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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:44 PM

I said to more than a few people fairly clearly that this would be settled in 2-3 years after the trade. We are not even 1 full season in.

Hodgson will indeed go forward and make us all very VERY sad he was traded, more so than Schneider. The kid has skill and he warrants $4-$5 million end of story.

Something tells me that if the internet was around in the late 80's we would have been hailing the coming of Barry Pederson and saying how Cam Neely was a whining bum not worth the money and wouldn't amount to anything.


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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:47 PM

Im with you on this MikeBurn
I swear people are still in denial here and bashing cody seems to be their defense mechanism they have chosen to deal with it lol. The kid has been praised at every level on his character. It sucks losing him but it's time to move on. He's a talented kid, and the sooner you guys let go the better cause he's only gonna get better.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 10:54 PM

Im with you on this MikeBurn
I swear people are still in denial here and bashing cody seems to be their defense mechanism they have chosen to deal with it lol. The kid has been praised at every level on his character. It sucks losing him but it's time to move on. He's a talented kid, and the sooner you guys let go the better cause he's only gonna get better.


The majority of sane fans who support the team and not just individual players came to this conclusion awhile ago.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:16 AM

He was a prima donna, his dad was a politician and rubbed off on his son, wasn't a team player, he isn't on the team anymore...


why do people still bring him up here?!!

I guess some things will never change. This fan base doesn't deserve to win a cup, and that's perfect, because we won't!!
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:20 AM

Wouldn't be surprised if he wants 4-5m a year lmao
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:49 AM

The frustrating part of all of this is that the Canucks just traded Cory Schneider for a kid that has virtually the same pedigree as Cody Hodgson. Everything they are saying about Horvat was said about Hodgson. Even the stuff about being a two way player. It makes me shake my head that this team had Cody Hodgson and Cory Schneider and now they have Zack Kassian and Bo Horvat. I have nothing against those two players at all. I think Horvat is awesome but all these supposed "deals" to get younger and build the depth were done with the best assets the team had.

It is OK to move players but is the team really better with the players acquired from these two players?

It still boggles my mind that two players developed in Vancouver who are on the verge of becoming stars were moved out for younger players with potential. How is that improvement?
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:16 AM

He was a prima donna, his dad was a politician and rubbed off on his son, wasn't a team player, he isn't on the team anymore...

why do people still bring him up here?!!

I guess some things will never change. This fan base doesn't deserve to win a cup, and that's perfect, because we won't!!


Huh? Where do you get this stuff from, Gillis? The same Gillis who wasn't straight up about Naslund (not even a token offer after his last game), tried to shunt fault onto Morrison for wanting more than the Canucks offered after his tryout (when really there wasn't an any offer), played games at the expense of Malholtra's career (two years after he was injured, magically deciding the guy was a risk to himself, and now leaving Malholtra to look for a new team), and now rather than manning-up, instead blames his lack of a "crystal ball" for entirely screwing with Lu and Cory - THAT Gillis?

Do you realize that no one other than the Canucks management, notably Gillis in his post Hodgson trade commentary, has questioned Hodgson's character throughout his development? Do you realize that if he was such an ego-driven punk before the trade, he'd have only been worse after getting what he wanted, and yet Buffalo's coaching staff and linemates also have reported nothing but glowing commentary about the kid?

While Gillis, who has made it a habit of throwing players under the bus rather than man-up to his own errors, infers that Hodgson has a character problem and even admits to having deliberately tried to scam other GM's by making the kid look better than he is, and YOU actually believe him???

How many times, in how many ways, does Gillis have to break his commitments (ie: to players who sign contracts in good faith only to be suddenly traded away ala Cory) or play word games to infer, but not altogether say, blatant lies (ie: Morrison wasn't signed because he wanted too much), before certain average joes around here realize that it's way more likely that Gillis is the prima donna character problem than a kid like Hodgson ever was?

The only facts we actually know about Hodgson is that everyone throughout his career, from trainers to coaches, praise the kid's character, work ethic and talents, except the Canucks mgmt who had a very vested interest in making the kid look bad - a mask to hide their own poor management of an asset the team coulda used.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

Huh? Where do you get this stuff from, Gillis? The same Gillis who wasn't straight up about Naslund (not even a token offer after his last game), tried to shunt fault onto Morrison for wanting more than the Canucks offered after his tryout (when really there wasn't an any offer), played games at the expense of Malholtra's career (two years after he was injured, magically deciding the guy was a risk to himself, and now leaving Malholtra to look for a new team), and now rather than manning-up, instead blames his lack of a "crystal ball" for entirely screwing with Lu and Cory - THAT Gillis?

