Amish Rake Fighter Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Starting on the 4th line or wing makes no sense. He's a centre, we drafted him because he's a 200 foot centre. Moving him back to centre after wing makes no sense either, I doubt he's better at wing. If you want him to get ready for the NHL pace starting at wing makes no different because it's easier defensively than centre and when he goes back to centre playing wing would be a big waste of time. Kesler started out on Linden's wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 This year when I watched him, he made mistakes but more often than not he was in position. He was on his man, he backchecked and skated down to the defensive zone when he had to. If you don't believe me talk to these scouting reports: http://www.defendingbigd.com/2013/6/10/4405022/max-domi-scouting-report-2013-nhl-draft-profile http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/22/max-domi-2013-nhl-draft-player-profile-13/ya thats great. This year when I watched him I seen a child consistently thrown tantrums that cost his team bugs games because of his lack of discipline. I also noticed that he was completely useless when he isn't scoring. All fine amd dandy when he is scoring though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 ya thats great. This year when I watched him I seen a child consistently thrown tantrums that cost his team bugs games because of his lack of discipline. I also noticed that he was completely useless when he isn't scoring. All fine amd dandy when he is scoring though. Domi is inconsistent but he has the ability to play all aspects of the offensive game. He can be a different type of player every shift but just needs to try and put it altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 In the NHL? He'll get opportunities on the PP probably when injuries come to the more skilled players but I can't see him becoming a regular top 6 forward in the regular season. If he's good enough for the 3rd line centre spot than put him there but don't start him on the 4th line playing like a usual 4th liner. Give him hard times to play, start him in the defensive zone and netural zones often and let's see where he is at. Nonetheless, a 3rd liner is a fail pick for a top 10 pick. He'll be on the 3rd line spot because he isn't good enough offensively to be top 6. Still developing though. I like your vision of where you want to see Horvat. However, I think it damages your ego as a Canucks fan when you imagine Horvat never amounting to anything more than a 3rd line centre. That's a seductive mentality you need to stay away from when it comes to actually needing to face reality. It doesn't matter where Horvat was drafted. At all. What's actually important is making sure that a prospect develops the proper way and not throwing him into a situation he's uncomfortable in. The luxury with this Canucks team is that we already have enough depth on offence that is perfectly capable of playing PP/PK minutes, and especially bottom-6 forward minutes. We're not like Calgary or Edmonton. We don't have to force our kids into roles. Even better, while we have prospects like Gaunce and Horvat who are basically NHL ready, we have veterans who will force them to challenge for spots. I don't think there's a better way to develop your propsects into NHL pros than that. If Horvat and/or Gaunce outplays our veterans, they'll make the team. Benning stated that if they're ready, he'll have no problem making room for them. But if they're not ready, at least they'll have tried their hardest to compete for a spot, and for the next season, they'll know what they have to do better the next time around. It's a win-win situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I like your vision of where you want to see Horvat. However, I think it damages your ego as a Canucks fan when you imagine Horvat never amounting to anything more than a 3rd line centre. That's a seductive mentality you need to stay away from when it comes to actually needing to face reality. It doesn't matter where Horvat was drafted. At all. What's actually important is making sure that a prospect develops the proper way and not throwing him into a situation he's uncomfortable in. The luxury with this Canucks team is that we already have enough depth on offence that is perfectly capable of playing PP/PK minutes, and especially bottom-6 forward minutes. We're not like Calgary or Edmonton. We don't have to force our kids into roles. Even better, while we have prospects like Gaunce and Horvat who are basically NHL ready, we have veterans who will force them to challenge for spots. I don't think there's a better way to develop your propsects into NHL pros than that. If Horvat and/or Gaunce outplays our veterans, they'll make the team. Benning stated that if they're ready, he'll have no problem making room for them. But if they're not ready, at least they'll have tried their hardest to compete for a spot, and for the next season, they'll know what they have to do better the next time around. It's a win-win situation. I mean't to say if he doesn't become more than 3rd liner then it's a fail pick. Otherwise I agree with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) @Plum Ahhhh gotcha! If there are people who think Brassard is a disappointment, then those same people would label Horvat as a bust if he became a full time 3rd line centre. Even I find that foolish though... I honestly wouldn't complain if he became an outstanding 3rd line shutdown centre. However, I honestly think he'll end up playing a role similar to that of O'Reilly in COL. Edited July 29, 2014 by Herberts Vasiljevs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube` Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Lol ok my turn I could see it shaking out to something like this if Horvat makes the team. D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Vrbata Matthias - Bonino - Burrows Higgins - Vey - Kassian Richardson <-> Horvat - Hansen Sestito, Dorsett Richardson and Horvat can alternate as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Lol ok my turn I could see it shaking out to something like this if Horvat makes the team. D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Vrbata Matthias - Bonino - Burrows Higgins - Vey - Kassian Richardson <-> Horvat - Hansen Sestito, Dorsett Richardson and Horvat can alternate as needed. Horvat will NOT be stuck on the 4th line. Its 3rd line or nothing pretty much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube` Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Horvat will NOT be stuck on the 4th line. Its 3rd line or nothing pretty much The days of the "4th line" are over my friend, more and more teams are running all there lines and in the West it's the only way to survive. Also no one is really "stuck" on a line they will play there way up or down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The days of the "4th line" are over my friend, more and more teams are running all there lines and in the West it's the only way to survive. Also no one is really "stuck" on a line they will play there way up or down. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 The days of the "4th line" are over my friend, more and more teams are running all there lines and in the West it's the only way to survive. Also no one is really "stuck" on a line they will play there way up or down. So true. Horvat may start out on the fourth line, but he's such a versatile player he can be used throughout the lineup. That's why we drafted him. The guy can help teams win in many different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Lol ok my turn I could see it shaking out to something like this if Horvat makes the team. D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Vrbata Matthias - Bonino - Burrows Higgins - Vey - Kassian Richardson <-> Horvat - Hansen Sestito, Dorsett Richardson and Horvat can alternate as needed. I feel like using Matthias on the 2nd over Kassian is not maximizing your assets to their fullest capabilities. Matthias hasn't shown much to land himself a role in the top-6 while Kassian has. I'd move Matthias down to centre the 3rd, move Vey to the 3L-RW (where the 2 can alternate faceoffs), move Burrows to LW, and move Kassian up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Horvat will NOT be stuck on the 4th line. Its 3rd line or nothing pretty much The days of the "4th line" are over my friend, more and more teams are running all there lines and in the West it's the only way to survive. Also no one is really "stuck" on a line they will play there way up or down. Pretty much this^^ Our fourth line, especially this year is quite likely to be more of a 3B line IMO. The difference in minutes will be small. Assuming he makes it, he's also likely get some PK and 2nd PP time to boost his minutes. He'll likely play a good, solid 10-12 minutes a game where he can learn NHL level pace. As injuries occur, those minutes will likely also go up. And all this silly talk about not playing him on the wing... why not? There's less defensive responsibility and hence it's less likely that any rookie mistakes end up costing the team. He'd still take the occasional draws and he wouldn't remotely be the first C to develop on the wing. It's actually a VERY common development route. It also in no way locks him in at wing. As he learns to play at this level and injuries occur, he'll get more and more opportunity at C. It's called development. I'll say it again. Horvat can take any of 4 spots on the team 3rd or 4th line C or LW. He really only needs to match or outplay Sestito to get a spot IMO. If he outplays any of the other guys it's gravy. Sedin, Sedin, Vrbata Burrows, Bonino, Kassian Higgins, Matthias, Vey Horvat, Richardson, Hansen Things get even better if Jensen shows he can make the team too. Edited July 29, 2014 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I've seen lineups looking like: ________, McCann, Horvat, Gaunce. Horvat as the 3C, not that's not right. Horvat should become a 2nd line player, management shouldn't have a goal of Horvat to become a 3C nor should any other fan IMO. He's a top 10 pick! Starting on the 4th line or wing makes no sense. He's a centre, we drafted him because he's a 200 foot centre. Moving him back to centre after wing makes no sense either, I doubt he's better at wing. If you want him to get ready for the NHL pace starting at wing makes no different because it's easier defensively than centre and when he goes back to centre playing wing would be a big waste of time. Domi isn't one dimensional, he isn't great defensively but he does well enough. Also plays for Dale Hunter, have to play defence. Rychel scored more points than Horvat, he's better than Horvat at that too. I don't think that is right. 2nd line centre are my expectations and it seems right for a top 10 pick regardless of who comes into our team. but when you are building a lineup of prospects, you can't have 2-3 people playing the same position when they are all projected to be a top 6 center. because Horvat is the better 2 way player people put him at the third line, which usually goes against other team's top line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 @mattsekeres Keeping Bo Horvat until December and then loaning him out to Canada's world junior team "always an option" according to Linden. #Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Sure sounds like they want/are planning on having him on the team. Now he just needs to show up ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Well, I don't think that's an all-but-guarantee for him to make it, but rather Linden discussing the possibility of letting him go to the World Juniors if he does make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Didn't say that he's guaranteed anything. I think they're high on him, have seen how much he's improved, know how much the team could use him and have penciled him on to the lineup with an eraser at the ready should he have a bad camp/preseason. I really feel like he's going to have a fair bit of rope though. And again, he only needs to beat out Sestito... Edited July 29, 2014 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Horvat may start out on the fourth line, but he's such a versatile player he can be used throughout the lineup. That's why we drafted him. The guy can help teams win in many different ways. Which is why the "speculation" put out by some media meatheads claiming Benning offered up Horvat as part of a package for the #1 pick was bunk. As Benning has said, some are good players and some are players you win with. The latter are in greater demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zduck14 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I really like Horvat's chances of making the team this year. The number one reason for this is Coach Desjardins' comments last week on the team 1040. He said "If it's a tie, then for sure you go with the young guy. That just makes sense because you want to develop and you want to get them in there" and at this point in Horvat's young career I can't see him not beating out Sestito or Dorsett. I could even see him beating out Richardson and Vey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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