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#1 GM Fantasy Guru

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

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Santorelli
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Are you freaking kidding me????????????????????
Just what the hell does Mike Gillis think he is doing with this team? At the end of the season media BS session, he procaimed that the Canucks had to get a whole lot bigger, stronger, etc. Well, would you believe that every UFA free agent that he has signed is not even 200 pounds?

The owner will finally realize that this rookie GM has to be fired when there are empty seats this coming season. We will not make the playoffs and obviously the Bobby Lou situation is going to turn into a complete disaster.

And what to make of the Shneider trade? Although Horvat appears to be a really good young player, how does help this team now and more specifically the 33 year old twins? Gillis has made some terrible blunders, horrendous trades and it is obvious that he has dug himself into a big hole. I have had enough of this clown and I can't wait until we get a new GM.

Gillis best quality has been to re-sign the players that Burke and Gillis brought in. He got them to sign "hometown discounts" and now the fact we have so many players signed to no trade contracts, it is absolutely killing this hockey team. I am sorry, but, I am tired of hearing about sleep doctors, yoga training, etc. I want only the best for this hockey team and it is very obvious that Mike Gillis has to go.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:05 AM

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:06 AM

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:07 AM

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Spinning your wheels in the mud complaining about depth signings, bud.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:13 AM

Spinning your wheels in the mud complaining about depth signings, bud.


Are they "depth" signing if they are your only signings?
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:14 AM

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Are they "depth" signing if they are your only signings?


Yes. They're signings for the purpose of improving your depth. They will be depth players. They are depth signings
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

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Horvat
Guance
Kassian
& a healthy Booth

say otherwise
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

Were some of you brain trusts expecting some top 6 signings?
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:19 AM

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retard


:shock: That's a strong word
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:19 AM

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No retard, I am complaining about our effing GM who is completely incompetent.

What moves do you suggest?
NO CAP SPACE!!!
Increased roles for Schroeder, Kassian, Jensen, Lack, Corrado and possibly Gaunce or Horvat are the answer to your questions.
Next time do some research before spouting off negativity and back it up with substance to start an actual debate/discussion.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:20 AM

And we need skill more than strength
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:21 AM

What moves do you suggest?
NO CAP SPACE!!!
Increased roles for Schroeder, Kassian, Jensen, Lack, Corrado and possibly Gaunce or Horvat are the answer to your questions.
Next time do some research before spouting off negativity and back it up with substance to start an actual debate/discussion.


Yeah, fans like these call other people names but they're actually the ones who should be called those names
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:22 AM

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Yeah, fans like these call other people names but they're actually the ones who should be called those names

Nobody should be called the name he used.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:23 AM

You guys have to get used to the idea that Gillis is lying through his teeth every time he speaks. He has screwed this team up and it will be at least two years before it recovers so don't get your hopes up.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:24 AM

Gaunce, Lack, Horvat and Jensen are simply not ready for the NHL. And Lack was injured all last season and is completely unproven.
We will see what happens this year, but, if we miss the playoffs and Gillis is fired, just remember who told you so.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:30 AM

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Gaunce, Lack, Horvat and Jensen are simply not ready for the NHL. And Lack was injured all last season and is completely unproven.
We will see what happens this year, but, if we miss the playoffs and Gillis is fired, just remember who told you so.

With all due respect at what point in time will they ever be ready then? We just tossed a coach who refused to play our young talent. I forgot players like Gretzky Roy Brodeur and Lemiuex all came into the league with 10 years of pro experience.

These kids have played hockey their whole lives. Jensen Gaunce and Schroeder are all ready as is Tanev and Corrado.

There was no money to sign anyone huge and really, you wanted Gillis to get in on the stupid overpayments everyone else jumped into? Boyd Gordon at $3 million a year? Clarkson for almost $5.5 million a year for 7 years...really?

Stop the doom and gloom crap. The top 6 is fine if motivated which is why we have a new coach who can not only motivate but also groom youngsters as he's successfully done his whole career, we have a solid assistant in Gulutzan as well with new ideas.

Our prospect pool is finally deeper and more respect worthy than it's been since about 2003/2004, our core players are still in their prime and now we have an angry 3 time vezina nominated goalie wanting to prove something.

Want a free agent for millions....sign one yourself because we now finally have a 4th line worth the name
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:41 AM

and what is the fourth line worth the name???????????
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:44 AM

Gaunce, Lack, Horvat and Jensen are simply not ready for the NHL. And Lack was injured all last season and is completely unproven.
We will see what happens this year, but, if we miss the playoffs and Gillis is fired, just remember who told you so.


