with Dallas at 29th and 40th.


If Morrissey isn't available, I would do the Columbus deal in a heartbeat and select Klimchuk with the 27th and Jacob de-la-Rose or Justin Bailey with the 44th.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:11 PM

If Morrissey isn't available, I would do the Columbus deal in a heartbeat and select Klimchuk with the 27th and Jacob de-la-Rose or Justin Bailey with the 44th.


Honestly, Morrissey is a guy I would stay away from. He has far too many bad games to be a worthwhile gamble. He has the skills but he only shows up half the time. Sometimes he can throw a decent hit and sometimes he is the softest player on the blue line.

Klimchuk I love. Best skater in the WHL draft class.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:40 PM

I don't believe anyone would claim Luongo on waivers... it just wouldn't be worth it.


How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that?

The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:42 PM

Your insight and exclusive access to the Canuck's war room is highly valued.


MG can say he has active dialogue with a # of teams, which could mean something substantial, or could mean as little as he calling other GM's and making suggestions. He's in a tough spot and throughout the "process" (gulp) of the last 14 months has whittled away any leverage he may once have had. As Torts would say, he's made his own bed.
Ownership likely gave him a mulligan on Luongo, time will tell if he has any left.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:45 PM

MG can say he has active dialogue with a # of teams, which could mean something substantial, or could mean as little as he calling other GM's and making suggestions. He's in a tough spot and throughout the "process" (gulp) of the last 14 months has whittled away any leverage he may once have had. As Torts would say, he's made his own bed.
Ownership likely gave him a mulligan on Luongo, time will tell if he has any left.


Oh, completely.

But what you just wrote is balanced and thought out.

What Me_/CH101/GHL writes is grounded in absolutes and he suggests he is the only one who understands what is going on.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:31 PM

No! Please don't trade our 1st for 2nd round picks. The first round is the only round we've been consistent in.

And he's talking to teams about Luongo? You don't say?


Most players in the NHL come from the first round. We should keep that pick, our scouts haven't shown enough savvy to turn 2 second rounders into anything.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

Wow I could only imagine now how annoying the melding of this visage and the voice would be.


Matt Sekeres is a jerk,,,he has had on air fights with numerous sports guys on 1040,,his opinion is the law...and you are so right about his nasally voice..cant stand the guy.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:08 PM

How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that?

The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him.

The thing Gillis needs to do is remember why he gave him that contract. Roberto Luongo IS an asset. He is an asset to almost any team in this league. Gillis needs to accept this, and fix what he's done.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that?

The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him.


Basically we should just agree to eat half of his contract on a trade and be done with it. Cheaper than a buyout and we can still get a good asset back that way.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 04:50 PM

Basically we should just agree to eat half of his contract on a trade and be done with it. Cheaper than a buyout and we can still get a good asset back that way.


Yup that or buyout RDP from NYI or some similar option...
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:02 PM

Yup that or buyout RDP from NYI or some similar option...


Yeah it sucks we got burned in the new CBA but it's a business. They pushed the cap many a time and got pinched. Pay the fine and move on.

The negotiations knew that teams would be in tight because of the new regulations. They created the new money exchange as a financial tool to be compliant. Use it!

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:29 PM

How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that?

The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him.


I would not be surprised if no one claimed him for the simple fact that after all that has been done in regards to this situation by the Canucks and Gillis, if they waive him they are telling the world they have to get rid of him one way or the other. If no one claims him, they will be buying him out. So those GM's would very likely just sit back and wait and take their chances signing him for cheaper. PR-wise it would be a huge win for the GM that gets him. With so many goalies apparently available it is low risk for the GM's who need a veteran starting guy to wait Gillis out on this one.

I would not be entirely shocked if someone did claim him but I think it would be unlikely.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:33 PM

Luo WONT go on waivers. His NTC makes it his choice to go on waivers or go straight to buyout. He'd be crazy to allow waivers because he loses control of where he lands as well as loses the opportunity to make more $$ via buyout + new contract as FA.


NTC doesn't give you the option to choose whether you want to go on waivers or not.

That's a No Movement Clause and Luongo doesn't have one.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:37 PM

How do you figure? Borderline HOF goalie, gold medal winner, perennial top 10 goalie with a reasonable cap hit. The term length is long but I still have yet to hear a convincing argument as to why that is any sort of a meaningful issue. He instantly makes almost any team better in net. You telling me there's not one other GM out there that would take that?

The problem seems to be that GM's don't want to give up other assets and/or want a bad contract coming back via trade. If they could get him for free, someone would jump at it just to ensure they get him.


I think the problem is the following.

1. No dispute with talent level

2. Issue is contract term - not cap hit

3. Precedent has now been set in the NHL. You have a bad contract, buy it out, no one will take it. Bryz, Lecavalier, Briere buyouts have pretty much set the table for Gillis. He waited too long and lost in his game of 'chicken' with the rest of the league. Those teams certainly tried to move those players first and clearly the rest of the league is saying nope, don't want that contract, thanks but no thanks, I don't care how good he is. Unless he's malkin, stamkos, crosby, sorry. That's just the market dynamic now.

4. MG had to realize, while he may value something highly, if the buyer isn't willing to pay the price you're asking, if you don't understand your own negotiation position, you will not sell your asset.

5. As per 3 above, my worry is now he will wait again, miss the buyout window, be forced to trade schnieds and by that point, teams will have addressed their goaltending issues and therefore he'll get even less than what we expect for a schnieder deal.

