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#61 trek

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:55 PM

Please start somewhere, I don't see where it's full of fail


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:13 PM

i often see cyclists on the roads trying to be like cars, but they rarely follow all the same rules....they will blow stop signs and red lights, and fail to signal when turning or changing lanes....yet they want the same respect as a vehicle.
ive always thought they should need to take a license to be on the road with cars.
............now, there is a petition i will gladly sign if someone is so inclined.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:54 AM

When I was in Japan, lots of people are on bikes. The major differences are that there are designated biking lanes on the sidewalks and that cyclist knows how to get the **** out of the way of cars.

Here, I noticed that many cyclist tempt fate or "dare" drivers. To me, that's just idiocy.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:09 AM

I think the problem is that we have these "dedicated bike lanes" on the wrong roads. Ever been to a country where cycling is used by tons of people like India or China? Not many people wear helmets. Bicycles aren't licensed. The problem has nothing to do with helmets or licensing. The problem is there should be dedicated roads for bikes. Not these half lanes for cyclists that nobody uses.
Either make it illegal to ride on multilane streets or make dedicated streets strictly for bike lanes.


Having everything licensed doesn't fix any of the problems associated with bicycles and cars competing for space on the road...
All it does is discourage cycling.. which means more cars on the road.. which in the end.. means more complaints by drivers, which means build more multilane roads... rinse and repeat.


Clearly you don't understand how dangerous it is to ride a bike in the big Asian cities.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:10 AM

i often see cyclists on the roads trying to be like cars, but they rarely follow all the same rules....they will blow stop signs and red lights, and fail to signal when turning or changing lanes....yet they want the same respect as a vehicle.
ive always thought they should need to take a license to be on the road with cars.
............now, there is a petition i will gladly sign if someone is so inclined.


Car drivers do the exact same thing. Stupid is across the board. You can't regulate out stupid. As I've already pointed out, licensing does not work. See the earlier link--a number of cities in North America have tried it and it failed.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:24 AM

To drive a car you must:

1. Be over 16 years of age.
2. Pass an eye exam.
3. Pass a written exam on the rules of the road.
4. Demonstrate your understanding of the rules of the road in the presence of a driving instructor.
5. Pass other medical exams if you are a senior.
6. Purchase insurance.
7. Purchase your driver's license.
8. Purchase your license plate.
9. Pay taxes for road maintenance.
10. Not be over an established intoxication limit.

To ride a bicycle you must:
*crickets chirping*

I believe that covers all of the rules that are enforced regularly. I find any argument or initiative to makes things easier for cyclists to be ridiculous. You want to cycle around, go mountain biking, need to get from point A to B, take transit or walk, need exercise, go to the gym, want to help the environment, don't have children. There is simply no legitimate need for cycling to the point where we need to re-think our entire city and drop other priorities to do so.


Ok. I'll bite.

First off, do you not agree there should be stricter licensing for operating a car than bike anyway? You're operating a one ton plus piece of metal at high speeds, you are way more dangerous and lethal than a bike. You have to take even more lessons and tests to fly a plane for the same reasons, it's much more complicated and potentially more deadly, just as a car is versus a bike.

6, 7 & 8 are basically the same thing. 9 applies to all home owners whether you bike, walk, drive, bus or work from home.

To ride a bike you must abide by the rules and laws found here: http://www.bclaws.ca...8_05#section183

and a simpler version here: http://www.bikesense...Sense-Nov05.pdf

But all of that doesn't matter, my main point about your post failing is your last paragraph. That you find making cylcing easier ridiculous. A healthy sustainable city, that is equitable, efficient and sustainable as multiple modes of transportation. Putting all your eggs in any one basket is foolish. We are not 're-thinking' our entire City. This is a bs argument used by people scared of change. The vast and overwhelming majority of the City is dedicated to road space for vehicles. I'm guessing, but I would say 1% of the city is dedicating to cycling lanes. I'm probably being generous. If more people bike, there's more space for those who can't/won't to take transit, drive, or however they have to get around. Getting from point a to point b is often fastest on a bike, so if you're trying to move people efficiently, why would you force them to do something less efficient? The fact that you don't think cycling is a legitimate way to get around is just bizarre.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:16 AM

Ok. I'll bite.