You have no clue about hockey. Gaunce is most definately ready to make the step. Along with Jensen. Horvat probably not but with his skill he's got a shot. All of your posts are awful, lack intelligence, and just plain negative.I like many other nucks fans wanted to see more done by Gillis this offseason. However, the summer just started and hopefully more moves will occur as it progresses....just going off about how bad everything is every fricken day without a clue is a waste of time.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:50 AM

and what is the fourth line worth the name???????????

You're really asking that question? After the names you literally just posted?

You have no right debating hockey....
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CIaude Giroux Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:15 PM


He's out for 6 months (which will hinder his development) and he really needs that development. There's already worries that he won't translate to the NHL and he'll end up a huge ass bust.

 

 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:57 AM

Typical teen who wants everything, rightaway, at all cost, no matter how.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:58 AM

Are they "depth" signing if they are your only signings?


Yes depth does not depend on how many other signings you make in the first 6 days....
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I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me.I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.”

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:02 AM

GMMG isn't done until the puck drops to start the season.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:04 AM

Well the OP does have a point, MG rarely does what he says. We aren't any bigger, tougher, younger or have more bite. MG is all talk, a desperate GM trying not to get fired.

Hopefully Torts can make us play the way MG said because he's dropped the ball yet again.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:07 AM

Well the OP does have a point, MG rarely does what he says. We aren't any bigger, tougher, younger or have more bite. MG is all talk, a desperate GM trying not to get fired.

Hopefully Torts can make us play the way MG said because he's dropped the ball yet again.


With what money can he manage to do that?
That's the whole point not many understand!
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:10 AM

No retard, I am complaining about our effing GM who is completely incompetent.


with anger like that you won't last long on here..... hold the frustration in and think positive...
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:11 AM

With what money can he manage to do that?
That's the whole point not many understand!



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:12 AM

Hear about the baker that fell in the pasty bowl? he was retarted.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:14 AM

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With all due respect at what point in time will they ever be ready then? We just tossed a coach who refused to play our young talent. I forgot players like Gretzky Roy Brodeur and Lemiuex all came into the league with 10 years of pro experience.

These kids have played hockey their whole lives. Jensen Gaunce and Schroeder are all ready as is Tanev and Corrado.

There was no money to sign anyone huge and really, you wanted Gillis to get in on the stupid overpayments everyone else jumped into? Boyd Gordon at $3 million a year? Clarkson for almost $5.5 million a year for 7 years...really?

Stop the doom and gloom crap. The top 6 is fine if motivated which is why we have a new coach who can not only motivate but also groom youngsters as he's successfully done his whole career, we have a solid assistant in Gulutzan as well with new ideas.

Our prospect pool is finally deeper and more respect worthy than it's been since about 2003/2004, our core players are still in their prime and now we have an angry 3 time vezina nominated goalie wanting to prove something.

Want a free agent for millions....sign one yourself because we now finally have a 4th line worth the name


Agree.

Wish this doom and gloom crap would stop. Cap came down, we have a good team, new coach. People in FA got way overpaid and aren't that great of players. Only interesting move this off season is Bobby Ryan and surprise surprise they moved him to another conference...

Schneider trade was a good return.

This article explains it well

"When Cory Schneider was traded on Saturday, many Canucks fans were shocked at the return. “A first rounder? That’s it? Not even a free t-shirt?? At least give us a t-shirt!” was the general consensus at the time. In fact, a while back Jason Botchford captured a clip on the news after the Leafs playoff loss this year that could just as easily have been Canucks fans reaction to the Schneider deal:

http://www.tout.com/...3w?ref=twas78dn

“After all of that, really bro? Come on!” indeed. The idea that a potential franchise goalie was traded for only a first rounder has left many fans questioning Mike Gillis, not only for his entire handling of the Luongo/Schneider dynamic, but of how he could fetch a return that didn’t even include the nominal 2nd or 3rd rounder all deals speculated about on the internet always throw in. You know the one, the “Canucks should trade Edler for Shea Weber….ok, Edler and a 3rd rounder for Weber, let’s make it fair.”

One also has to think if the Canucks only got a first rounder for the younger, cheaper Cory Schneider, it explains why there was little to no traction on getting any return on Roberto Luongo at all. His horrifying contract and his age probably ensured that not many teams were willing to offer up much of anything, even for a goalie with such a proven track record like Roberto Luongo. Of course, the question remains then, did Mike Gillis royally screw this up, or were fans expectations simply too high to begin with? The astute readers out there will notice the title of this story and will realize I am about to argue that goalies simply have no value on the trade market, so let’s take a journey through history as we try and see how much blame we can put at Gillis’ feet for this situation.