Do you realize that no one other than the Canucks management, notably Gillis in his post Hodgson trade commentary, has questioned Hodgson's character throughout his development? Do you realize that if he was such an ego-driven punk before the trade, he'd have only been worse after getting what he wanted, and yet Buffalo's coaching staff and linemates also have reported nothing but glowing commentary about the kid?

While Gillis, who has made it a habit of throwing players under the bus rather than man-up to his own errors, infers that Hodgson has a character problem and even admits to having deliberately tried to scam other GM's by making the kid look better than he is, and YOU actually believe him???

How many times, in how many ways, does Gillis have to break his commitments (ie: to players who sign contracts in good faith only to be suddenly traded away ala Cory) or play word games to infer, but not altogether say, blatant lies (ie: Morrison wasn't signed because he wanted too much), before certain average joes around here realize that it's way more likely that Gillis is the prima donna character problem than a kid like Hodgson ever was?

The only facts we actually know about Hodgson is that everyone throughout his career, from trainers to coaches, praise the kid's character, work ethic and talents, except the Canucks mgmt who had a very vested interest in making the kid look bad - a mask to hide their own poor management of an asset the team coulda used.


Hodgson wanted more ice time, and he likely asked for a trade. This is a team where several players gave up millions and playing time to help build a winner.This is a team with players like Alex Burrows, Jannik Hansen, and Chris Tanev..... players who were never drafted and had to earn everything the hard way. Corey Schneider patiently earned his starts, after years in the minors... never complaining, and always putting the team ahead of his interests. For a kid to come along, and demand ice time away from a Hart trophy winner, and a selke winner speaks volumes to your character.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

The frustrating part of all of this is that the Canucks just traded Cory Schneider for a kid that has virtually the same pedigree as Cody Hodgson. Everything they are saying about Horvat was said about Hodgson. Even the stuff about being a two way player. It makes me shake my head that this team had Cody Hodgson and Cory Schneider and now they have Zack Kassian and Bo Horvat. I have nothing against those two players at all. I think Horvat is awesome but all these supposed "deals" to get younger and build the depth were done with the best assets the team had.

It is OK to move players but is the team really better with the players acquired from these two players?

It still boggles my mind that two players developed in Vancouver who are on the verge of becoming stars were moved out for younger players with potential. How is that improvement?


If you think Horvat and Kassian have a game even remotely resembling Hodgson, you need to stop watching hockey.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:38 PM

Hodgson wanted more ice time, and he likely asked for a trade. This is a team where several players gave up millions and playing time to help build a winner.This is a team with players like Alex Burrows, Jannik Hansen, and Chris Tanev..... players who were never drafted and had to earn everything the hard way. Corey Schneider patiently earned his starts, after years in the minors... never complaining, and always putting the team ahead of his interests. For a kid to come along, and demand ice time away from a Hart trophy winner, and a selke winner speaks volumes to your character.


All that stuff you just said is pure conjecture. "Likely" asked for a trade.. "Demanded" ice time.. You quoted a well thought out post and then just made crap up to dispute it. Sad.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:55 PM

Cody's departure has been well-documented and discussed.

What's new is his upcoming contract.

Just read he wants 5yrs, $5mil per. Um, can anyone say, 'cap casualty?' He likely would've been gone this summer, whether or not we wanted him gone or not.

The bottom line issue has always been we have Sedin and Kesler already, and both are better players than Cody for the time being. If we wanted to be pro-active, i guess we could've turfed Sedin or Kesler to make room, but how do you justify such a move if you're a 'contender?'
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:02 PM

Cody's departure has been well-documented and discussed.

What's new is his upcoming contract.

Just read he wants 5yrs, $5mil per. Um, can anyone say, 'cap casualty?' He likely would've been gone this summer, whether or not we wanted him gone or not.

The bottom line issue has always been we have Sedin and Kesler already, and both are better players than Cody for the time being. If we wanted to be pro-active, i guess we could've turfed Sedin or Kesler to make room, but how do you justify such a move if you're a 'contender?'


