Ronalds Kenins | LW/RW

[Spotted Zebra]

Playing him with the Sedins this preseason was probably the worst thing they could have done for him. 

Changed his game completely and he forgot what got him into the league in the first place. 

[Roflcawptur]

1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:

what I meant to say was that Kenins doesn't seem like he's been given much opportunity with the big club. if that's the case. then I understand why he would want to go back to Europe to play. 

Another note, he actually never played a regular season game under Torts. Last year he was given a pretty good shot, and he proved himself, but then he stopped trying to hit anything that moved and became less effective. I don't blame management for not giving him much of a shot with Grenier and Gaunce as an option. That said, I hope he finds his game somewhere.

[Cowardrobertford]

1 hour ago, Roflcawptur said:

Another note, he actually never played a regular season game under Torts. Last year he was given a pretty good shot, and he proved himself, but then he stopped trying to hit anything that moved and became less effective. I don't blame management for not giving him much of a shot with Grenier and Gaunce as an option. That said, I hope he finds his game somewhere.

In Kenins defense, he was injured near the end of the season trying to maintain the way he played, which is impossible to do

 

I don't buy the crap that Kenins stopped playing hard because he thinks he had taken a roster already

[stonecoldstevebernier]

Just noticed this Latvian article from a few days ago - stating that Swiss club Bern has interest in bringing Kenins back to the Swiss League. It was under the "doubtful rumours" section on eliteprospects though, so take it for what you will. Google translation is pretty rough, basically just says that Bern's GM spoke openly about trying to sign a few Swiss players from the AHL this summer, as well as Kenins since he has ties to Switzerland.

 

http://sportacentrs.com/hokejs/legionari/16042016-sveices_cempione_interesejas_par_latviesu

[Honky Cat]

1 minute ago, stonecoldstevebernier said:

Just noticed this Latvian article from a few days ago - stating that Swiss club Bern has interest in bringing Kenins back to the Swiss League. It was under the "doubtful rumours" section on eliteprospects though, so take it for what you will. Google translation is pretty rough, basically just says that Bern's GM spoke openly about trying to sign a few Swiss players from the AHL this summer, as well as Kenins since he has ties to Switzerland.

 

http://sportacentrs.com/hokejs/legionari/16042016-sveices_cempione_interesejas_par_latviesu

I think that he's kind of done with the Canucks...he made himself a presence in the the 2014-15 season with his physical play...got injured..then started playing a passive game.

[cripplereh]

I agree I loved his play when he first showed up but could be a useful piece at the draft

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

What happened to this guy. He had a great shot, good physical play. But last time I watched him was 2014-2015. 

 

You guys think he will be re-signed? 

[wshdrvvn]

1 hour ago, Ronalds.Kenins41 said:

What happened to this guy. He had a great shot, good physical play. But last time I watched him was 2014-2015. 

 

You guys think he will be re-signed? 

I hope so.  He's fallen a ways down the depth chart now though so he's likely looking for a better opportunity elsewhere.

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

Just now, wshdrvvn said:

I hope so.  He's fallen a ways down the depth chart now though so he's likely looking for a better opportunity elsewhere.

How he was doing so well before. 

[wshdrvvn]

1 minute ago, Ronalds.Kenins41 said:

How he was doing so well before. 

I'd like to know that too.  He stopped playing that wrecking ball style that made him stick in the NHL his first time around.  didn't look like the same player at all this last season.

[guntrix]

I don't think he was given a fair chance. Everytime he was brought up, he played that wrecking ball style hockey that people are referencing here, I don't think he ever had one game where you could say he was a major let down. The guy knew his role and played it well. 

 

It's sad because this guy is the ideal 3rd/4th liner. He's physical and has skill to top it off. I'd rather have this guy (who's cheaper btw) than Dorsett. 

[canuckledraggin]

20 minutes ago, guntrix said:

I don't think he was given a fair chance. Everytime he was brought up, he played that wrecking ball style hockey that people are referencing here, I don't think he ever had one game where you could say he was a major let down. The guy knew his role and played it well. 

 

It's sad because this guy is the ideal 3rd/4th liner. He's physical and has skill to top it off. I'd rather have this guy (who's cheaper btw) than Dorsett. 

His wrecking ball style was his way into the league and it lead to his knee injury vs. the Flames in the playoffs. He never really played the same way after that. Hopefully he gets another shot in the NHL, but I think he likely bounces to the Swiss league again.

[wshdrvvn]

26 minutes ago, guntrix said:

I don't think he was given a fair chance. Everytime he was brought up, he played that wrecking ball style hockey that people are referencing here, I don't think he ever had one game where you could say he was a major let down. The guy knew his role and played it well. 