First off, do you not agree there should be stricter licensing for operating a car than bike anyway? You're operating a one ton plus piece of metal at high speeds, you are way more dangerous and lethal than a bike. You have to take even more lessons and tests to fly a plane for the same reasons, it's much more complicated and potentially more deadly, just as a car is versus a bike.


False, you can get your pilot license before your drivers
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:24 AM

False, you can get your pilot license before your drivers


I didn't say anything about time. It takes much longer to get your pilot's license than your drivers license. That's the point you fool.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:42 AM

My problem with certain cyclists is that they're unpredictable. One moment they're part of the road traffic, and in the next minute, if it suits their needs, they'll merge with the pedestrian traffic. Some of them also seem to view themselves as kings of the roads - as in, they'll obey traffic laws as far as they can throw a transit bus with one arm.

Traffic lights? Never heard of them! Right-of-way? Me first! Signaling? Aren't you psychic?! Helmets so that I don't die if an accident happens? Who cares, I want to feel cool! Me first, me first!!!!!!!! Who cares about the rest of you drivers & pedestrians!!!! I'm cutting down emissions so I can do anything I want!!!

I know a lot of cyclists personally, and most of them obey the laws of the road and are courteous to other cyclists and drivers. They wear helmets on the busy road and treat themselves as vehicles and also with respect. I have zero problem with these guys and hope that there are more of them, not just to make my life eaiser, but to cut down emissions, also. Then there are the lowlifes that I run into (figuratively) from time to time. Sigh...

And I have a HUGE problem with those select cyclists that blame the cars on the road. Yes, there are idiot drivers, but there are also idiot cyclists.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

On a recent drive (approx. 20 mins) I saw:

Drivers speeding 20+ over the speed limit, driver(s) talking on cell phone
Cyclists wearing no helmet, riding on the wrong side of the road, riding on the sidewalk, or all of them
A mother with children in tow j-walking across the street

What does this illustrate? There are a LOT of people who do not care enough or do not know enough to follow the rules of the road. It all ends up with good drivers like myself (no at-fault accident, not speeding tickets for 10+ years) paying higher insurance premiums to pay for the idiots that populate our roads. It's not until you are in a serious accicdent where someones life was at stake that you are thankful that you followed the rules of the road.

I had a cyclist cut across the road in front of me when I was garduating highschool. I wasn't speeding and was paying attention. I tried to stop, but I still hit the cyclist. It was a 7 year old kid who ended up in the hospital even though a helmet was worn. If I had been speeding or not paying attention, death would have been the likely outcome. What really irritates me are people who behave like the examples I gave. Someones gonna die because of those behavours, and GOOD people end up paying.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:29 PM

On a recent drive (approx. 20 mins) I saw:

Drivers speeding 20+ over the speed limit, driver(s) talking on cell phone
Cyclists wearing no helmet, riding on the wrong side of the road, riding on the sidewalk, or all of them
A mother with children in tow j-walking across the street

What does this illustrate? There are a LOT of people who do not care enough or do not know enough to follow the rules of the road. It all ends up with good drivers like myself (no at-fault accident, not speeding tickets for 10+ years) paying higher insurance premiums to pay for the idiots that populate our roads. It's not until you are in a serious accicdent where someones life was at stake that you are thankful that you followed the rules of the road.

I had a cyclist cut across the road in front of me when I was garduating highschool. I wasn't speeding and was paying attention. I tried to stop, but I still hit the cyclist. It was a 7 year old kid who ended up in the hospital even though a helmet was worn. If I had been speeding or not paying attention, death would have been the likely outcome. What really irritates me are people who behave like the examples I gave. Someones gonna die because of those behavours, and GOOD people end up paying.