You sure about that?

If kassian scores the way we want you better believe he'll be asking for the same $$
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:13 PM

^ This.

And wow, just incredible how some people seem to have wholesale bought into Gillis' promotional stories and decided this kid "demanded Sedin minutes" and "whined", etc. And sentiments about Hodgson's character that no one throughout the kid's career has ever even implied except for Canucks mgmt - when attempting to rationalize their poor mgmt decisions. Smart man, Gillis, gotta give him credit for how he's entirely played the sheep.

Fortunately the non-sheep, the average joe who thinks for himself, can see the pattern here...

Hodgson - Has only ever received praise from his coaches, trainers and managers throughout his development (and really, if the kid had "demanded" minutes or a trade, then you'd expect he'd arrive in Buffalo on even more of a punk ego trip, but instead all the accounts from Sabres management and veteran linemates heap further praise for Hodgson's character and talents...). The ONLY blemish against this kid's character is the IMPLIED accusations delivered by Canucks mgmt, most notably Gillis who even went as far as to suggest they'd scammed Buffalo into believing the kid was better than he is...

Canucks Mgmt - In addition to throwing Hodgson under the bus (and driving over him a few times), also managed to screw around others, such as -

- Naslund, not even offering a token contract after his last game, while Gillis later implied to the media that they just couldn't come to terms

- Morrison, after his tryout, again implying to the media that he wasn't signed only because Morrison wanted too much (except that unlike Hodgson who had to keep his mouth shut, Morrison was near the end of his career and actually challenged Gillis' version - clarifying that he'd hadn't refused anything, didn't want too much and in fact the Canucks hadn't even made an offer!)

- Malholtra, wow, just wow how his guy was handled... Great how Gillis tried to pass off the forced retirement as him being a "good guy" (rather than admitting it was a cap ploy), but facts are easy - Malholtra was not suddenly a "risk" to himself 2 years after the injury, Canucks mgmt needed the cap space though so tried to play it up, and now Malholtra is trying to find another team to play out his career with.

- The Lu/Cory mess.... what a mess, and straight at the feet of Gillis/AV. From implying just enough to the media to fuel rumours that a deal couldn't come together last summer because Luongo wanted only specific team(s), to the constant flipflopping and empty rationalizations for their own failures... Oh, claims Gilils now it's the "changed landscape" that did this, lack of a "crystal ball", yadda. yadda... Yep, sure, it's only because Gillis doesn't have a crystal ball that he couldn't at least be bothered giving either goalie the decency of a heads-up on what was unfolding.

- others? Linden forced into retirement? Ohlund walking without an offer (or rights at least traded for a pick)? Grabner?

Yep, the pattern is easy if one actually looks at how mgmt has "managed" this team's assets in recent years - Where Hodgson's only character blemish comes from his dealings with the Canucks and what has been implied/inferred against him by management, Canucks management has a lengthy list of players they've bus tossed and played head games with. So, best guess is that Hodgson doesn't deserve the insults any more than Naslund, Morrison, Ohlund, Malholtra, Lu, Cory, etc...

Well said. I think this is a pretty accurate assessment.
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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

You sure about that?

If kassian scores the way we want you better believe he'll be asking for the same $$

One's a league mvp and the other a 40-goal selke winner. The other guy is a stumpleg chimp with daddy issues.

Pretty sure, sport.

If Kassian scores enough to be worth $5mil per this upcoming season, that'll be the shock of all shocks. But the caps going up by then, so... Bring it on.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:38 PM

Cody's departure has been well-documented and discussed.

What's new is his upcoming contract.

Just read he wants 5yrs, $5mil per. Um, can anyone say, 'cap casualty?' He likely would've been gone this summer, whether or not we wanted him gone or not.

The bottom line issue has always been we have Sedin and Kesler already, and both are better players than Cody for the time being. If we wanted to be pro-active, i guess we could've turfed Sedin or Kesler to make room, but how do you justify such a move if you're a 'contender?'


Should the scenario played out how he is a PPG player on the Canucks and with the team unable to re-sign him.... he would have worth more than just a prospect when traded.