 

It's sad because this guy is the ideal 3rd/4th liner. He's physical and has skill to top it off. I'd rather have this guy (who's cheaper btw) than Dorsett. 

I'm a fan of the guy but he wasn't the same last year.  the Kenins that bullied Chara and the Bruins did not play for the Canucks last season.

[Fred65]

13 minutes ago, wshdrvvn said:

I'm a fan of the guy but he wasn't the same last year.  the Kenins that bullied Chara and the Bruins did not play for the Canucks last season.

I'm afraid you're correct.  We all loved the Kenins that we first watched, regretfully didn't turn up the following year

[Quantum]

I get the feeling that Kenins will accept a PTO with some team this fall and if he can't earn a contract that way that he'll likely saunter off to Europe on a one year deal (likely back to the Swiss League or maybe the KHL) and try again the following year.

[ShakyWalton]

9 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

It's the Canuck way.  When do our young players ever get a fair chance?  I also thought Kenins looked great for us a few seasons ago, if he doesn't get a fair chance this year I will feel bad for the guy.  This team just doesn't know how to develop players.. All of our young guys are either from a different franchise (Pedan, Tryamkin, Baertschi) Or were put right in straight out of Junior/college (Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, Hutton)  We couldn't develop (Jensen, Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Grenier, Zalewski Kenins?)  The list goes on.  Gaunce might be the first actual prospect in a long time that we have actually drafted and developed through the system to be on this team, but even he is still a question mark.

Everyone praises Coach Green like he is some sort of hero but I would like to see some of his players make an impact in the NHL before we plan the parade.  To be fair, our drafting has been god awful but imo it's more about developing than it is about drafting.  

Tryamkin was our draft pick.

[Odd.]

6 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

It's the Canuck way.  When do our young players ever get a fair chance?  I also thought Kenins looked great for us a few seasons ago, if he doesn't get a fair chance this year I will feel bad for the guy.  This team just doesn't know how to develop players.. All of our young guys are either from a different franchise (Pedan, Tryamkin, Baertschi) Or were put right in straight out of Junior/college (Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, Hutton)  We couldn't develop (Jensen, Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Grenier, Zalewski Kenins?)  The list goes on.  Gaunce might be the first actual prospect in a long time that we have actually drafted and developed through the system to be on this team, but even he is still a question mark.

Everyone praises Coach Green like he is some sort of hero but I would like to see some of his players make an impact in the NHL before we plan the parade.  To be fair, our drafting has been god awful but imo it's more about developing than it is about drafting.  

Unless you're implying Tryamkin's team in the KHL, than no, he did not come from another franchise. We drafted him. Unless it was a mistake on your part. 

 

 

[N4ZZY]

15 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

I'm just saying the young players in our lineup were developed somewhere else. 

I agree to a degree that the Canucks have for the most part in their existence developed poorly and drafted even worse. which is saying something about this organization. but. under Benning's regime and leadership. we've drafted better and we are developing better prospects. you need quality prospects in order to develop them into good NHL players. we hadn't drafted well. to a degree. these players are still developing. they're just developing on the big club now. 

[Odd.]

39 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

I'm just saying the young players in our lineup were developed somewhere else. 

I have to agree and disagree with some of your points. 

 

53 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

It's the Canuck way.  When do our young players ever get a fair chance?  I also thought Kenins looked great for us a few seasons ago, if he doesn't get a fair chance this year I will feel bad for the guy.  This team just doesn't know how to develop players.. All of our young guys are either from a different franchise (Pedan, Tryamkin, Baertschi) Or were put right in straight out of Junior/college (Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, Hutton)  We couldn't develop (Jensen, Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Grenier, Zalewski Kenins?)  The list goes on.  Gaunce might be the first actual prospect in a long time that we have actually drafted and developed through the system to be on this team, but even he is still a question mark.

Everyone praises Coach Green like he is some sort of hero but I would like to see some of his players make an impact in the NHL before we plan the parade.  To be fair, our drafting has been god awful but imo it's more about developing than it is about drafting.  

So first off, I agree that yes some of our prospects have not gotten a fair shot (Grenier, Corrado although he had plenty of opportunities, Kenins, Shinkaruk, Jensen) to name a few. Shinkaruk trade for me was a puzzling and an unnecessary move, but without it, we might have not gotten Gudbranson. We got what we could from Jensen, he didn't pan out, traded his low value for another once high prized prospect in Etem.

 

Kenins did not perform well in training camp, and Corrado was underwhelming. There were guys better than Kenins and Corrado during training camp simply put.

 

If anything, Benning is stocking up our depth and is actually having not just 1-2 guys trying to crack the roster, but at least 6-7 players trying too.. making it a competition which is good for developing our prospects. Make them hungry for that spot.