6. The man is useless and I am starting to think, stupid.

Edited by BuretoMogilny, 28 June 2013 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:39 PM

I think the problem is the following.

1. No dispute with talent level

2. Issue is contract term - not cap hit

3. Precedent has now been set in the NHL. You have a bad contract, buy it out, no one will take it. Bryz, Lecavalier, Briere buyouts have pretty much set the table for Gillis. He waited too long and lost in his game of 'chicken' with the rest of the league.

4. MG had to realize, while he may value something highly, if the buyer isn't willing to pay the price you're asking, if you don't understand your own negotiation position, you will not sell your asset.

5. As per 3 above, my worry is now he will wait again, miss the buyout window, be forced to trade schnieds and by that point, teams will have addressed their goaltending issues and therefore he'll get even less than what we expect for a schnieder deal.

6. The man is useless and I am starting to think, stupid.


He made a mistake but that makes him stupid? If you're the general manager of an NHL team, you're not stupid... (Unless you're Feaster). GM's make mistakes all the time, and people have to wonder what say Gilman/Aquilini had in the decision not to move him too. The blame doesn't all rest on him.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:43 PM

He made a mistake but that makes him stupid? If you're the general manager of an NHL team, you're not stupid... (Unless you're Feaster). GM's make mistakes all the time, and people have to wonder what say Gilman/Aquilini had in the decision not to move him too. The blame doesn't all rest on him.


he's stupid. he's a lawyer, he should understand negotiation position.

he failed to think forward about how a new cba (and likely lower cap) would impact players with significant contracts/back diving etc...this was known there would be changes

he failed to understand the mess he would create in his locker room

he is not very 'forward thinking'

you tell me, is this team better positioned for the short/medium/long term, than it was 3 years ago or worse?

its worse...he's made stupid moves, and therefore, that makes one 'stupid'
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:40 PM

I think ownership is watching MG closely to see how he gets himself out of this one. If Gillis loses Luongo without getting anything back, he will probably get fired or resign. The ramifications from this are too big and he will pay with his job if it isn't handled well. The Aquillini's probably have their eyes on a replacement GM as we speak.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:58 PM

I think ownership is watching MG closely to see how he gets himself out of this one. If Gillis loses Luongo without getting anything back, he will probably get fired or resign. The ramifications from this are too big and he will pay with his job if it isn't handled well. The Aquillini's probably have their eyes on a replacement GM as we speak.


I think he's done.

He really messed this deal up and given very good / comparable (abeit different position) players in Briere and Lecavalier have been bought out the gm's of the league are showing the 'expectations/new house rules'...that being, bad contracts are bought out bc no one wants them, no matter how good the player.

MG screwed up again.and the idea of compounding that error by trading schnieds is pure stupidity. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

MG will never get another job as a gm after how he has systematically handcuffed this organization with bad trades/contracts. Almost as bad as what Ferguson did to the leafs.

Ballard
Booth
Timing of Coho
Keeping Raymond over Grabner
Lou
Never finding a 2nd line player
Roy
Not filling our Center holes

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:06 PM

I think he's done.

He really messed this deal up and given very good / comparable (abeit different position) players in Briere and Lecavalier have been bought out the gm's of the league are showing the 'expectations/new house rules'...that being, bad contracts are bought out bc no one wants them, no matter how good the player.

MG screwed up again.and the idea of compounding that error by trading schnieds is pure stupidity. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

MG will never get another job as a gm after how he has systematically handcuffed this organization with bad trades/contracts. Almost as bad as what Ferguson did to the leafs.

Ballard
Booth
Timing of Coho
Keeping Raymond over Grabner
Lou
Never finding a 2nd line player
Roy
Not filling our Center holes

Yep, you're absolutely right and I agree, he's as good as gone. Any replacement candidates come to mind?
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:07 PM

If Gillis doesn't move/buy-out/waive Luongo by the draft. Then he can sign his papers and get on the next plane out of here. This farce has gone on long enough. If the "reset" turns out to be just more of the same posturing I will be extremely disappointed. If Gillis trades down and potentially misses out on a top end talent which this team sorely lacks in the prospect deparment. We have Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Frank Corrado and Jordan Schroeder but none of those prospects really have top line ceiling at this point.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:52 PM

Your insight and exclusive access to the Canuck's war room is highly valued.


Meanwhile,a full year later nothing has happened.Gilis looks like a genius,doesn't he?
One does not have to be a rocket scientist to understand Gillis should not have isolated Luo and any logical GM would not have ever announced he was throwing him under the team bus and onto the trade block.
Talk about laughing stock.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:02 PM

Yep, you're absolutely right and I agree, he's as good as gone. Any replacement candidates come to mind?

Mark Hunter.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:11 PM

If Gillis doesn't move/buy-out/waive Luongo by the draft. Then he can sign his papers and get on the next plane out of here. This farce has gone on long enough. If the "reset" turns out to be just more of the same posturing I will be extremely disappointed. If Gillis trades down and potentially misses out on a top end talent which this team sorely lacks in the prospect deparment. We have Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Frank Corrado and Jordan Schroeder but none of those prospects really have top line ceiling at this point.


Three first rounders(one first rounder for Ballard/Grabner 1st rounder /CoHo 1st rounder) and eight other draft picks traded away by Gillis under his tenure.

He just can't wait to give away the Canucks first round pick and trade down.

Never mind he already gave away the Canucks second pick or the #54 spot- for a couple weeks work from Roy Baby!

Nothing like emulating the Detroit model and building from within.

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