MG would have (should have) gotten Kassian + more. Instead we only got Kassian who may or may not be a regular NHLer.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

Should the scenario played out how he is a PPG player on the Canucks and with the team unable to re-sign him.... he would have worth more than just a prospect when traded.

MG would have (should have) gotten Kassian + more. Instead we only got Kassian who may or may not be a regular NHLer.


May not be a regular NHLer? I'd say that he is already a regular NHLer. He may never be an all star but he's already an elite 4th liner.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

^ This.

And wow, just incredible how some people seem to have wholesale bought into Gillis' promotional stories and decided this kid "demanded Sedin minutes" and "whined", etc. And sentiments about Hodgson's character that no one throughout the kid's career has ever even implied except for Canucks mgmt - when attempting to rationalize their poor mgmt decisions. Smart man, Gillis, gotta give him credit for how he's entirely played the sheep.

Fortunately the non-sheep, the average joe who thinks for himself, can see the pattern here...

Hodgson - Has only ever received praise from his coaches, trainers and managers throughout his development (and really, if the kid had "demanded" minutes or a trade, then you'd expect he'd arrive in Buffalo on even more of a punk ego trip, but instead all the accounts from Sabres management and veteran linemates heap further praise for Hodgson's character and talents...). The ONLY blemish against this kid's character is the IMPLIED accusations delivered by Canucks mgmt, most notably Gillis who even went as far as to suggest they'd scammed Buffalo into believing the kid was better than he is...

Canucks Mgmt - In addition to throwing Hodgson under the bus (and driving over him a few times), also managed to screw around others, such as -

- Naslund, not even offering a token contract after his last game, while Gillis later implied to the media that they just couldn't come to terms

- Morrison, after his tryout, again implying to the media that he wasn't signed only because Morrison wanted too much (except that unlike Hodgson who had to keep his mouth shut, Morrison was near the end of his career and actually challenged Gillis' version - clarifying that he'd hadn't refused anything, didn't want too much and in fact the Canucks hadn't even made an offer!)

- Malholtra, wow, just wow how his guy was handled... Great how Gillis tried to pass off the forced retirement as him being a "good guy" (rather than admitting it was a cap ploy), but facts are easy - Malholtra was not suddenly a "risk" to himself 2 years after the injury, Canucks mgmt needed the cap space though so tried to play it up, and now Malholtra is trying to find another team to play out his career with.

- The Lu/Cory mess.... what a mess, and straight at the feet of Gillis/AV. From implying just enough to the media to fuel rumours that a deal couldn't come together last summer because Luongo wanted only specific team(s), to the constant flipflopping and empty rationalizations for their own failures... Oh, claims Gilils now it's the "changed landscape" that did this, lack of a "crystal ball", yadda. yadda... Yep, sure, it's only because Gillis doesn't have a crystal ball that he couldn't at least be bothered giving either goalie the decency of a heads-up on what was unfolding.

- others? Linden forced into retirement? Ohlund walking without an offer (or rights at least traded for a pick)? Grabner?

Yep, the pattern is easy if one actually looks at how mgmt has "managed" this team's assets in recent years - Where Hodgson's only character blemish comes from his dealings with the Canucks and what has been implied/inferred against him by management, Canucks management has a lengthy list of players they've bus tossed and played head games with. So, best guess is that Hodgson doesn't deserve the insults any more than Naslund, Morrison, Ohlund, Malholtra, Lu, Cory, etc...


This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this board!

And now if you listen very closely rumours are starting to come out about Schneider. I wonder how long before the sheep start to turn against him. Someone will probably post some fancy stats or something about how he was sheltered and really isn't as good as we think he is.

I have watched Cody Hodgson play a lot of live hockey over the years and the kid has lots of positive attributes. In junior he played hurt his last year after the Canucks did him over with the whole back injury fiasco. He has worked himself into a very solid NHLer and I think that's awesome. Why be against him? Gillis is the one who hasn't acted like a grown up in the aftermath of the trade. Cody Hodgson, even though lots on here want to believe otherwise, has acted like a true professional in all of this and I'm sure he will continue to do so. Gillis can question his character all he likes but the reality is Cody has shown way more grace than Mr. Gillis has.