 

However, what do you mean by "that we have actually drafted and developed through the system to be on this team"? IMO, since Benning came, we've been solid at developing some of our prospects. Horvat had another year of the junior and then developed in the NHL, and I don't see anything wrong. Virtanen, McCann as well. Tryamkin had 3 years in the KHL including this year, is that not developing through the 'system'? 

 

Let's look at the college guys (drafted). Boeser, Demko, Hutton. Hutton had 3 years down in college and was developing there and made the jump to the NHL and now has a spot on the roster. Is that not developing through the 'system'? Boeser is returning for his sophomore year, and could very well possibly turn pro after, and he had a historic freshman season that's overachieved the likes of Parise, Toews, etc? He's developing. Linden said Demko will be the starter for Utica next season. He's finished/developed 2 years in college plus another 2-3 years down the minors unless he surprises heads. 

 

Might point is that right now, majority of our farm team are Gillis picks. Benning's draft picks are yet the next wave of prospects to fill up Utica. Drafting has been quite exceptional too. It's only a matter of time you see Utica filled with good quality prospects. Not that we don't have them right now in our farm team, we do.

 

It asks me the question, how do you interpret developing? What do you mean by system? The old fashioned AHL route? Because imo it doesn't matter where you develop, KHL, AHL, CHL, College, developed from another team, etc, only matters to me is how they're developing or how they've been developed. Obviously, the program also matters, but you get my idea.

 

It's only been 2 years since Benning has been here and most of the prospects he's drafted through then are going to be eligible for Utica this and next season so that's when you'll really be seeing the wave of prospects coming into Utica and that's when you'll probably be seeing the "developing through the system' you speak of which I think you mean by the AHL route. 

 

You'll start seeing the wave of prospects coming into Utica each and every year from now on.

 

 

[canuckledraggin]

20 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

It's the Canuck way.  When do our young players ever get a fair chance?  I also thought Kenins looked great for us a few seasons ago, if he doesn't get a fair chance this year I will feel bad for the guy.  This team just doesn't know how to develop players.. All of our young guys are either from a different franchise (Pedan, Tryamkin, Baertschi) Or were put right in straight out of Junior/college (Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, Hutton)  We couldn't develop (Jensen, Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Grenier, Zalewski Kenins?)  The list goes on.  Gaunce might be the first actual prospect in a long time that we have actually drafted and developed through the system to be on this team, but even he is still a question mark.

Everyone praises Coach Green like he is some sort of hero but I would like to see some of his players make an impact in the NHL before we plan the parade.  To be fair, our drafting has been god awful but imo it's more about developing than it is about drafting.  

This post is all over the place. Yes our drafting has been God awful before Benning. That has forced him to take chances with free agents like Kenins and Zalewski, and take chances with trading away draft picks for more developed prospects to fill those holes. 

 

The players are responsible for their own development and if they can't cut it, they need to be let go. That's not to say that those players will never amount to anything, but from a scouting point of view they were found lacking. 

 

Jensen never accepted that he was going to need to be a bottom 6 guy to break into the NHL... Etem does.

 

Shinkaruk is a gifted goalscorer, but he hasn't been putting the time in the gym to survive in the NHL. His arms are like pencils and he gets clobbered along the boards. Granlund has a stud NHL brother and is close to making his national team at the world championship. He's also Finnish and I truly believe that the Finnish connection was no fluke when considering our place in the draft this year. I may be reaching with this next point, but I think that is the same reason that Benning gave up a 3rd for Pedan. A bi-lingual Russian that is also huge and plays defense, who can relate and interpret for Tryamkin.

 

Benning is playing chess not checkers.

 

Schroeder still has a shot, but he's the same player that Shinkaruk is. McCann will likely prove to be better than these guys, but Guddy is a goon D-man that we had to replace Bieksa with. 

 

Grenier has an outside chance, but he's a perfect 2-way contract guy like all of the signings that were made early in free agency. If it wasn't for that flimsy stick on that breakaway we might be talking about him in a different light, but they haven't given up on him.

 

Zalewski is a dark horse this year. If he makes another step even close to the one that he made last year, he becomes a Hansen, Weise, Burrows type. I really have never seen a player that made a jump like that in 1 season. I'm going to say he becomes a very difficult player to waive next year. The best thing to do with guys like this and Grenier is to waive them early when teams haven't figured out their rosters yet. It's the reason we got Markstrom through in 2014. 

 

Kenins will need to choose between the AHL and NLA I'm guessing. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to Europe unless he sees a fit for a team in the minors.

 

This team is way ahead of where it was 2 years ago when Benning took over.