I agree! Though I do believe that bikes should be required to be insured on the road just like every motor vehicle.

If someone shows they can't be responsible either driving or cycling they shouldn't be allowed to.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

I agree! Though I do believe that bikes should be required to be insured on the road just like every motor vehicle.

If someone shows they can't be responsible either driving or cycling they shouldn't be allowed to.


Again, see my post earlier. It doesn't work. A number of cities in Canada and the US tried it.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:50 PM

No seatbelt = $167 fine (http://www.icbc.com/...fenceswithfines)
No helmet = $29 fine (http://www.theprovin...5699/story.html)

Equal? I don't think so.


Speed of a car 50-120km/h
Speed of bike. 5-10km/h
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:50 PM

The cyclists that wear spandex are morons.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:05 PM

Speed of a car 50-120km/h
Speed of bike. 5-10km/h


Speed of a bike when colliding with a car: 50-120km/h

Would a helmet work in 120kph speed? Probably not; that's pretty damaging stuff. At 50kph? More likely the cyclist will suffer less injuries than if there were no protective equipment.

Edited by Common sense, 16 July 2013 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:14 PM

you guys are intense. a lot of drivers and cyclists are morons. ???? whiners, all of you!
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:17 PM

Still no discussion taking into consideration the bixi system. How would insurance/licensing be tackled when the bixi bikes (or vixi, whatever) are installed? To obtain a licence, I'm guessing most people would be in favor of there being a road test? Or are we talking something like fishing licences where you just buy one, but it can be tied to your driver's licence or passport (for tourists?) so that if they need to fine you or suspend your licence they can?
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:26 PM

Still no discussion taking into consideration the bixi system. How would insurance/licensing be tackled when the bixi bikes (or vixi, whatever) are installed? To obtain a licence, I'm guessing most people would be in favor of there being a road test? Or are we talking something like fishing licences where you just buy one, but it can be tied to your driver's licence or passport (for tourists?) so that if they need to fine you or suspend your licence they can?


Just another reason why they don't work. Bike sharing will be really hard to make work in BC because of the helmet law.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:49 PM

Speed of a bike when colliding with a car: 50-120km/h

Would a helmet work in 120kph speed? Probably not; that's pretty damaging stuff. At 50kph? More likely the cyclist will suffer less injuries than if there were no protective equipment.

The helmet would help a bit but not much. I never understand why cyclists can't just stay at the side of the road or on a side walk. I have to slow down or go around and they always act like I did some unthinkable evil in passing them. All cyclist should just be happy I'm not running them over when they cut me off.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

The helmet would help a bit but not much. I never understand why cyclists can't just stay at the side of the road or on a side walk. I have to slow down or go around and they always act like I did some unthinkable evil in passing them. All cyclist should just be happy I'm not running them over when they cut me off.


See people, drivers are just as stupid as cyclists. They don't know the rules of the roads. LOL

Edited by inane, 16 July 2013 - 02:53 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

I, like many drivers who commute regularly, also shake my head at least once a day at an insane cyclist.

BUT.....

It is a law in Canada that ALL Canadians have access and use of ANY non private road. Since there is currently laws regulating motorized vehicles to the extreme, and hardly enforced (when is the last time you heard about someone receiving a ticket for not signalling properly?) cyclists are one of the last groups of people who are using our roadways without being unfairly and heavily regulated.

It is strange but when reading the Charter of rights and freedoms (1982)
http://laws-lois.jus...st/page-15.html

and the Canadian Bill of Rights (1960)
http://laws-lois.jus...page-1.html#h-1

It would seem that requiring motor vehicles to have registration and requiring minimum speeds and tolls to use some of these roads, as well as requiring licenses to use the roads is actually in violation of our constitution.