And it still irks me that the biggest hole the Canucks need to fill was his. It stinks that they are weak up the middle with a real good player gone for a winger who may be great but he's not there yet. There are some real prospects at C now but that isn't immediate relief and I wouldn't be surprised if they slide Guance to the wing anyway. I think he's going to be more suited to that position anyway.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

I can't believe people are still trying to deny that Cody didn't want to be here just to fuel there anti-Gillis agenda.

If he didn't want out of Vancouver, he would still be here, now lets just move on.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 03 July 2013 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:00 PM

The frustrating part of all of this is that the Canucks just traded Cory Schneider for a kid that has virtually the same pedigree as Cody Hodgson. Everything they are saying about Horvat was said about Hodgson. Even the stuff about being a two way player. It makes me shake my head that this team had Cody Hodgson and Cory Schneider and now they have Zack Kassian and Bo Horvat. I have nothing against those two players at all. I think Horvat is awesome but all these supposed "deals" to get younger and build the depth were done with the best assets the team had.

It is OK to move players but is the team really better with the players acquired from these two players?

It still boggles my mind that two players developed in Vancouver who are on the verge of becoming stars were moved out for younger players with potential. How is that improvement?


Its really not that simple, you have to consider the circumstance.

In Cody's case he flat out didn't want to be here, nothing we could do about that, we wanted him to be here and become a great young player for us, but he wanted to go a different direction in his career.

In Cory's case, as it has been well documented, no one would take Luongo's contract after the league penalized teams for doing something perfectly legal in the last CBA. And since our ownership won't/wouldn't buy out Luongo, we were forced to deal Schneider.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

Good chance he matches the Sedins for points next year, probably will have more goals than any Canuck. He's gonna be around for a long time as a constant reminder of what we gave up. ****************
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:14 PM

Should the scenario played out how he is a PPG player on the Canucks and with the team unable to re-sign him.... he would have worth more than just a prospect when traded.

MG would have (should have) gotten Kassian + more. Instead we only got Kassian who may or may not be a regular NHLer.

We also 'should' have stayed healthy in the 2011 playoffs and 'should' have won the cup.

My shoulds > Your shoulds.

Doesn't really change what actually happened.

But your view on Kassian is false.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:34 PM

I can't believe people are still trying to deny that Cody didn't want to be here just to fuel there anti-Gillis agenda.

If he didn't want out of Vancouver, he would still here, now lets just move on.


Ikr? But it is summer so it's not surprising most of this rhetoric comes from people I haven't seen post before late June.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:01 PM

This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this board!

And now if you listen very closely rumours are starting to come out about Schneider. I wonder how long before the sheep start to turn against him. Someone will probably post some fancy stats or something about how he was sheltered and really isn't as good as we think he is.

I have watched Cody Hodgson play a lot of live hockey over the years and the kid has lots of positive attributes. In junior he played hurt his last year after the Canucks did him over with the whole back injury fiasco. He has worked himself into a very solid NHLer and I think that's awesome. Why be against him? Gillis is the one who hasn't acted like a grown up in the aftermath of the trade. Cody Hodgson, even though lots on here want to believe otherwise, has acted like a true professional in all of this and I'm sure he will continue to do so. Gillis can question his character all he likes but the reality is Cody has shown way more grace than Mr. Gillis has.

And it still irks me that the biggest hole the Canucks need to fill was his. It stinks that they are weak up the middle with a real good player gone for a winger who may be great but he's not there yet. There are some real prospects at C now but that isn't immediate relief and I wouldn't be surprised if they slide Guance to the wing anyway. I think he's going to be more suited to that position anyway.


Re: rumours about Cory, lol!! We were on the way to golf this afternoon when CKNW ran quotes from the guy (didn't catch his name) claiming to be close to Gillis, claiming to know from a high end source that Cory actually ASKED for a trade, and so claiming the Gillis deserved a pass on the Cory trade. The CKNW hosts went on to say that Gillis and Cory's agent have been 10)% denied the "rumour", but man, it's still somehow out there - and by a self-proclaimed best buddy of Gillis himself. This smacks of Gillis playing more games to deflect the reproaches he's getting for trading away Cory for a 9th pick guy who might one day amount to something.

Re: biggest hole being the one Hodgson was removed from on the 3rd, you got that straight! It haunted the Canucks enough that apparently AV had no choice but to over play a seriously injured Kesler for the balance of that season, apparently risk Malholtra hurting himself until into this last season, and still haunted them enough to give up picks for the rental Roy. Mgmt easily coulda kept its Hodgson asset, eased up overplaying the injured Kesler and Malholtra, and maybe never been in the position to even contemplate renting Roy against future depth/picks.