Ah, back when he wasn’t funny on Twitter.

Roberto Luongo

Hey, remember that guy? He was also involved in a deal where everyone thought the team getting him ripped off the team trading him away. Back when Luongo was a Panther and Mike Keenan was still somehow employed, they came to a contractual impasse. As a result, Luongo was sent packing to Vancouver to see if he could supplant Dan Cloutier as the number one goalie. Hahahah, I just had a good laugh there. Anyways, Luongo was dealt to Vancouver but many people thought Florida got ripped off. The deal?

To Vancouver:

Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek, and a 6th rounder (Sergei Shirokov)

To Florida

Todd “Broken Back, broken heart” Bertuzzi, Bryan “Fall down stairs” Allen, and Alex “Ed Belfour is going to punch me isn’t he?” Auld.

Now remember, Todd Bertuzzi had the baggage of the Steve Moore incident hanging over his head, and he most likely wanted out of Vancouver, or at the very least, Vancouver wanted him out. The fact they were able to turn the leagues most hated man at the time, into one of the top young goalies in the game, was shocking to everyone. This trade was attacked by everyone and was viewed as one of the greatest rip offs of all time. “How could you trade franchise goalie Luongo for Bertuzzi??” was a common refrain heard around the world.

No offense to Krajicek of course. He had one and a half glorious seasons in Vancouver….



Patrick Roy calling a field goal for the Alouettes?

The Trade: Patrick Roy traded from Montreal

This is probably the most high profile goalie trade in modern hockey history. Everyone knows the story, but for the few people who don’t remember, Patrick Roy, after winning two Cups in Montreal, was having himself a bit of a bad game on December 2nd, 1995. The game was not going his way, as Patrick Roy allowed 9 goals through almost two periods, leading to the famous picture of Roy raising his arms in response to the home crowd jeering him for making an easy save. Once Roy was finally, mercifully pulled from the game, he walked by team president Ronald Corey on the bench and told him “it’s my last game in Montreal.”

As a result, Montreal had a very angry Patrick Roy on their hands. Well, he was always angry, but this time he was SUPER angry, and was demanding a trade. Now remember, this was a bizarre time in the world, one in which things got done right away in hockey, so Montreal traded Roy only four days later instead of waiting two years, which is probably confusing to many Canucks fans. What did the Canadiens get for their franchise goalie, who had won them two Cups?

To Montreal:

Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Rucinsky, and Andrei Kovalenko

To Colorado

Patrick Roy

Mike Keane (then captain of the Habs)

In hindsight, it is easy to tear this trade apart. Trading your captain and your top goalie for Jocelyn “He’s french so he must be like Patrick Roy” Thibault, Martin “Mr. Perimeter” Rucinsky, and Andrei “Not quite like Kovalev” Kovalenko.

It was also easy to tear this apart when it was made. It was not a good deal. It was an awful deal. Terrible. Putrid. Patrick went on to continue his hall of fame career and Mike Keane continued to add to his Stanley Cup tattoo collection. Thibault I think might have appeared on a box of Wheaties by accident, Rucinsky enjoyed several first round losses, and Kovalenko joined the group of Russian athletes who got to use “AK 47″ as a nickname.



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Jaroslav “Suck it, Ovi” Halak trade

Remember that run Halak had in the playoffs where he booted Carey Price to the curb and put the Habs on his shoulders and put on a goalie performance for the ages? That should have a great return, as Halak and Price, both good young goalies, had shown both were ready to step up and take over the reigns of a club as the number one goalie, right? What did the Habs get for Halak?

To St. Louis

Jaroslav Halak

To Montreal

Lars Ellers (13th overall) and Ian Schultz

Again, this falls nicely in the “trade your mid 20′s goalie for a top 15 pick” that seems to happen with many goalies, so Gillis might not have been that far off in his return. The only thing Gillis keeps missing is that vaunted 2nd or 3rd rounder throw in.



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Dom Hasek traded to Wings

There was no better goalie in the 90′s then Dominik Hasek. He was, and remains to this day, the best goalie I have ever seen play the game.

That being said, when he was traded in 2001 to the Red Wings (admittedly he was in his mid 30′s at this point), the return was underwhelming.

To Detroit

Dominik Hasek

To Buffalo

Vyacheslav Kozlov, a first round pick, and future considerations (widely rumored to be a really good back rub)

Kozlov played 38 games for the Sabres. That first rounder? It was Detroit’s, which meant it ended up being #30, basically a glorified 2nd round draft pick. That ended up being Jim Slater, who went on to play in the NHL, but as a 4th liner. I assume the future considerations of the back rub might sway some people into thinking this was a good deal, but again, at the end of the day, the Enron Goaltender market strikes again.