So as frustrating as some of the cyclists can be, it is their right to do so, and I for one am all about people embracing their rights and freedoms in this great country. So I am standing behind the bikers on this one, throw any ideas of increased regulation out the window.
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

Change in topic. Anyone else hate when cops do speed checks on Nordel way at the bottom of the hill right before the ramp to the highway? They're always there and I can't understand why they can't just leave the area alone, they cause traffic and make my travel 5-10 mins longer
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

I, like many drivers who commute regularly, also shake my head at least once a day at an insane cyclist.

BUT.....

It is a law in Canada that ALL Canadians have access and use of ANY non private road. Since there is currently laws regulating motorized vehicles to the extreme, and hardly enforced (when is the last time you heard about someone receiving a ticket for not signalling properly?) cyclists are one of the last groups of people who are using our roadways without being unfairly and heavily regulated.

It is strange but when reading the Charter of rights and freedoms (1982)
http://laws-lois.jus...st/page-15.html

and the Canadian Bill of Rights (1960)
http://laws-lois.jus...page-1.html#h-1

It would seem that requiring motor vehicles to have registration and requiring minimum speeds and tolls to use some of these roads, as well as requiring licenses to use the roads is actually in violation of our constitution.

So as frustrating as some of the cyclists can be, it is their right to do so, and I for one am all about people embracing their rights and freedoms in this great country. So I am standing behind the bikers on this one, throw any ideas of increased regulation out the window.


I don't mind cyclist it's just they like to cut people off and get mad at people in cars and are putting themselves and drivers in danger. They should atleast be road tested to see if they're capable of driving safely on the road
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:19 PM

Just another reason why they don't work. Bike sharing will be really hard to make work in BC because of the helmet law.

Ultimately I think the program will fail in Vancouver, but they ARE installing shared helmet vending machines as well...

http://www.vancitybu...nding-machines/


then again: http://www.vancitybu...launch-in-2013/
Spring of 2013 has come and gone and no signs of Bixis

Edited by ckamo, 16 July 2013 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 08:24 PM

just use dam hand signals and im fine almost ran some one over cause they assume , ignorant bastards, check yo dam shoulder!@!!!
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

Ignored your stupidity. My point is this whole discussion is based on the assumption cars have priority or are the main user. That's not true. Your stupid little example of something that's clearly illegal and in no way what I was trying to say was therefore ignored.

The people saying it's dangerous for 14 year olds to bike on streets--it's only dangerous because we let it be dangerous. People rant and rave about stupid cyclist this, and stupid cyclist that. Yes, there are plenty of stupid cyclists, but there are way more stupid drivers and stupid drivers kill. Stupid cyclist may hurt themselves, that's about it (yes, there are extreme examples but that's true the vast majority of the time).


No. You're the one completely ignoring my point.

Using the roads is a privilege, not a right. If you can't or refuse to operate your vehicle in a way that complies with the rules of the road that privilege can and should be revoked.
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Posted 17 July 2013 - 11:35 PM

And as we are debating this, just saw on the news that new bike lanes have been approved for Kits and the BIXIs are rolling out in stages next year.
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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:01 AM

No. You're the one completely ignoring my point.

Using the roads is a privilege, not a right. If you can't or refuse to operate your vehicle in a way that complies with the rules of the road that privilege can and should be revoked.


Then the roads would be empty. Every single driver, cyclist and pedestrian has broken the law at some point.
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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:18 AM

Edit: Toni Zamboni said it best.
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:43 AM

Can you tell me how many km's of the city are dedicated to cyclists, and how many km's are dedicated to cars?

Yeah, that'd be fantastic if you could find that information out.


There is more room for automobiles for a few good reasons:

1.Size. Automobiles are bigger than bikes. They need more room.
2.# of automobiles being used at any given time in the city. Way more than bicycles.
3. Necessity for the city to function (trucks, deliveries, buses, taxis workers etc. etc.) Many people have jobs that require this form of transportation.
4.Distance. Generally speaking, automobiles have to go further than what could be expected from a cyclist. I currently live in Ladner and work downtown. Anyone who expects me to bike to work can get bent. I drive to a skytrain and go from there.

That's just 4 reasons off the top of my head. Arguing about who has more room is just silly.
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