From the outside here it just seems a total mismanagement of assets by mgmt, which then throws each individual player under the bus rather than man up to the truth (aka: Gillis is not God's gift to hockey).
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:06 PM

I can't believe people are still trying to deny that Cody didn't want to be here just to fuel there anti-Gillis agenda.

If he didn't want out of Vancouver, he would still be here, now lets just move on.


We've already had a pretty lengthy back 'n forth, Smashian, but I see you've reverted to the same old rhetoric that lacks any substantive evidence - and wholesale ignores common sense. Shame.

With this year's Malholtra and Lou/Cory fiascos, I'd expect you of all posters to finally see Gillis for what he is - a guy prone to making up stories, implying and inferring, to deflect fault onto the players for his own poor asset management.

Oh well.
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#85 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:19 PM

We've already had a pretty lengthy back 'n forth, Smashian, but I see you've reverted to the same old rhetoric that lacks any substantive evidence - and wholesale ignores common sense. Shame.

With this year's Malholtra and Lou/Cory fiascos, I'd expect you of all posters to finally see Gillis for what he is - a guy prone to making up stories, implying and inferring, to deflect fault onto the players for his own poor asset management.

Oh well.


Really its your theory that lacks common sense, without going into detail and a huge debate like last time.

Lets break this down. Gillis best interest is making this team better, and improving this hockey team. We can all see at the time of the deal that Hodgson was the better player with the same high upside, not to mention it was a player that he chose himself & really liked. We saw all through the struggles with the injury how Gillis back Hodgson, and how he didn't give up on Hodgson.

Now finally after all the wait, the loyalty from MG finally paid off as Hodgson is finally here contributing, and having a good year, the team is benefiting from having him on the team, & he is benefitting (or so we thought) from being on the team.

An now suddenly out of nowhere after everything that had transpired, Gillis just decides to trade him? For no reason?

I'm not buying it, this was a Gillis guy, he was a Gillis pick. If MG had his choice he would have held onto Hodgson.

I just don't see where you disconnect from this. I just see you making up theories to again, like I said in the post you replied to, further your Anti-Gillis agenda.

And btw, Cory Schneider was traded cause of Ownership, not because MG just woke up one day and decided to trade him, like you think he did with Cody.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:24 PM

Easily, he would have won the Calder had we kept him, playing 4-5 minutes less than any other rookie with comparable points on a 3rd line role.

Where the others were all playing top line minutes with PP time.

He will indeed get north of $4.5 million because he really is a good player no matter what we think of him. My gripe is the return, Gillis could have should have pried a pick as well.

agreed
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:47 PM

Really its your theory that lacks common sense, without going into detail and a huge debate like last time.

Lets break this down. Gillis best interest is making this team better, and improving this hockey team. We can all see at the time of the deal that Hodgson was the better player with the same high upside, not to mention it was a player that he chose himself & really liked. We saw all through the struggles with the injury how Gillis back Hodgson, and how he didn't give up on Hodgson.

Now finally after all the wait, the loyalty from MG finally paid off as Hodgson is finally here contributing, and having a good year, the team is benefiting from having him on the team, & he is benefitting (or so we thought) from being on the team.

An now suddenly out of nowhere after everything that had transpired, Gillis just decides to trade him? For no reason?

I'm not buying it, this was a Gillis guy, he was a Gillis pick. If MG had his choice he would have held onto Hodgson.

I just don't see where you disconnect from this. I just see you making up theories to again, like I said in the post you replied to, further your Anti-Gillis agenda.

And btw, Cory Schneider was traded cause of Ownership, not because MG just woke up one day and decided to trade him, like you think he did with Cody.


I'm really just not into a total rehash with you Smashian. Been there, done it, ran through all the stats line by line, all the quotes line by line, and if you're truly suddenly back into imagining that Gillis didn't throw Hodgson under a bus just like he has so many other players, well... you're just blind I guess. Gilils got bad press/attention for the Hodgson trade, so he inferred and implied character problems against the kid to deflect the negative attention. Unprofessional and classless, sure, but human enough too, and so easily "seen" if one cares to do more than just follow the sheep herd. Gillis played you (and others), and you just can't see it, shame.