Here’s Kari just remembering he forgot to set his PVR. We’ve all been there, bud.

Kari “The Next Big Thing” Lehtonen trade

If you didn’t hear about how Kari was the best goalie not playing in the NHL for several years, then you were not a hockey fan back in 2002. Hearing about how he was the next Hasek was par for the course (winning wise, not style wise) and everyone expected great things from him. Alas, he was stuck on the Thrashers, who did not expect great things from anything, so he lost. He lost a lot. Still, he had that aura of “untapped potential” surrounding him, which meant his trade value should still have been good, right? He was traded to Dallas for:

To Atlanapeg

Ivan Vishneskiy (don’t worry, you don’t have to pretend to know who he is) and a 4th round pick (Ivan Telegin, don’t worry, you don’t need to pretend to know who he is either)

To Dallas

Kari Lehtonen

Injuries and inconsistency played a large part in devaluing Lehtonen before the trade, but even the untapped potential of a superstar goalie in the making wasn’t enough to fetch much of a return.



Not pictured here is the fear Vokoun lives with every day that Keith Ballard is going to come back and finish the job he started one day.

Tomas Vokoun deal

This is where Canucks fans can finally have a bit of leverage when asking why Gillis didn’t get enough value for Cory Schneider. Thomas Vokoun, the well established number one goalie in Nashville, had enjoyed multiple years playing great hockey for the Preds. He was clearly a top notch goalie at the time, but Nashville had a guy by the name of Pekka Rinne waiting in the wings (Again, unlike Vancouver they chose not to wait 2 years while two top goalies played an awkward game of “duck duck duck goose”), so they chose to deal him in 2007.

To Florida

Tomas Vokoun

To Nashville

1st rounder (9th overall Josh Bailey, which ended up going to the Islanders), 2nd rounder pick (Nick Spaling, 58th overall) and 2nd round pick next year (Aaron Ness, 40th overall)

The differences between the Schneider trade and the Vokoun trade are that Vokoun was a well established number one goalie, and that the salary cap situation in the league wasn’t heading downwards. This is also why Luongo probably didn’t fetch the same kind of return, as he was older, and he has that contract of death.

Still, even though draft picks are always a gamble (except Shinkaruk and Horvat, right? RIGHT??) at least Nashville got three rolls of the dice for their top goalie.



His eyes always creep me out.

Semyon “Yarlamov” Varlamov trade

In a rare case of people actually thinking a team overpaid for a goalie, Varlamov managed to get a return that people looked favorably upon.

To Colorado

Semyon Varlamov

To Washington

1st round pick (11th overall, Filip Forsberg) and a 2nd round pick (Which ended up going to Boston in a key party-esque situation of multiple trading, which ended up being Mike Winther, who seems doomed to end up being an undersized AHL star)

This is a nice example where people can point out that a goalie with less on his resume then Schneider fetched a bigger return then what Mike Gillis got. So in this case, feel free to celebrate and spit at Mike Gillis.



Drunk on life. That’s all. I assume he was doing the “WAAZZZZZZUUUP” thing here.

Ed “Punchie McGee” Belfour” trade

Remember good old Ed? If you don’t, he’s that guy who probably offered you a billion dollars not to take him to jail. Yeah, that guy. Aside from all the drinking, he was actually a very good goalie. In fact, he was a top flight goalie for the Hawks for many years. So what did a top goalie for the Hawks net Chicago in return at the age of 32?

To San Jose

Ed Belfour, a bucket full of rage

To Chicago

Ulf Dahlen, Michael Sykora, Chis Terreri, and a conditional 2nd rounder

Dahlen was a decent, if not injury prone winger, who only played 30 games for Chicago before running to the SEL. Chris Terreri was Martin Brodeur’s caddy, and only played 2 seasons in Chicago before figuring out a way to get back to New Jersey several years later. And Michael Sykora was a 6th round draft pick who ended up playing a couple of seasons in Chicago before going back to the Czech Republic.

So top goalie Ed Belfour, who lost his job to Jeff “Vertigo” Hackett ended up returning a career backup, a d-man on an expiring contract, and a random late round draft pick. Not quite the haul you would expect for a top goalie.



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Mike Vernon Trade

Mike Vernon, after having been the top goalie for the Flames for 10 years, was chased out of his nets by Trevor Kidd (Vancouver fans can be encouraged by the disturbing trend of top flight goalies being replaced by the likes of Kidd and Hackett), and was dealt to the Red Wings. What did they get?