But the quote of yours I've bolded/underlined is particularly telling... "if Gillis had his choice..."??? lol. The kid demanded a trade, wanted out, yadda yadda, and so The Man Gillis had no choice - but he's somehow a good GM who can adequately manage the team's assets????

You give the kid Hodgson way too much credit for having way too much control over Canucks mgmt - and Gillis way too little credit for his own decisions (and mistakes).
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:31 AM

I'm not interested in a huge debate either, but I will go through some points of your post that I found interesting.

I'm really just not into a total rehash with you Smashian. Been there, done it, ran through all the stats line by line, all the quotes line by line, and if you're truly suddenly back into imagining that Gillis didn't throw Hodgson under a bus just like he has so many other players, well... you're just blind I guess. Gilils got bad press/attention for the Hodgson trade, so he inferred and implied character problems against the kid to deflect the negative attention. Unprofessional and classless, sure, but human enough too, and so easily "seen" if one cares to do more than just follow the sheep herd. Gillis played you (and others), and you just can't see it, shame.



See again this is your theory, your theory is that Gillis just made this move and there were no behind the scenes issues, but that just makes no sense, its not logical when you consider the history of Gillis and Hodgson and what Gillis best interest is as general manager of this club.

It really goes against the logic of the situation and Gillis's role as I have said.

If even lets say there were issues and Gillis came out and said this like he did, big deal. He's coming out and telling the truth, to explain what happened, he didn't come out and name any specifics, didn't even say point blank that Cody requested a trade, and didn't go into detail. And considering he only ever went into the subject that deep once (and it wasn't even that deep) he handled it for the most part in a pretty respectful manner as far as telling the truth to the media and fans, the fans who deserve to know what is going on I might add.

And people get called out all the time in this league way worse than that, Cody can suck it up, he has like the good kid he has, its really just Anti-Gillis guys like you that continue to dwell on it.

But the quote of yours I've bolded/underlined is particularly telling... "if Gillis had his choice..."??? lol. The kid demanded a trade, wanted out, yadda yadda, and so The Man Gillis had no choice - but he's somehow a good GM who can adequately manage the team's assets????

You give the kid Hodgson way too much credit for having way too much control over Canucks mgmt - and Gillis way too little credit for his own decisions (and mistakes).


It seems like you think Gillis did a bad thing with the trade (putting the Cody part aside for a moment)

The bottom line is, Potential and value aren't equal, players who are great players now are more valuable then young players with the potential to be great players.

What I am saying is, Gillis couldn't have gotten a 1st liner for Hodgson, or anything outstanding if we wanted a now asset, like someone in there prime.

Instead Gillis targeted a young asset for young asset deal, as we know he had a number of players he wanted and one of them came available it was obvious Zack.

I think this was actually a smart idea either way, as we heard Nonis say in regards to Luongo, you trade young assets for other young assets. And in the cap world thats even more paramount to have cost controlled players contributing, thats why I believe it was smart of Gillis to acquire another young player that was at a similar stage in there development. Even more so when you consider our cap situation.
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 03:34 AM

We also 'should' have stayed healthy in the 2011 playoffs and 'should' have won the cup.

My shoulds > Your shoulds.

Doesn't really change what actually happened.


But your view on Kassian is false.


WTF are you even talking about?

Hodgson was a sure thing whereas Kassian may or may not be a sure thing. So it's obvious that Cody has higher value, meaning MG should have gotten way more in return. I don't know how anyone could be arguing against that point.

May not be a regular NHLer? I'd say that he is already a regular NHLer. He may never be an all star but he's already an elite 4th liner.


So you like trading away a top-6 player for a grinder?
I'm guessing you also think that Pittsburgh won the Naslund - Stojanov trade, right?
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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:55 AM

WTF are you even talking about?

Hodgson was a sure thing whereas Kassian may or may not be a sure thing. So it's obvious that Cody has higher value, meaning MG should have gotten way more in return. I don't know how anyone could be arguing against that point.



So you like trading away a top-6 player for a grinder?
I'm guessing you also think that Pittsburgh won the Naslund - Stojanov trade, right?


I don't think Hodgson was what he is today when we traded him.
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