To Calgary

Mike Vernon

To Detroit

Steve Chiasson

Chiasson, whose career numbers were inflated by his time in Detroit, had several season of average hockey in Calgary before moving on. Still, at the time Calgary added a PP QB d-man for their top goalie, which must have been ok at the time, but in hindsight, wasn’t that great of a return.



Look at that pout! Someone’s been practicing for the cover of Tiger Beat magazine

Jonathan Bernier trade

This one lines up really well with Schneider being traded, so what did Bernier (he has the same pedigree as Schneider, but with a less impressive resume) get in return?

To Toronto

Jonathan Bernier

To LA

Matt Frattin (4th rounder), Ben Scrivens (back up goalie), and a 2nd rounder

Again, Schneider has proven more at the NHL level, but it’s another case of a goalie with lots of potential not netting a very impressive return. No offense to the Frattin family, who I am sure are huge readers of this blog.

That is just a sample of the types of returns that top goalies have historically gotten in the modern NHL. Did Gillis drop the ball? Well, the Luongo situation was handled terribly no matter how you look at it. Whether you blame Luongo’s initial contract (did the owners insist upon it? Or was it all Gillis) or if you blame Gillis for overplaying his hand by holding out on dealing Luongo or Schneider last year when their value might have been higher, it’s hard to say overall that Gillis dropped the Schneider trade. The only thing Gillis seems to be missing from his deal is again, the infamous 2nd or 3rd round draft pick throw in, which is always a gamble at the best of times. Still, draft picks have value, so you can take Gillis to task for not at least getting those draft picks to take a roll of the dice on. You can also very much blame Gillis for the way this situation played out by taking so long to deal Luongo or Schneider, which leaves many a question on how much damage has been done to the relationship between Vancouver and Roberto. But strictly on value wise, it’s not actually a huge loss in my humble opinion.

The trend you can see throughout history, though, is that teams just don’t place a ton of value on established goalies, or younger goalies, and the return doesn’t end up being something that was often viewed as a huge win for the team trading the goalie. To come full circle here, goalies often end up being the Enron of the NHL in terms of value: Perceived to be very high by the fans of the team trading the goalie, but in the end, they find out the return isn’t as much as expected. Could Schneider have gotten a bigger return if he had been dealt this year or last, when he was putting up top numbers? Probably. I just don’t know how much more of a return it could have been.

Of course, if Luongo holds out or doesn’t report to camp, well, that’s when it’s safe to break out the pitchforks and run at Gillis. But that would never happen, right?

Right?"
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:20 AM

With what money can he manage to do that?
That's the whole point not many understand!


You're trying to tell me there isn't a defenseman under a million bigger or grittier than Yannick Weber? Considering we let Alberts walk.

Is Richardson at 1.15 million grittier and bigger than Lapierre?


I don't hate the signings but I'm just saying MG is all talk, he rarely does what he says, I don't trust his word; people are just gullible.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:31 AM

retarded people should be called retarded


Why? If we as a society keep making these comments for no more then a pithy insult or to hide the fact we hate our own lack of intellectual capacity. Then society in general will suffer.

"The Power of a Label: Mental Illness Diagnoses, ascribed humanity, and social rejection

The stigma associated with a mental illness label can have devastating social consequences. Individuals bearing such labels experience devaluation and rejection in their communities, effects that exceed those attributable to the symptoms of the mental disorder itself (Link, Struening, Rahav, Phelan, & Nuttbrock, 1997). The stigma associated with a mental illness label may also discourage seeking help when it is needed most. Although 28 percent of the U.S. adults have a diagnosable mental health condition, only 8 percent of people actually seek treatment (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1999). Furthermore, in those relatively rare instances in which treatment is sought, experiencing the stigma associated with being labeled mentally ill can lead to premature treatment termination (Sirey et al., 2001), delaying or impeding the recovery from
a mental disorder.
People with mental illness labels belong to an extremely devalued social category. For example, Americans report more comfort with individuals who are deaf or have facial disfigurement than people with mental disorders (Hinshaw, 2007)."


Martinez A, Piff P, Mendoza-Denton R, Hinshaw S. The Power of a Label: Mental Illness Diagnoses, Ascribed Humanity, and Social Rejection. Journal Of Social & Clinical Psychology [serial online]. January 2011;30(1):1-23. Available from: Academic Search Complete, Ipswich, MA. Accessed July 11, 2013


In no way do i expect people of the CDC to change their ways from this little excerpt.
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“Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities.

So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,”

I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me.I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.”

Ricky Gervais





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